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[GoodFairies]

The pilot said they were off course and with all of the mystical stuff happening on that island they could be on the other side of the world for all we know.

Speaking of this. Here is something I have been wondering for a while. If I am remember correctly, the pilot said something like "We went 1000 miles off course, they are looking for us in the wrong place." This is completely leaving out the mystery, but everything seemed to happen so fast with the crash, I guess I just don't get how they could have become 1000 miles out of the way. I don't know, maybe I am forgetting other stuff the pilot said. Does that mean the flight was off course quite a while before the crash? But isn't that type of stuff radioed?

 

[elgerber]

Speaking of this. Here is something I have been wondering for a while. If I am remember correctly, the pilot said something like "We went 1000 miles off course, they are looking for us in the wrong place." This is completely leaving out the mystery, but everything seemed to happen so fast with the crash, I guess I just don't get how they could have become 1000 miles out of the way. I don't know, maybe I am forgetting other stuff the pilot said. Does that mean the flight was off course quite a while before the crash? But isn't that type of stuff radioed?

If I recall, something was wrong with the plane, so they turned it to land somewhere else. The communications equipment went out, so they could not radio that they were landing somewhere else. Just like the communications equipment went out on Danielles ship when they crashed on the island. Anyone else remember more precisely what was said?

 

[bengalbelle]

The pilot said they were off course and with all of the mystical stuff happening on that island they could be on the other side of the world for all we know.

Speaking of this. Here is something I have been wondering for a while. If I am remember correctly, the pilot said something like "We went 1000 miles off course, they are looking for us in the wrong place." This is completely leaving out the mystery, but everything seemed to happen so fast with the crash, I guess I just don't get how they could have become 1000 miles out of the way. I don't know, maybe I am forgetting other stuff the pilot said. Does that mean the flight was off course quite a while before the crash? But isn't that type of stuff radioed?

If I recall, something was wrong with the plane, so they turned it to land somewhere else. The communications equipment went out, so they could not radio that they were landing somewhere else. Just like the communications equipment went out on Danielles ship when they crashed on the island. Anyone else remember more precisely what was said?

All excellent points. If the communication equipment went out, it's possible the navigation equipment (sorry, know nothing about planes and their computers, I'm assuming navigation and communication are separate systems) did also. If the navigation equipment wasn't working properly, the pilot might think they are one place and they are somewhere else entirely. Remember the compass Locke gave Sayid? It didn't really point north or something like that. The pilot could have thought he was flying in one direction e.g. south, and instead going north, west, or east. Maybe there is some magnetic field or something that affected the equipment.

Another question, Kate, Charlie and Jack know that the pilot said they were 1,000 miles off course. Did they tell everyone else or are they still the only ones who know?

 

[Parkhopper]

I doubt that Diane was being guarded b/c she was dangerous, she was dying of cancer. The guard was there b/c they knew Kate would come and they were trying to catch her. The bogus part is that the guard didn't escort Diane to the radiology department. Anyone who would need to be guarded would be guarded where ever they went in the hospital, or at least outside the door to each department. That part was a little weak, I think.
I can't wait to find out what Kate did to be chased around the world!!!!

I agree about the guard needing to be there (that was his job!). Also, I thought it was pretty weird how FAST the police got there. Kate ran directly out to the parking garage and flew out of there! The police managed to respond to the call in mere seconds AND (without any real knowledge of what was going on - remember, the hospital guard didn't really know what was going on either when he was hit) managed to set up a road block outside of the parking garage.

Just doesn't add up. Then again, I guess it is no weirder than a show about survivors of a plane crash who land on a mystical island with polar bears and a monster - huh?
Suzi

 

[GoodFairies]

Another question, Kate, Charlie and Jack know that the pilot said they were 1,000 miles off course. Did they tell everyone else or are they still the only ones who know?

I'm not sure, because the stories of the pilot and polar bear were only witnessed by a few people, but other people (who weren't there) seem to know about it (random comments in some of the episodes). I don't know if this is a mistake or if it is shown to intend they are sharing their stories. Like with Charlie and the song title he told Claire, but Claire didn't even know about the pilot, plus she had amnesia? But she didn't react to it like she didn't know about it.

 

[bigmerle1966]

It could be that the person who was helping Kate is her father. She could have been taken away from her father by her mother and she wanted to run away to be with him. They may have divorced and the mother moved a long way away.

The pilot said they were 1,000 miles off course which would have been about two hours, give or take. I am basing that on the fact that it takes a little over two hours to fly from here to Kansas City, MO and that is over 1,000 miles from MD. He said that the communications went out and they were headed for Fiji? I would think that something else had to cause the plane problems because if it was caused by the island that is a pretty big area. Unless there is something that far out to keep any kind of radar or satelite from seeing that island. Maybe they will have an answer when the boat sets sail.

