Lookout Cay long pier.

[John VN]

I believe they were talking about using the tram on an expanded pier. Just without a turnaround near the ship. And you can run more than one tram that way. They just couldn't have more than one tram on the pier at a time.

That's almost the same as running only one tram, though. The only improvement is that maybe you can preload the next one.

A system like the Tampa Airport Dual Tram would not need a turn-around with ALL Guests required to use it for efficiency and safety.

 

[Mags2002]

It unfortunately is what it is now. As many have stated, there were probably many options, and for whatever reason, Disney went with this one. It won’t change now (the pier I mean, not the potential for shade. I also am not sure about adding benches; I don’t think there is enough room).
Most people I have spoken to have said it wasn’t as bad as they thought. And again, accommodations are there for those that need them

 

[insureman]

I can't even IMAGINE the bellyaching that would have resulted if they'd decided to make it a tender port like Norwegian did with Great Stirrup Cay.

Disney fans are frankly never satisfied so any decision they make will result in someone complaining.

They're legitimate concerns for some people

 

[insureman]

Just don't go there if you don't like what they did.
It is like all their recent bad movies. If you don't think you will like them, don't go see them.
Why all the complaining?

As I stated in another post that's why they have ADA laws in the states. Do you tell the people in wheel chairs just don't take the bus or access a building? Just don't go there?

 

[Goofy1932]

Just don't go there if you don't like what they did.
It is like all their recent bad movies. If you don't think you will like them, don't go see them.
Why all the complaining?

I agree. That's why I'm never going to be going to this island.

 

[Lucien Franciosa]

Then why couldn't they make the pier wider and put up shade?

In terms of the local habitat, there is a difference between relocating a few pieces of coral, and a whole wide region... coral is not static rock but living organisms that exist in symbiosis with other neighboring marine life. Disney was trying to sell a minimal ecological impact plan to the Eleutheran government (and citizens). The more you change, the harder the sell, the less likely to succeed. Eleuthera was not the only area Disney looked at, the others were even more problematic. There were a lot of compromises made. I appreciate this is not the answer anyone wants to hear, and managing costs had to be a consideration of Disney, so I wont say that didn't play into it at all.

I do think Disney will work to improve the experience, maybe some shade here and there, probably more carts, and some color, but at the end of the day the pier is what we have to deal with. Or chose as some are, not to deal with (and go elsewhere).

 

[Lucien Franciosa]

As I stated in another post that's why they have ADA laws in the states. Do you tell the people in wheel chairs just don't take the bus or access a building? Just don't go there?

yeah no. No one is telling the mobility challenged not to go there. Disney has an answer for the mobility challenged so they can go there. If they do not want to deal with Disney's answer, that's not on Disney. But by and large I think the loudest disagreements are not coming from the mobility impaired, as another person said they are used to dealing with it and so so successfully, but by people expressing outrage for the fringe....people that whose disabilities may not be as apparent or quantifiable. And by people that just do not want to deal with Disney's answer, or just do not like the experience of having to walk the half mile. No one is telling the disabled not to go.

 

[MonaMN]

They're legitimate concerns for some people

Of course. But it seems to me that the other options that would have fit the bill from the agreement with Eleuthra would have been even more challenging. Like a tender port... there would have been much wailing and gnashing of teeth if people had to *gasp* wait for a tender boat instead of hopping off on their own. And there are probably even more issues for those with mobility problems or small children.

It's just hard sometimes to be a Disney fan when literally anything they do is found by some people to be utterly unacceptable for one reason or another. It becomes a whole Chicken Little/sky-is-falling all the time. Exhausting.

 

[insureman]

yeah no. No one is telling the mobility challenged not to go there. Disney has an answer for the mobility challenged so they can go there. If they do not want to deal with Disney's answer, that's not on Disney. But by and large I think the loudest disagreements are not coming from the mobility impaired, as another person said they are used to dealing with it and so so successfully, but by people expressing outrage for the fringe....people that whose disabilities may not be as apparent or quantifiable. And by people that just do not want to deal with Disney's answer, or just do not like the experience of having to walk the half mile. No one is telling the disabled not to go.

