LOST SEASON 3 **Official** Discussion/Speculation Thread (No Spoilers)

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Could they have crashed the plane just to get Jack to preform spine surgery on whoever this is

I'm pretty sure we know that the airplane crash was unintentional -- caused by Desmond without pre-meditation or fore-knowledge of what the impact would be. (Of course, some bigger force could have put all these things in motion, including Desmond's outburst, but I doubt that. I think they're going to try to keep the explanations for things as close to physics as they can.)

 

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So if there was a second island they would have to have taken a boat, but S/K/J would have known if they took a boat, right? They were only knocked out before getting to the dock, not after--at least I don't think.

They were knocked out at the dock. So the order of events could have been (1) Get knocked out; (2) Transported to Alcatraz.

 

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The Others where in their houses, one even had a book club meeting going on. They heard the noises and all ran outside, where they saw the plane coming down. Ben then told Ethan and the other guy to get to the crash site and to act like survivors and to gather information.

One thing about this that I wonder about: Ethan and Goodwin seemed to have run to their respective places with the crash victims, so that would put the Other's village on The Island, rather than on Alcatraz. Unless, of course, they both ran to boats...

 

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Last night he kept complaining about the "pacemaker" thing...about how they couldn't insert one with a needle.....about how a pacemaker wouldn't make your heart "explode" at a certain heart rate.....about how "that is not how a pacemaker works"...

Uh, if we believe Henry/Ben, then all that stuff about the pacemaker was bunk. Jack would have known they couldn't do what they had originally claimed to do, but Sawyer perhaps wouldn't have. It doesn't take much to cause scars on someone's torso to make them think that they had been subjected to some type of surgery.

..oh...and how that woman went from a perfect heart rate to "asystole".....dh said "you never go straight from a sinus rhythm to asystole!!

They've only got 45 minutes to play with...

And WHY OH WHY didn't someone come to the cages when Kate was out? You know they are being monitored 24/7.

If Henry/Ben is to be believed, where would she have gone? They are playing with their heads... letting the scene play out could be part of their plan. And it seemed to work.

Dh has a pediatric podcast and he's thinking of adding a segment called "keeping it real" in which he talks about the medical mismanagement on both LOST and Grey's Anatomy....both of them have BLATENT medical errors that could easily be corrected with a good medical consultant.

Grey's Anantomy warrants such attention. Lost isn't a medical show, and it deliberately fantastical.

 

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Okay, so Juliet is a fertility doctor. What does that mean? Why would they need a fertility doctor on the island?

Since they've targeted children and pregnant women from the very start, that sure makes a lot of sense.

I think that there may be an underground tunnel between the islands. In a previous episode, after Jack tried to open the hatch door, he realized that he was being kept underwater. So, they wouldn't need a boat to get back to the other island if they have a tunnel.

Great point!

 

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When that guy came back and told Benry that "the sub is back. We have a situation." Do they have a submarine? Remember when Colleen's crew got on the sailboat that Sun was on and she shot her? Then when Sun fell into the water, you didn't see another boat around. So how did they get onto the sailboat without Jin and Sayid seeing them? SUBMARINE! The Hydra plant is underwater, how did they get there? SUBMARINE! It all makes sense

Yes, that does make sense, except for one nuance -- why did Ethan and Goodwin run in separate directions? Presumably, even if they had two subs, they'd launch from one location...

I think that they are keeping Sawyer and Kate for reproduction purposes.

That does seem obvious now, doesn't it? What pretty babies they'd have!

 

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If Michael comes back, he can never again join the "Lost" society. Who'd accept him after what he did? Walt, they'd accept. Michael -- never.

Interesting. Just putting this together with the hint from TV Guide that a series regular would die in the next two episodes, perhaps it will be Michael? I doubt hint-givers would worry about a technicality like the fact that he is no longer a series regular.

 

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Didn't the Hanso Foundation website have something on Cloning? Wouldn't having a fertility doctor be good for cloning experiments? Maybe that is what Juliet is doing.

Just projecting here... so this is how they could actually have Boone and/or Shannon rejoin the cast -- as clones!

Some more idle specuation regarding cloning: Ben and Juliette have said they have spent their entire lives on the island... perhaps they're both clones, clones that are grown in such a way (go with me here a bit) that they retain all the knowledge and memories of the original, and so they have spent their entire lives on the island, all two or three years of their lives...

 

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I guess I'm in the minority here, but I still love this show.