 

[bigmerle1966]

I discovered something on my AOL tonight. If you have AOL 9.0 and click on Expressions, then Environment you can change the voice that talks to you. The one that says "You have Mail" etc. Well they have celebrity voices and they have Ian Somerhalder. Unfortunately he is the only one from the cast of Lost. No Sawyer!!

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

I just saw this week's epi tonight.

Whatever Kate's past is, it must go pretty far back. She sounded like an angst-ridden child on the tape in the time capsule. I am guessing her crime has something to do with her father. I base this on two things. First, the mother's reaction indicates some sort of fear. Secondly, almost all of these characters have father issues. I won't recount them all now, but you can probably see where this is a common theme.

How did that plane get in the safe deposit box? That was a pretty cool trick -showing us the plane on the back seat of the car as Kate flees.

I was glad to see Locke put Jack in his place a little bit. I like the Jack character, but he does tend to act like he is the king of the island, and the only one entitled to have a scret of make a command decision. Good for Locke.

There must be some reason Claire's baby has no name. Is she afraid to name him in light of the ominous premonition by the Aussie psychic?

What a terrific show. I enjoy Lost and will sorely miss it over the summer. Thanks to all for your insights. Keep 'em coming!

 

[bengalbelle]

I just saw this week's epi tonight.

Whatever Kate's past is, it must go pretty far back. She sounded like an angst-ridden child on the tape in the time capsule. I am guessing her crime has something to do with her father. I base this on two things. First, the mother's reaction indicates some sort of fear. Secondly, almost all of these characters have father issues. I won't recount them all now, but you can probably see where this is a common theme.

How did that plane get in the safe deposit box? That was a pretty cool trick -showing us the plane on the back seat of the car as Kate flees.

I was glad to see Locke put Jack in his place a little bit. I like the Jack character, but he does tend to act like he is the king of the island, and the only one entitled to have a scret of make a command decision. Good for Locke.

There must be some reason Claire's baby has no name. Is she afraid to name him in light of the ominous premonition by the Aussie psychic?

What a terrific show. I enjoy Lost and will sorely miss it over the summer. Thanks to all for your insights. Keep 'em coming!

Good call on the father issues. Since you mentioned it I've been thinking, who on the island doesn't have a father issue? Did for sure: Walt, Locke, Jack, Sawyer, Boone and Shannon (I'm assuming due to the whole step-sibling issue), Sun, Jin (his own doing, but still an issue)
Likely father issues: Kate, Hurley (did he have a father?)
Am I forgetting anyone? I know there are survivors I didn't mention, but do we have reason to believe they have father issues?

Someone else mentioned they were getting sick of Jack's holier than thou attitude and I refrained from commenting because I know Alliecats really likes him (sorry Alliecats) but I agree, I'm sick of him and I'm also glad Locke put him in his place. Kate can exit the show too, as far as I'm concerned. I'm just not finding her interesting

Thanks for your insight too! It's always interesting.

 

[heidica]

Thought you would all like to know that there is going to be a Lost convention June 11-12 in Burbank, CA. I just got the email about it today. Here is the link for more information http://www.creationent.com/cal/lost.htm The convention is being done by Creation Entertainment which does all the big Star Trek conventions. They usually do a really good job. Creation are the pros when it comes to conventions. Wish I could go to this convention but unfortunately the date and location doesn't work for me (we leave for WDW on June 16th). The actors that play Claire, Hurley, Danielle, Ethan and Jack's father are going to be there. Also 2 of the shows exec producers. The guest are never set in stone and usually Creation is able to add people up to the day of the convention. Conventions can be kind of geeky but I think they are fun and are a great way to get some scoop. And of course meet the actors and tell them how much we love them. It would be great if some of you could go. Right now Creation is only selling their gold package tickets but usually several days before the convention and each day of the convention you can buy single day tickets. Keep checking the website for updates on who the guests will be and on what day they will be at the convention.

I will also post this on the other Lost thread.

 

[Obi-Wan Pinobi]

Impressive, Obi Wan Pinobi. You are a true Lost Jedi Master. Has anyone seen the movie Running on Empty with River Phoenix, Judd Hirsch, and Christine Lahti? That's what your theory reminds me of. It sounds very plausible to me!!!

Thanks, but I can't take credit for it. DW Lauri (a.k.a. MeanLaureen) posted that under my name while I was out for a while yesterday afternoon.

The more I think about it, though, the more it makes sense. If Kate's family was like River Phoenix's in Running on Empty or like Tim Robbins' in Arlington Road -- anti-government, survivalist, (maybe but not necessarily at first) on the run from the law -- or to use real life examples, Randy Weaver or Timothy McVeigh, many of the things we know about Kate would fit. She said her father taught her about tracking and she's good with guns*. Also, there's the matter of her mother being guarded. Dying or no, if she's a convict there's going to be a guard outside the room.

