LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

[JanaDee]

Improvements are in the eye of the beholder. We tried on 2 separate days SLOW SEASON to get add'l fp's. Nothing of any worth of secondary rides available, never mind the major's . By that I mean, no IASW, POTC, HM, PP, or Buzz ...we did however see Monsters...lol. So for us no it didn't improve

Booking 30 days in advance is irrelevant. If we are not doing a day onsite, then we'll book a throwaway. We therefore get 60 days. So for us it hasn't improved !

Again....your opinion.

If you don't agree with some people here, they will continue to pound you over the head, either until you shut up or change your mind...or ignore them.

 

[Luckybee]

An opinion you dispute?

It has not improved?



No, it has improved. You may not like the improvements, but it has. Unless you are one of those guests who don't like that off site guests get 30 days to book. I guess that would be hard to argue as a fact if you wish they had not done it in the first place. Then I guess your opinion is the correct one. Perhaps Disney will listen to you.

See above...it is still an OPINION. Whether there are "improvements" depends on the individual. What is an improvement to one, may be irrelevant to another. I find it hard to believe you don't see the difference between opinions and facts.

Fact ...it is 32 degrees outside
Opinion ...it is cold

Fact- Disney has made changes to fp+ since inception
Opinion-Disney has made improvements to fp+ since inception

 

[Luckybee]

If you don't agree with some people here, they will continue to pound you over the head, either until you shut up or change your mind...or ignore them.

LOL

Made my morning !

 

[cakebaker]

If you don't agree with some people here, they will continue to pound you over the head, either until you shut up or change your mind...or ignore them.

I couldn't agree more. I can't believe that there has to be pages wasted arguing whether or not the system has improved from the day it first started. Perhaps if people wouldn't challenge what is clearly fact, this thread would be much shorter.

You may not like the improvements, perhaps they are not improvements that enhance your experience...but they are improvements nonetheless.

The ability for off site guests to book is an improvement. It certainly did not help on site guests ( or those who have figured out a loophole in the system to get on site benefits in some form) but that doesn't mean it isn't an improvement to the system.

 

[Luckybee]

I couldn't agree more. I can't believe that there has to be pages wasted arguing whether or not the system has improved from the day it first started. Perhaps if people wouldn't challenge what is clearly fact, this thread would be much shorter.

You may not like the improvements, perhaps they are not improvements that enhance your experience...but they are improvements nonetheless.

You do know the definition of a fact right ..."a thing that is indisputably the case"

and an opinion ...
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
"I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance"
synonyms: belief,judgment,thought(s),(way of) thinking,mind,(point of) view,viewpoint,outlook,attitude,stance,position,perspective,persuasion,standpoint;More

• 
  
• the beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing.
  "the changing climate of opinion"
• an estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something.
  "I had a higher opinion of myself than I deserved"

Just in case there was any doubt Truly I am amazed that I am debating something that involves the use of basic English.

 

[Luckybee]

Or how about the simple definition of improvement " : the act of improving something : the act or process of making something better "

So let me try this in very simple language...it is my opinion that the changes to fp+ have had no effect on my enjoyment, therefore it is my opinion that the changes did not make fp+ better and were therefore not an improvement.

Sheesh !

 

[Jennytoon]

Not sure how you drew the conclusion that Disney should NOT pay attention. The conversation was regarding guests reading those complaints and permitting the minority to influence your opinion by giving more weight than They deserve.

But if it is a small minority that hates a service while the bulk of guests do, no company worth their weight are going to say--you know what, that small percentage is right, let's do away with the whole thing.

They may try to change your mind. But the last thing they will do is eliminate a program based on a handful of non-specific complaints on a random review site.

If you think good companies do that, it is very wishful thinking.

But--I am glad you brought it up because FP+ HAS improved. So clearly Disney is not ignoring the feedback.

Just a suggestion -- how about if we go with "I'm glad you brought it up, because Disney has made changes to FP+ in response to the most frequent complaints. So clearly Disney is not ignoring the feedback."

This makes LLPs main point (that Disney is not ignoring feedback), and nobody has to argue about whether or not they are improvements.

 

[cakebaker]

Or how about the simple definition of improvement " : the act of improving something : the act or process of making something better "

So let me try this in very simple language...it is my opinion that the changes to fp+ have had no effect on my enjoyment, therefore it is my opinion that the changes did not make fp+ better and were therefore not an improvement.

Sheesh !

I'm sorry that you only see the world through the lens of does it affect you personally. There have been system improvements and enhancements. They do not all affect all guests. Just because you have the opinion that these improvements did not help you, it does not mean that factually, the system has not gone through improvements.

And if you only go back to the beginning of the FP+ release- you will clearly see the system has improved in performance. You personally may still have issues, but that doesn't mean it hasn't seen improvements.

Unbelievable.

 

[JimmyV]

Re: Pricing. Dug this up from 1971-1972.

 

[Laketravis]

There have been many improvements since FP+ began.