You're not in the minority -- people who don't love a show don't discuss it week-after-week.

 

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After all (granted Sawyer doesn't know this, so this is for our benefit) Ben ... told Locke last season that he didn't push the button when Locke's leg was trapped. He said he let it go to zero, the numbers turned to heiroglyphics, the place shook and then nothing. Went back to numbers and back to normal. And we all know that had to be a lie since we've seen what happens when you don't enter the numbers.

Hmmm.... one thing I've been wondering is if the button-pushing people are working for the Others, or working to contain the Others.

 

[MyGoofy26]

They've only got 45 minutes to play with...

Something else to consider (you're exactly right - they have to squeeze an entire storyline into under 45 minutes - they can't afford spending minutes on that scene for us to watch her heart rate slow down. .. I think most people realize it's for dramatic purposes) is that Colleen was apparently down for quite some time. If you all recall, it was dead of night when they overtook the sailboat and she got shot, but when they pulled Jack in it was clearly daytime.

 

[MyGoofy26]

Hmmm.... one thing I've been wondering is if the button-pushing people are working for the Others, or working to contain the Others.

Quite possible. Things hint towards there being two groups of Others (won't get into spoilers) when you consider that Desmond referred to Ben and friends as "the hostiles". . . could have been Kelvin again lying to keep him subservient, but assuming Kelvin was honest about at least that, it would definitely create a line of distinction between the Others working in the hatch and the Others hanging out with Ben in the 'burbs.

Also take into account that Ben said he's lived on the island his whole life, yet according to the films the Dharma Initiative has only been around for about 25 years. Another hint that there are separate and distict groups of residents on this island(s)

 

[Obi-Wan Pinobi]

Some more idle specuation regarding cloning: Ben and Juliette have said they have spent their entire lives on the island... perhaps they're both clones, clones that are grown in such a way (go with me here a bit) that they retain all the knowledge and memories of the original, and so they have spent their entire lives on the island, all two or three years of their lives...

Cloning could also explain why Ethan seemed to have super-human strength. Why he was able to pick people up by their necks as if he was picking up a drink or something. Maybe they are manipulating genes to enhance certain abilities like strength to create a race of superior beings?

We still love the show as much as the first season. Sure, this episode wasn't by far the best they've done, but overall I have to hand it to the writers. They have by far kept this show from being predictable. And I for one don't want everything just point blank answered. I think its fun speculating every week. It's great when you do get some answers like finding out some info about the Others, but if everything ends up being cleared up too fast I think it opens the door to bad writing.

Look at it this way - those that think we haven't gotten enough answers in the last 2+ years, technically only about 2 months has gone by in the life of the people the show is about. I think if we look at it in "their time", we have learned a lot.

 

[debknight]

MyGoofy26...

In reply to your theory about the rain & bad things happening... After Anna Lucia found the balloon, it had been raining. It was after they got back to the hatch, she and Libby got shot by Michael. Am I remembering this correctly?

 

[Heidict]

I feel it is has been perfect, up until this past episode.

I still like the show, but it seems like it's not moving along at quite the same pace that it did in the first season. I know TPTB said that the show will only run for 5-7 years. By that time, all the answers will have been answered. However, I just hope that they are attempting to drag it out to make the show last longer.

On the top of that ridge, with Henry (Ben?) talking to Sawyer (James Ford?), I finally got completely and utterly "Lost". (I also don't understand how the Others-but-one can be taking Col's death so casually.)

You are just now lost? I have been there for awhile. I don't understand about the reactions of the Others in a lot of situations. But, yeah, they are taking her "murder" pretty casually.

Well, that's not true. They do routinely provide answers. They also routinely raise more questions. If they didn't, the show would end.

Yes, we have gotten some answers. The Hatch, the button, what made the plane crash, etc. However, they have promised some answers in the past, that I honestly can't remember them answering, such as the numbers, the security system.

They like to drag out the answers to the mysteries. Which I understand. It just seems like they ask more then answer.

Again, with this last episode, I am now officially fed-up with our heroes being jailed.

Both are people who are willing to adjust their moral compass to fulfill a defensible need (which may be necessary to side-with the Others), and both need redemption (which perhaps could be the carrot the Others can offer them, assuming the Others can convince Sawyer and Kate that they, the Others, are indeed, the Good Guys).

Never thought of it like that. Sounds like Locke should be in this bunch also. Didn't Ben say that he was orginally coming for Locke?