It also fits with the title of the episode, "Born To Run." She was born into a family that's on the run from the law.

Could the person she said she killed be Tom? My guess is yes. She said she killed the man she loved, and while she didn't kill him directly, she did indirectly. I'm not sure he's the person she said she married when she and Sawyer were playing the drinking game, though. Maybe she and Tom ran off and married but her family made her leave him, or maybe she was strongarmed into marrying a family associate.

In any event, I think something happened before the flashback in this episode, some Ruby Ridge or Waco showdown that caused her mother to be arrested and sent Kate on the run.

No doubt this scenario would fit Kate into the "father issues" theme without it being the cliched "abused child" plot.

* - I wonder if the producers are Styx fans, because typing this made me think of Tommy Shaw's solo song Girls With Guns

 

[GoodFairies]

Someone else mentioned they were getting sick of Jack's holier than thou attitude and I refrained from commenting because I know Alliecats really likes him (sorry Alliecats) but I agree, I'm sick of him and I'm also glad Locke put him in his place. Kate can exit the show too, as far as I'm concerned. I'm just not finding her interesting.

Yes, me.

I have never liked Jack and dislike him more and more each episode. He has a hero complex and likes to play judge, jury, and executioner.

As for Kate, I was intrigued by her very first flashback episode and now I could not care less what happens to her. She is such an unsympathetic character. I do not like how the show seems to be trying to get us to 'root' for these characters by forcing them down our throats more than the others.

No doubt this scenario would fit Kate into the "father issues" theme without it being the cliched "abused child" plot.

I keep reading this Kate abused/molested by her father theory on other Lost boards too. I wrote that if they do go with this cliche, I'll have a double of what Michael was having.

 

[marybet]

I thought Kate's mother was being guarded because they wanted to catch Kate and felt she would visit her sick mother. The guards were very quick to chase her and it just seemed like they were there for that reason.

 

[RadioNate]

What about Kate being in some survivalist cult type commune? I guess I'm just thinking about that because I knew a girl who grew up on a commune in Iowa. Maybe like that strict Mormon town that Dateline and Dr Phil did shows about. Maybe she was expected to marry an "elder" young and she killed him to get away?

I'm just throwing things out there. I like the Running on Empty stuff, weren't they underground 60's radicals.

I definately like both better than a father abuse senerio. I also think Tom is the man she 'killed.'

 

[alliecats]

Oh, Bengalbelle.

Seriously, Jack is hotty hotness. I wanna know what someone so straight-laced is doing with all the tattoos. I don't find him boring or irritating at all.
PLUS Locke also acts as judge and jury when you think about it. He didn't tell on Walt, he beat Sayid in the head because HE decided Sayid didn't need to do what he was doing, he decides what to tell and when and to whom, JUST LIKE JACK. He called Jack on it to point out Jack does it, TOO. They'd all be so screwed if Jack and/or Sayid left. They'd have a morally ambiguous leader in Locke.

 

[alliecats]

Some more thoughts...how come Locke was so surprised that Kate was a fugitive when he seemed to somehow intui that it was Claire's birthday? Is the island feeding him what it wants him to know only?
Also, so Kate was married briefly, as she told Sawyer. So was that to Tom?

 

[CourtasanSatine]

Maybe the tattoos are links for Jack?

 

[bengalbelle]

Oh, Bengalbelle.

Seriously, Jack is hotty hotness. I wanna know what someone so straight-laced is doing with all the tattoos. I don't find him boring or irritating at all.
PLUS Locke also acts as judge and jury when you think about it. He didn't tell on Walt, he beat Sayid in the head because HE decided Sayid didn't need to do what he was doing, he decides what to tell and when and to whom, JUST LIKE JACK. He called Jack on it to point out Jack does it, TOO. They'd all be so screwed if Jack and/or Sayid left. They'd have a morally ambiguous leader in Locke.

I'm sorry! I know you love him but I'm just not feeling it from Jack (or Kate). I'm starting to like Michael more than Jack . Don't hold it against me . Here's a to make up for it.

Yes, me.
I do not like how the show seems to be trying to get us to 'root' for these characters by forcing them down our throats more than the others.

Sorry GoodFairies, I couldn't remember who first said that (about Jack) but I didn't want seem as though I was posting it as my own thought.
Anyway, they do seem to be trying awfully hard to convince us think Jack is good. Hmmmm

 

[SillyMe]

Guys, I have to break the news to you. It's Sawyer who is leaving the show. Why is he leaving?

Because we are having an affair and we are running off together. That's the dream I had last night (seriously). I didn't want to wake up this morning!

 

[bengalbelle]

Guys, I have to break the news to you. It's Sawyer who is leaving the show. Why is he leaving?

Because we are having an affair and we are running off together. That's the dream I had last night (seriously). I didn't want to wake up this morning!