LOST....*WARNING* Future Spoilers

[heidica]

I thought it was the army guy that taught Sayid how to interrogate people. MAybe I'm wrong. Maybe they're the same. Please help me I too am confused!

Well, I do know that the Army guy who trained Sayid IS Kate's Father, but I am not sure if that was him in the hatch with Desmond. And if it is how in the h*ll did HE get there??

 

[BWVDenise]

Oh no. You guys are getting me even more confused! There should be a LOST Companion Guide.
So the guy who made Sayid interrogate people was Kate's bio-father? And now we are wondering if he was the guy in the hatch with Desmond? Am I following along?

 

[heidica]

Oh no. You guys are getting me even more confused! There should be a LOST Companion Guide.
So the guy who made Sayid interrogate people was Kate's bio-father? And now we are wondering if he was the guy in the hatch with Desmond? Am I following along?

Yes - that is what we are trying figure out - whether or not the other hatch guy with Desmond is Kate's bio-father.

 

[BWVDenise]

OK, I don't agree with this, but my dh thinks that "Zeke/Tom" is the guy that was in the hatch with Desmond and Desmond thought he killed him but he lived. Is that even possible? He doesn't think that Kate's bio-father was the guy in the hatch. I think I'd need a picture line up to try and figure it all out.

 

[heidica]

OK - I did some searching on the website http://lost.cubit.net/ and found that Kate's bio-Dad and Desmond's hatch partner (whose name is Kelvin) are NOT the same person. Here is a copy & paste of what lost.cubit.net says about Kelvin Inman. He is the arny guy connected to Sayid who trained Sayid to torture.


Inman appeared to have been a CIA Operative working in Iraq during the Gulf War (he later says "I was a spook for 10 years"). When Sayid was captured in Kuwait, Inman called himself Joe and used Sayid in order to get information from Sayid's commanding officer, Tariq. Inman showed Sayid a video of Tariq using Sarin gas on a village in Iraq which Sayid's relatives lived in. By doing so, he convinced Sayid to torture Tariq in order to find out where a missing US pilot was located (that was believed to have been captured by Tariq). Sayid was successful in obtaining the information, and was later released by Inman because the Americans are moving out of Iraq, since Sadam is back in power. Inman told him, "Guess you're lucky you have a new skill set you can use... One of these days there will be something you need to know. And now you know how to get it." Sayid vowed never to use means of torture again. Inman gave him "bus fare" back to Ramaldi and left in the convoy with Sergeant Sam Austen.

At some point, Inman was hired by DHARMA to work in the Swan. He worked for some time with a partner who he called Radzinsky. According to Inman, it was Radzinsky's idea to use detergent to start the blast door map, and also to rewire to force a lockdown procedure. Inman later related that Radzinsky shot himself and commited suicide, and he was the lone Swan operator for an unknown period of time.

According to Desmond, when he was stranded on the island 3 years ago, Inman came running out of the jungle. He brought him back inside the hatch and taught him how to push the button every 108 minutes. He told Desmond his first name was Kelvin. Over the years, he passed down many of Radzinsky's secrets to Desmond, and also taught him about the failsafe key.

Kelvin perpetuated the idea that there was a sickness outside the station, and refused to let Desmond go exploring. He went outside from time to time in a biohazard suit, but one day, Desmond followed him. After he saw him take the suit off, Desmond confronted him, and Inman admitted he had lied to him. He showed Desmond that he had plans to leave the island after repairing Desmond's boat, and just needed someone around to push the button. In anger, Desmond fought him, and hit his head against a rock. Desmond believes he killed him.

 

[Sandy22]

OK - I did some searching on the website http://lost.cubit.net/ and found that Kate's bio-Dad and Desmond's hatch partner (whose name is Kelvin) are NOT the same person. Here is a copy & paste of what lost.cubit.net says about Kelvin Inman. .

Thanks for this! I was still wondering how Kate's bio father was connected in all this so here's a copy and paste from the same site. Kate's father is Sargeant Sam Austen. BTW - that's a great site! I'm going to read up on all the characters.