I don't remember anyone claiming to be "peace loving" -- they've said they're the "Good Guys". We believe that the crash victims are the "Good Guys" yet we've seen them do some pretty violent things, even to their own people. Sawyer made the observation last night: The Others don't fight themselves (when speculating about who might have shot Col).

I don't believe they said "peace lovers", that was my wording. However, I thought I heard them say something about "not killing people" and always speaking about how they are the good guys. I may have heard it wrong or even missed some things. I had a 9 month old who didn't want to go to sleep till 9.30 wednesday and was laying on the bed singing and talking for the first 1/2 of the show.

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

Charlie made a comment in the very first episode of season one on the odd weather patterns. He called it "end of the world type" weather.

they do have strange weather patterns. so far in 3 seasons we've only seen it storm out maybe 3 times. i think it was raining when Desmond tried to get away from the island in that boat. so that's 3 times that i remember. when Shannon died, when Desmond tried to get way.....and then last nights episode.

i don't remember if it rained when Boone died. but maybe there's some sort of pattern??

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

Someone made an interesting obervation on another board that everytime there's a big storm someone dies. Think back to the VERY beginning. The first big storm and oops! There goes the pilot out the window and dropped onto the trees! Then we have Shannon. I can't think of any other storms, but it's an interesting observation. And had Desmond not built that lightning rod, I'm guessing things would look pretty bleak for Claire and the baby.

I'm trying to think. . . I think there was a storm when they went off in search of Henry Gale's balloon. . . but I'm trying to remember if someone died in or around that episode. Could just be an odd coincidence with the storms. . . but still interesting to ponder.

i was just thinking that there was some sort of pattern.

i believe it was raining also when Desmond tried to get away on the boat last season. and i'm not sure if it was raining when Boone died or not. i really don't want to bring myself to watch that episode again(it's really tough to watch, i loved his character!) but i might have to just to see.

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

I never got the impression that the healing powers were absolute. As a matter of fact, it seems that the healing powers always take time, and have never healed death, so are probably not useful for trauma at all.

the healing powers don't take "time". Locke was able to walk as soon as he woke up from the plane crash.

and Rose i believe is her name(the woman that had the cancer) was only on the island for MAYBE a few weeks and she already knew she was cured. so it really doesn't take much time for that island to heal.

HOWEVER, both Locke and Rose had something wrong with them BEFORE they got on the island. when Boone and Shannon and Charlie(he did, but they revived him) died, it was by the time they were on the island, and were tragic deaths that no one really could have predicted. Shannon was shot....not much time to do anything there. Boone was just losing too much blood, and Charlie was cut off from oxygen. so there's nothing the island could really do for them.

 

[MyGoofy26]

Yes, we have gotten some answers. The Hatch, the button, what made the plane crash, etc. However, they have promised some answers in the past, that I honestly can't remember them answering, such as the numbers, the security system.

They did answer questions about the numbers. . . but it was during the webmaze this summer. I'm not sure how they play into the storyline, but they did give away the history of the numbers. I won't post here since some may consider it spoilers, but the answer is out there if you look in the right place. There are a few sites that detail the webmaze.

The security system, Damon and Carlton said at the end of last season that we have seen it but didn't know what we were looking at and they'll come back to it this season and answer it for good. This is something different from the "smoke" we saw with Eko. . . we apparently saw the source/reason/explanation at some point last season.

 

[Heidict]

They did answer questions about the numbers. . . but it was during the webmaze this summer. I'm not sure how they play into the storyline, but they did give away the history of the numbers. I won't post here since some may consider it spoilers, but the answer is out there if you look in the right place. There are a few sites that detail the webmaze.

I used to love reading the spoilers and stuff during the first season, but then realized that it wasn't as much fun to watch if I knew who was going to die or what was going to happened. It took the surprise and anticipation away. Starting with the second season, I stopped looking. Trust me, it's kiling me. I don't want to wait, but I don't want to dissapoint myself either. I'm sure though if they have explained it on the web, then they will eventually put it in the show. After all, they have to know that not all their viewers are searching on the web for answers.

The security system, Damon and Carlton said at the end of last season that we have seen it but didn't know what we were looking at and they'll come back to it this season and answer it for good. This is something different from the "smoke" we saw with Eko. . . we apparently saw the source/reason/explanation at some point last season.

So, we do get to find out what the rollercoaster sounding thing is? The thing that grabbed Locke and tried to drag him down the hole?