Yes, tiering was definitely an improvement.


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[cakebaker]

Yes, tiering was definitely an improvement.


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Not sure on this, but wasn't tiering always in place from the beginning? If so, it really doesn't apply to the ridiculous argument of the moment.

That said, it certainly was a necessary addition. Many more guests get to experience these rides because of it. It sort of makes my point- an improvement to the system may not necessarily improve your personal experience. Not sure on this, but wasn't tiering always in place from the beginning? If so, it really doesn't apply to the ridiculous argument of the moment.

 

[Luckybee]

Just a suggestion -- how about if we go with "I'm glad you brought it up, because Disney has made changes to FP+ in response to the most frequent complaints. So clearly Disney is not ignoring the feedback."

This makes LLPs main point (that Disney is not ignoring feedback), and nobody has to argue about whether or not they are improvements.

On this I do agree.

And I'd be happy to not argue semantics. The difficulty is that as Janadee has stated(paraphrasing) earlier there are a couple of posters who continuously post over and over pounding you over the head with the same old same old. Eventually it just gets old.
And quite frankly I personally get tired of hearing it as do many others.

 

[Laketravis]

Not sure on this, but wasn't tiering always in place from the beginning? If so, it really doesn't apply to the ridiculous argument of the moment..

Nope. Tiering was an "improvement" that was added later. I thought you were familiar with all this? How can you definitively state anything is an improvement if you aren't sure of the basis from which it started?

That said, it certainly was a necessary addition..

Ah! I see your point - the changes were all to Disney's advantage, thus they were improvements! To that I would agree.

Many more guests get to experience these rides because of it..

So you're stating that without an FP and tiering, a guest can't experience those rides?


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[Luckybee]

I'm sorry that you only see the world through the lens of does it affect you personally. There have been system improvements and enhancements. They do not all affect all guests. Just because you have the opinion that these improvements did not help you, it does not mean that factually, the system has not gone through improvements.

And if you only go back to the beginning of the FP+ release- you will clearly see the system has improved in performance. You personally may still have issues, but that doesn't mean it hasn't seen improvements.

Unbelievable.

You really didn't look at the definitions did you ? You're well spoken, I know you can read, so what part of the definitions did you not understand ?

 

[Laketravis]

On this I do agree.

And I'd be happy to not argue semantics. The difficulty is that as Janadee has stated(paraphrasing) earlier there are a couple of posters who continuously post over and over pounding you over the head with the same old same old. Eventually it just gets old.
And quite frankly I personally get tired of hearing it as do many others.

Not to mention picking up a tangent and running with it.


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[cakebaker]

The difficulty is that as Janadee has stated(paraphrasing) earlier there are a couple of posters who continuously post over and over pounding you over the head with the same old same old. Eventually it just gets old.
And quite frankly I personally get tired of hearing it as do many others.

I agree with this as well- all depends on what side of the fence you're on as to which posters are being referred to, doesn't it.

 

[JimmyV]

You may not like the improvements, perhaps they are not improvements that enhance your experience...but they are improvements nonetheless.

I think that when one is trying to make this point in a neutral, non-judgmental way, the proper word here is "changes". Not "improvements".
When done in this manner, everyone can agree that things are different. But we are all free to decide for ourselves if they were improvements or not. Doesn't this sound better and spark fewer arguments?:

You may not like the changes, perhaps they are not improvements that enhance your experience...but they are changes nonetheless.

 

[Luckybee]

I agree with this as well- all depends on what side of the fence you're on as to which posters are being referred to, doesn't it.

I don't think there is any doubt as to what posters she was referring to

But I'm sure JanaDee will correct me if I'm wrong .

 

[Luckybee]

I think that when one is trying to make this point in a neutral, non-judgmental way, the proper word here is "changes". Not "improvements".
When done in this manner, everyone can agree that things are different. But we are all free to decide for ourselves if they were improvements or not. Doesn't this sound better and spark fewer arguments?:

You may not like the changes, perhaps they are not improvements that enhance your experience...but they are changes nonetheless.

Thank you, thank you , thank you !!!!!

 

[JimmyV]

You can't both advocate being upset by there still being some people that do not use it optimally, wish them to fully understand and use it well, but then also be upset that because everyone is using it, you only get an equal share instead of a competitive edge by knowing more than them.

I see your point, but I don't think that it is inconsistent to revel in the ignorance of others and take advantage of a system that others don't fully understand, and at the same time make the neutral point that the system operator needs to do a better job at educating the masses. There is no doubt that in so doing, Disney would be harming me. But that doesn't alter the observation that education is lacking. As long as people think that you have to buy more FPs, I win. But the larger part of me would prefer to live in a world where people were not so ill-informed. Sort of like the cashier at the store who cannot count out change. If they err against you, you correct them. If they err in your favor, you say nothing and profit. It would be foolish of me to wish that the cashier were smarter and were better at math. But I do. Maybe I am a sap.