Sam Austen is Kate's father, and was previously married to Kate's mother, Diane Jansen. Although Kate grows up believing Sam is her biological father, it turns out that while Sam was in Korea, Diane had an affair with Wayne Jansen, who is actually Kate's biological father.

Kate spent some time with her father at Fort Lewis in Washington State. There, Kate learned some skills from her father such as hunting and tracking.

Some time later, Diane and Sam divorced, and Diane later married Wayne Jansen. When Kate discovers that Wayne is her real father, she kills him - because she can't stand the thought of Wayne (a drunk, abusive husband, and bad father) being a part of her.

While on the run from US Marshal's, Kate visits her father at an army recruiting office. During their conversation, Kate asks "Why didn't you tell me that Wayne was my father?" to which Sam responds, "I didn't tell you because I knew you'd kill him. And your mother loved him." When Kate asks her father why he didn't kill Sam, he replies, "Because I don't have murder in my heart."

Years ago, Austen was deployed to Iraq during Operation Desert Storm. SGT Sam Austen approached an imprisoned Sayid to do some "translation" work (which later turned into the interrogation and torture of Tariq, under the supervision of Agent Inman). Afterwards, he is also part of the convoy that escorts Sayid for release in Iraq. He asks him "You got a wife, kids?" while looking at a photograph of a young Kate.

 

[beattyfamily]

I thought that Kate's bio father is dead because she killed him! She burned him in his house while he was drunk and sleeping. She did this after she was told he was her bio father. She wasn't happy since he abused her mother.

But I also remember when Sayid first met that American soldier (Kelvin) that he did show a picture of a girl that did look like Kate.

This show is so great yet so confusing; I love it!

 

[heidica]

I thought that Kate's bio father is dead because she killed him! She burned him in his house while he was drunk and sleeping. She did this after she was told he was her bio father. She wasn't happy since he abused her mother.

But I also remember when Sayid first met that American soldier (Kelvin) that he did show a picture of a girl that did look like Kate.

This show is so great yet so confusing; I love it!

Sorry for adding to the confusion For some reason I had it in my head that the drunk guy was Kate's step-father but I forgot he was really her bio-dad, not the army guy. Too much to keep straight But I knew the other hatch guy looked familiar and that was because he was the guy that trained Sayid in torture. So Kelvin at least knows Kate's step-father - I wonder if Kate would know who Kelvin is and that her step-father and Kelvin used to work together

 

[BWVDenise]

OMG, my confusion has doubled. I had thought that the guy who "trained" Sayid WAS Kate's stepfather. I thought THAT was who had taken out the picture of Kate on the truck when he was with Sayid. So it was actually someone else? And that someone else turned out to be "Kelvin?" Is that right?

 

[beattyfamily]

OMG, my confusion has doubled. I had thought that the guy who "trained" Sayid WAS Kate's stepfather. I thought THAT was who had taken out the picture of Kate on the truck when he was with Sayid. So it was actually someone else? And that someone else turned out to be "Kelvin?" Is that right?

Right. He's someone else because her step dad who turned out to be her real dad, she killed and her dad who she thought was her real dad was not Kelvin, but another man that she visited right before she went on the run. He was also a soldier though so maybe that is part of the confusion.

 

[CraftyMouse]

OMG, my confusion has doubled. I had thought that the guy who "trained" Sayid WAS Kate's stepfather. I thought THAT was who had taken out the picture of Kate on the truck when he was with Sayid. So it was actually someone else? And that someone else turned out to be "Kelvin?" Is that right?

No, it was Kate's step-father who took out the picture of Kate on the truck. Sayid was also on the truck but Kate's step-father had her picture.

 

[ReggieB]

OMG, my confusion has doubled. I had thought that the guy who "trained" Sayid WAS Kate's stepfather. I thought THAT was who had taken out the picture of Kate on the truck when he was with Sayid. So it was actually someone else? And that someone else turned out to be "Kelvin?" Is that right?

