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[robinb]

She said she killed a man, but don't you think she would feel responsible for the death of Tom? I'm not sure there is another death.

 

[BWVDenise]

robinb, I know what you mean but I'm trying to figure out why her mother was afraid of her once she started calling her Catherine, and why she said to Tom that he knew why she was always running away...

 

[LisaR]

It's my understanding that the bank scene happens after the hospital scene, right? So, Kate is a fugitive before the bank scene.

But what would she have done to make her a fugitive? If she killed her father after years of abuse, would they really put a guard outside of her mom's hospital room? Would a marshal really hunt her down like that just for killing her abusive father? While I know murder is murder, generally people don't think of someone as a huge threat to society if they only killed a person who abused them. She had to have done something else, imo, to cause her to be on the run, in disguise, and have her mom so afraid of her. But, what do I know?

Lisa

 

[mtemm]

robinb, I know what you mean but I'm trying to figure out why her mother was afraid of her once she started calling her Catherine, and why she said to Tom that he knew why she was always running away...

my assumption is that she was abused, possibly molested, as a child either by her father or stepfather...hence wanting to run away. my guess is she eventually killed whoever it is, and that her mom never believed her so was afraid of her because of what she did. At least that is my guess...time will tell!

 

[yecats]

I am on the same thought process as Mtemm. I additionally think Kate is calculating/manupulative as Sun came back and told Kate that she didn't admit to Jack that it was Kate's idea to slightly poison Sun's husband (although Michael got it). This could be something that she has done to someone in the past.

 

[elgerber]

She said she killed a man, but don't you think she would feel responsible for the death of Tom? I'm not sure there is another death.

I agree that when she said she killed a man she meant Tom. When she was crying with the airplane in her hand she told Jack it belong to the man she loved, the man she killed.

 

[JRoglitz]

Maybe Tom isn't dead. He looked dead but they were at the hospital. Maybe they saved him and she doesn't know it.

 

[minmate]

Okay, here's some thoughts I have reading the past few posts:

Why do you say they were in Ohio (Shelby County?) -- I thought I heard Tom say no self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere w/o beer? Iowa is not Ohio. Did I hear wrong?

I don't know if you could consider these spoilers but I read them in Entertainment Weekly. Dh has since read it and I don't know where he put it, so this is based off my memory. Hope it holds.

We will get a SMALL glimpse of the "monster." "Like 2-4 percent of it... like it's toes -- that's if it has toes."

There is something about the raft and who was going to be on it and something happening to one or some of them. And the lottery numbers of Hurley come into play again.

We will see Boone again in the 2 hour finale where a flashback of the crash will once again take place. The finale may also have a component surrounding the distress call that Boone placed from the fated plane they found and the voices he heard on the other end of the radio.

As for Walt, I think it's a great storyline waiting to unfold -- his sixth sense abilities.

As for Kate, I'm not so sure that the answer is something as simple as being abused and avenging that abuse by killing her aggressor. That is a typical storyline. It would liken us to her character -- a reasonable excuse to be a killer -- but I sure would like to see something fresh come out of this 'mystery.'

If the boar supply has run low and they never seem to have one to eat. I want to know what people are surviving on out there.

Another poster mentioned something strange btw Walt and the baby. Now, I know there's some "issues" about the 'baby.' But I didn't catch any interrelated events between Walt AND the baby. Also, why doesn't she just name her kid? Turnip head is funny but let's get a name going! Also, how are they going to keep the baby calm if Sawyer leaves and takes his soothing voice with him? lol....

I think this last episode was nicely arranged in its theme of actually locking back into reality... what awaits the survivors should they be rescued (a hope many of them still hold onto apparently). From Charlie's predictions he will be famous and his popularity will skyrocket to Kate's realization that she will lose her freedom.

 

[bengalbelle]

I mentioned these things a page or two back and it's buried now. I would really like to hear what ya'll think about this:

Someone sent Kate a letter telling her that her mom had cancer. There was also money in it. They also knew she was using an alias (Joan Hart). The only 2 people we know of so far (right?) that could have sent it would be Tom or Diane/Mom. Tom is unlikely because he seemed surprised to see Kate and because he said "I heard". I guess it's possible Diane/Mom sent the letter before she got so sick, but then how would you explain her behavior at the hospital? Did she send the letter to Kate knowing she would come see her so that she would be caught? My guess is there's someone else we haven't found out about.

The guard at the door: Why would you put a guard at the door if you're expecting Kate to show up? If I were trying to catch a fugitive I would put in an undercover agent posing as a nurse, orderly, etc. Guards at the door are usually for the patient's protection (someone is coming to harm them specifically) or the patient is the criminal and they're there to make sure they don't escape. Was Kate's mother in danger?

Someone mentioned the timing of the bank robbery. It had to be after because before the plane was buried. Why would Kate risk getting caught and getting people killed to get that plane out of the safety deposit box? Why would the plane be in a safety deposit box? Think about it. The wife recovers his possessions, you have a young son, give him the plane. Or the wife doesn't know what the plane is for because she's never seen it. None of the other things (from the time capsule) were in the safety deposit box. In fact, nothing else was in it, right?

There has to be a major story here that goes far beyond abuse. Maybe it started with that but remember Kate (unless she lied) said her father taught her tracking skills. She didn't talk about him then like she hated him. She also talked about being part of a crew on sailboats. Anyone notice how she knocked the policman out at the hospital when he grabbed her arm? Kate has some history that I think is going to be BIG.

 

[bengalbelle]

Okay, here's some thoughts I have reading the past few posts:

Why do you say they were in Ohio (Shelby County?) -- I thought I heard Tom say no self-respecting man from Iowa goes anywhere w/o beer? Iowa is not Ohio. Did I hear wrong?

I don't know if you could consider these spoilers but I read them in Entertainment Weekly. Dh has since read it and I don't know where he put it, so this is based off my memory. Hope it holds.

We will get a SMALL glimpse of the "monster." "Like 2-4 percent of it... like it's toes -- that's if it has toes."

There is something about the raft and who was going to be on it and something happening to one or some of them. And the lottery numbers of Hurley come into play again.

We will see Boone again in the 2 hour finale where a flashback of the crash will once again take place. The finale may also have a component surrounding the distress call that Boone placed from the fated plane they found and the voices he heard on the other end of the radio.

As for Walt, I think it's a great storyline waiting to unfold -- his sixth sense abilities.

As for Kate, I'm not so sure that the answer is something as simple as being abused and avenging that abuse by killing her aggressor. That is a typical storyline. It would liken us to her character -- a reasonable excuse to be a killer -- but I sure would like to see something fresh come out of this 'mystery.'

If the boar supply has run low and they never seem to have one to eat. I want to know what people are surviving on out there.

Another poster mentioned something strange btw Walt and the baby. Now, I know there's some "issues" about the 'baby.' But I didn't catch any interrelated events between Walt AND the baby. Also, why doesn't she just name her kid? Turnip head is funny but let's get a name going! Also, how are they going to keep the baby calm if Sawyer leaves and takes his soothing voice with him? lol....

I think this last episode was nicely arranged in its theme of actually locking back into reality... what awaits the survivors should they be rescued (a hope many of them still hold onto apparently). From Charlie's predictions he will be famous and his popularity will skyrocket to Kate's realization that she will lose her freedom.

Lol, I was typing while you posted, looks like we had some of the same thoughts.
They were in Iowa, at the beginning when she was in disguise she had a trunk full of license plates and the one she changed to was from Ohio.

I totally agree with you about Kate. Read my comments posted right after yours.

I think the Walt/Turniphead stuff is coming up. Like they're both "special".

You make a good point about them beginning to plan their life once they're rescued. Too bad that's not going to happen.