Kate's Dad was in that Sayid flashback episode (One of Them), however so was Kelvin/Joe Inman. Inman is the guy that gives Sayid the US cash at the end. It is alluded that he is some sort of CIA/Special Forces guy. Also in the episode is Sgt Austin who in the back of the truck pulls out Kate's photo. I believe that both Inman and Austin sit down and interrogate Sayid at different points of his flashback, perhaps that's where the confusion comes from.

Clancy Brown plays Inman and Lindsey Ginter plays Sgt Sam Austen. They are two different guys. If you see photo's of them they look nothing alike!! It does get confusing when people are referencing other episodes, without more explanation. I didn't even notice Kate's stepdad in that episode (not even the photo!) until I watched it again.

 

[beattyfamily]

LINK to a picture of Kate's dad she thought was her real dad but turned out not to be. Just look him up by his name, Sam Austen.

Kate has a complicated paternity: the man she thought of as her father (Sgt Sam Austen) was away in Korea when she was conceived. Her mother later married Kate's biological father (Wayne), but she only knew him as her step-father. Later, when Kate was researching her "real" father, she discovered it would have been impossible for him to be her biological father. After learning all this, she plotted to kill Wayne, as he was abusive at best and incestuous at worst.

She murdered the man she had once believed to be her step-father by blowing up the house while he was asleep. She commited the crime because she found out that he was actually her real father and could not stand the thought that he was a part of her. There would always be a part of her that was "bad".

The man in the hatch was not Sgt Sam Austen. Not her dad that she thought was her real dad but turned out not to be.

 

[heidica]

The man in the hatch was not Sgt Sam Austen. Not her dad that she thought was her real dad but turned out not to be.

Right. The man in the hatch is "associated" with Kate's Dad (not her bio-Dad)because they both interrogated Sayid in the same episode. So if Sayid ever sees Kelvin/Joe Inman in the future (seems Lost is implying he might not really be dead) Sayid would certainly recognize him.

 

[Lanshark]

Has anyone discussed Libby giving the boat to Desmond? Could Libby's time in the hospital with Hurley be attributed to her husbands death? It is interesting that during the funeral the Elizebeth boat came into view.

 

[RadioNate]

From podcast - yes this was the 1st time we left the island in real time (Penny's staff 'seeing' the island during the fail safe activation) The time where 'they missed it' was 9/22/2004 when the plane crashed.

It is NOT Matthew Fox in the scene at the end. They are speaking Brazillian Portuguase and are in some sort of Artic/Anartic place.

Next season the season will premire in late Sept for 6 episodes and then end w/a mini cliffhanger in Nov for 12 weeks. In Feb it will come back for 17 straight episodes.

They will discuss The Hanso Foundation at ComicCon. They are totally playing it like it is a real foundation who is 'against' the show.

The monster will be back in season 3. There is a good chance that viewers DID see the monster BUT didn't realize that it was the monster that they were looking at. They have additional stories to tell involving the monster but sometimes there isn't enough time to tell everything.

They don't reveal anything on the show until they know the resolution of the event. For example when they introduced the hatch in 1.11 they knew who was in it and why.

They addressed why Hurley and the others weren't that upset with Michael. They said they weren't that happy with that scene and they scraficed some of the character motivation to get from point A to B.

Season 3.1-6, gets into WHY Jack, Kate and Sawyer were taken. And the relationship between the 3 and where the others live.

Locke/wheelchair, Kate's marriage and Jack's tatoo will be discussed in season 3.

The new mystery is 'what happened' when the button ran down and the white light etc happened. Desmond DID blow up the hatch but they seem to imply that Desmond is coming back.

Get the podcast at abc.com or through iTunes.

 

[bengalbelle]

Great spoilers RadioNate! Here are a few more. The first one has some repeats of what you posted already.