Something happening to one of them, well...it is sort of a spoiler. I'm not sure how to answer but *I will post in white because even though this info. is out there in articles, it is sort of a spoiler (if you're reading this on email notification STOP*
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the writers have said just because they don't come back in season 2 doesn't mean they're dead. Spoilers/writers suggest someone from the main cast will not be back in season 2.

 

[Obi-Wan Pinobi]

okay, here are some curve balls to throw out there...

What if the guard at the door was not to protect from someone getting to Diane but to guard Diane because she is a prisoner?

At first I thought about the "killing an abusive father/relative" theory but there seemed to be more.

I think Kate's whole family could be "dirty" some way. (Reason why her Mom would have a guard outside her hospital room.. she had been caught at some point for something she did) Anti-government? Theives? Spies? I don't know.

She mentions learning tracking skills from her father.. wanting to run away and that Tom knew why. Kate was pretty good with a gun and pretty good at fighting. She was a smart enough fugitive to have a trunk full of license plates. It was almost like she was a professional at this. She has had training or the need to do things like this in the past.

Maybe Kate finally turned against her family? Maybe a member of her family turned on her when she refused to do something (a brother maybe?) and in self defense she kills them?

She would look like a criminal in the eye of the law but as as she is implying, you don't know the whole story.

 

[BWVDenise]

I doubt that Diane was being guarded b/c she was dangerous, she was dying of cancer. The guard was there b/c they knew Kate would come and they were trying to catch her. The bogus part is that the guard didn't escort Diane to the radiology department. Anyone who would need to be guarded would be guarded where ever they went in the hospital, or at least outside the door to each department. That part was a little weak, I think.
I can't wait to find out what Kate did to be chased around the world!!!!

 

[alliecats]

okay, here are some curve balls to throw out there...

What if the guard at the door was not to protect from someone getting to Diane but to guard Diane because she is a prisoner?

At first I thought about the "killing an abusive father/relative" theory but there seemed to be more.

I think Kate's whole family could be "dirty" some way. (Reason why her Mom would have a guard outside her hospital room.. she had been caught at some point for something she did) Anti-government? Theives? Spies? I don't know.

She mentions learning tracking skills from her father.. wanting to run away and that Tom knew why. Kate was pretty good with a gun and pretty good at fighting. She was a smart enough fugitive to have a trunk full of license plates. It was almost like she was a professional at this. She has had training or the need to do things like this in the past.

Maybe Kate finally turned against her family? Maybe a member of her family turned on her when she refused to do something (a brother maybe?) and in self defense she kills them?

She would look like a criminal in the eye of the law but as as she is implying, you don't know the whole story.

Impressive, Obi Wan Pinobi. You are a true Lost Jedi Master. Has anyone seen the movie Running on Empty with River Phoenix, Judd Hirsch, and Christine Lahti? That's what your theory reminds me of. It sounds very plausible to me!!!

 

[elgerber]

Impressive, Obi Wan Pinobi. You are a true Lost Jedi Master. Has anyone seen the movie Running on Empty with River Phoenix, Judd Hirsch, and Christine Lahti? That's what your theory reminds me of. It sounds very plausible to me!!!

I love that movie, I just bought it on DVD a few weeks ago.

 

[Obi-Wan Pinobi]

I doubt that Diane was being guarded b/c she was dangerous, she was dying of cancer. The guard was there b/c they knew Kate would come and they were trying to catch her. The bogus part is that the guard didn't escort Diane to the radiology department. Anyone who would need to be guarded would be guarded where ever they went in the hospital, or at least outside the door to each department. That part was a little weak, I think.
I can't wait to find out what Kate did to be chased around the world!!!!

I thought the guard was outside the MRI room. Kate was waiting inside the room for Diane so the guard wouldn't have known that she was there.

 

[heidica]

Ok, I just got done re-watching last nights episode, and here are some of my thoughts...

Only land south of them is Antarctica. Antarctica = polar bears

Sorry to tell you Polar Bears are North Pole - penguins are Antartica.
But who is to say for sure that the only land mass south of them is Antartica, they don't even know where the heck there are. The pilot said they were off course and with all of the mystical stuff happening on that island they could be on the other side of the world for all we know.

Not only did I get the creeps when Walt told Locke not to "open it", I really got the chills when Michael told Walt "We don't have to go." and Walt said "Yes, we do."

I think Claire's odd response to the title to Charlie's song is because she doesn't know what he is talking about. Remember she doesn't remember anything between getting on the plane and escaping Nathan. She could have just thought Charlie was being weird and didn't realize he was referring to a real event.

When Sawyer cornered Kate into confessing she was the one with the marshal, she said something about "no matter what I say about what happened or what supposedly happened, I am going to jail." My take on the whole "what did Kate do situation" is she was accused of some horrible crime that she didn't commit and she went on the run and in the process of running did commit some crimes and now she knows she can't escape whatever the original crime is. As for why her Mom freaked out and who sent her the letter & money, I have no idea.

I vote that the disney item in the back sit of Tom's car was Minnie because it looks like it has a dress on. But it is definetly disney.

Can't wait until next weeks episode.

 

[bengalbelle]

Ok, I just got done re-watching last nights episode, and here are some of my thoughts...

Sorry to tell you Polar Bears are North Pole - penguins are Antartica.
But who is to say for sure that the only land mass south of them is Antartica, they don't even know where the heck there are. The pilot said they were off course and with all of the mystical stuff happening on that island they could be on the other side of the world for all we know.

Not only did I get the creeps when Walt told Locke not to "open it", I really got the chills when Michael told Walt "We don't have to go." and Walt said "Yes, we do."

I think Claire's odd response to the title to Charlie's song is because she doesn't know what he is talking about. Remember she doesn't remember anything between getting on the plane and escaping Nathan. She could have just thought Charlie was being weird and didn't realize he was referring to a real event.

When Sawyer cornered Kate into confessing she was the one with the marshal, she said something about "no matter what I say about what happened or what supposedly happened, I am going to jail." My take on the whole "what did Kate do situation" is she was accused of some horrible crime that she didn't commit and she went on the run and in the process of running did commit some crimes and now she knows she can't escape whatever the original crime is. As for why her Mom freaked out and who sent her the letter & money, I have no idea.

I vote that the disney item in the back sit of Tom's car was Minnie because it looks like it has a dress on. But it is definetly disney.

Can't wait until next weeks episode.

Oops! Well at least I know you don't have me on ignore

 

[RadioNate]

last night episode seems to have left more questions. I'm going to get frustrated if we met new survivors next season and don't get answers from this season. It's getting really hard to keep events straight. For me the show is getting too tiring to watch. I can see that being a long term problem.

As for Kate. I think Tom is the man she says she killed. I'm not sure there is another victim. The safety deposit box incident takes place after Tom's death. I'm also certain that there is a 3rd party involved, the letter writer. I think the letter writer may have also given her the safety deposit box key to retrive the plane.

As for Kate on the run in the 1st place I have no idea. Seems she wanted to run as a child so I fear abuse or a family of scammers etc is the case.

I just think Kate is street smart and not a spy or something. That's way too Sydney Bristow and while JJ tends to cast the same actors over and over he does tend to differenciate his heroines.

 

[heidica]

Oops! Well at least I know you don't have me on ignore

LOL - I would never have you on ignore. I love this thread and what everyone has to say.

As a side note - My husband and I were just discussing the animals near the North Pole and Antartica the other day because we were looking through his pictures from when he was in the Artic Circle and Antartica with the US Coast Guard. He took a great picture of a Polar Bear with her cub. It is like a picture you would see on a poster or card. When he was in Antartica he wasn't able to get that many pictures of penguins but did take some video of them.

 

[TiggerPiglet]

I think you may be right that the letter writer did give her the safety box key. I just can't understand why she would go to such great lengths to get the plane. I understand she loved Tom, but to have such an elaborate plan to get it back does not make sense. Hopefully in future episodes it will.