05/29 - Summary of spoilers given by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse: Next season, we will understand the real ramifications of Desmond activating the failsafe and what that did. The central issue of season three will be what did happen. It sounds like Desmond's coming back. They said they want him back, we want to know why he was in prison, we want to know what happened when he turned that key that affected the entire island. That will become very important. The island was visible but only for an instant. It was also visible for an instant on 9/22/04 when the plane crashed. The foot statue represents the history and archeology of the island. Season three will explore what happened on the island before Dharma arrived in the late 70's and who was there. The smoke monster will definitely be back in Season three. There is a good chance we saw the monster this year and didn't realize we were looking at it. By the end of next year we will realize what it was and when we saw it. Why did the Others take Jack, Kate and Sawyer? Where is their home? That will be the story told over the first six episodes. Season 3 will also be about the main characters and their relationships. They want to service the relationships next year more than the mythology. How Locke got in the wheelchair, how Jack got his tattoos will be revealed in Season three. Source: Lost Podcast
05/26 - I just received some exclusive intel on the new characters joining Lost. In addition to the two female roles, the show is also adding a new hunk. Descriptions are: Female, 30s, with leadership qualities. Female, early 20s, very attractive. Male, Latino, early 20s, handsome, mysterious quality. My guess? These are some of the "background" survivors that Carlton Cuse told me would emerge next season. Source: The Ausiello Report
05/26 - Next season will be about the Others, as led by the oblique Henry Gale (played by Michael Emerson, who will join the regular cast). Mr. Cuse listed what viewers will learn about the Others by this time next year: "Who are these people? How many of them are there? What is their history? What are they trying to accomplish?" Source: New York Times
05/25 - Producers of ABC's hit series Lost [...] told SCI FI Wire that it sets up the upcoming third season, which will focus more on romance—and on the mysterious Others. "The Others are an important part of season three, and there's a lot of mysteries and a lot of questions about the Others that the audience is going to be curious about going into season three," said executive producer Carlton Cuse in an interview. "And those are the things we're going to explore." Cuse added: "There will definitely be some new characters on the show next year. ... Obviously, Michael Emerson, who plays Henry Gale, he's someone who's going to be very prominent in the show next year." Fans were also introduced to a new character who promises to figure in next season's storylines: Penelope Widmore, played by Sonya Walger. [...] "I'm excited about love in season three," said executive producer Bryan Burk, adding: "Don't forget now the people have been on the island for 60-plus days. They're now obviously more familiar with each other. ... The concept of love is there, and... it weaves its way through all of our characters. It's going to be much more prevalent in season three." Source: Sci Fi Wire
05/24 - Carlton Cuse reveals: I will say that the next season is a lot about the Others. There's a lot of mysteries about the Others that we'll be getting into next year. [We will see more of Alex next season.] Source: E! Online
05/24 - According to the Hollywood Reporter, ABC's Lost is on the hunt for two new actresses to join the cast for Season 3, now that the show's distaff ranks have been quickly depleted by the twin killings of Michelle Rodriguez's Ana Lucia and Cynthia Watros' Libby. Source: TV Guide Online
05/24 - [Chances to see Ana-Lucia in flashbacks are] slim to none, according to Carlton [Cuse]. "Never say never, but we feel like we told her story," he reveals. "Her arc had a beginning, middle and an end." "You will [eventually] find out what happened to Cindy," [says Cuse.] Source: Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide

 

[bengalbelle]

I'm excited that Desmond (appears) to be back and that Henry will become a regular cast member. He adds such a creepy element to the show.

I love the mythology of the show but I'm also glad to see them focusing on the relationships between the characters.

I think I remember seeing the island in the finale (erased it from the DVR, though). Does anyone remember when they showed it?

 

[Amy]

Hey - I think I finally figured out something on this show! In the spoilers when they say that the viewers saw the smoke monster but didn't realize we were seeing it - in the finale when Sayid said he'd scout the Others' camp and then light a fire using the leaves that produce black smoke and then Jack, Michael, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley are going thru the jungle and they see the smoke - we all figured that was Sayid's fire, but maybe the smoke was the smoke monster. Whaddya think?

 

[BWVDenise]

Hey - I think I finally figured out something on this show! In the spoilers when they say that the viewers saw the smoke monster but didn't realize we were seeing it - in the finale when Sayid said he'd scout the Others' camp and then light a fire using the leaves that produce black smoke and then Jack, Michael, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley are going thru the jungle and they see the smoke - we all figured that was Sayid's fire, but maybe the smoke was the smoke monster. Whaddya think?

I think I need to watch it again!