Telling people who are complaining "just don't go" is telling me and anyone that has a problem with this not to go. In twenty, thirty or fifty years from now how will you feel when someone tells you "just don't go" because you don't get around like you used to.

 

[Henlady]

Telling people who are complaining "just don't go" is telling me and anyone that has a problem with this not to go. In twenty, thirty or fifty years from now how will you feel when someone tells you "just don't go" because you don't get around like you used to.

Well, lets see…. Am 72yo. If someone told me not to go somewhere because I don’t get around like I used to, I would probably laugh in their face and tell them “child, go away “ neither you nor anyone else will tell me what I can’t or shouldn’t do. I did not get to this point to be lectured. I will do what I want and adjust accordingly as needed. If I require a little assistance I will take it. Not ashamed to ask.
As far as someone saying that if you don’t like something, don’t go. I couldn’t agree more. If something makes you this upset and angry, why would you want to go? No company is required or able to meet every person’s needs or desires. You have a choice to do something or not. If it upsets you so much, you are free to make a choice to do something that makes you happy and satisfied. That’s life in general, not just with DCL.

 

[insureman]

Well, lets see…. Am 72yo. If someone told me not to go somewhere because I don’t get around like I used to, I would probably laugh in their face and tell them “child, go away “ neither you nor anyone else will tell me what I can’t or shouldn’t do. I did not get to this point to be lectured. I will do what I want and adjust accordingly as needed. If I require a little assistance I will take it. Not ashamed to ask.
As far as someone saying that if you don’t like something, don’t go. I couldn’t agree more. If something makes you this upset and angry, why would you want to go? No company is required or able to meet every person’s needs or desires. You have a choice to do something or not. If it upsets you so much, you are free to make a choice to do something that makes you happy and satisfied. That’s life in general, not just with DCL.

Sounds like a lecture.

 

[Lucien Franciosa]

Telling people who are complaining "just don't go" is telling me and anyone that has a problem with this not to go. In twenty, thirty or fifty years from now how will you feel when someone tells you "just don't go" because you don't get around like you used to.

No it’s telling you that you have a choice. lol too funny the assumption you made. If I’m alive in 20 years I will be surprised. 30 is extremely not likely. 50 is impossible. I’m already the age i don’t get around like I used to. I just don’t make my challenges some one else’s problem, I do what I can. I accept with grace I won’t be hiking down the Grand Canyon again and my dream of running in the Boston marathon is over. They told me no with their specifications. I could complain but what would that accomplish? In this case my path is clear, if I feel the need I will talk to guest services. Disney has given us that opportunity. I don’t get why that is hard to accept. Aging is a fact of life that carries daily challenges, I don’t need to create more. But by all means rant on at the air.

 

[Lucien Franciosa]

Well, lets see…. Am 72yo. If someone told me not to go somewhere because I don’t get around like I used to, I would probably laugh in their face and tell them “child, go away “ neither you nor anyone else will tell me what I can’t or shouldn’t do. I did not get to this point to be lectured. I will do what I want and adjust accordingly as needed. If I require a little assistance I will take it. Not ashamed to ask.
As far as someone saying that if you don’t like something, don’t go. I couldn’t agree more. If something makes you this upset and angry, why would you want to go? No company is required or able to meet every person’s needs or desires. You have a choice to do something or not. If it upsets you so much, you are free to make a choice to do something that makes you happy and satisfied. That’s life in general, not just with DCL.

Any chance you are going to be at LC in September? Would love to buy you a drink and hear your story.

 

[Henlady]

Any chance you are going to be at LC in September? Would love to buy you a drink and hear your story.

Unfortunately no. I will be there in August. Can’t wait. . But thanks for the offer

 

[Cheburashka]

Why all the complaining?

Because it is now much harder to get a sailing to Castaway Cay on one of the Fab Four ships. The debut of this island took something away from the DCL experience.

Nothing wrong with complaining about something you don't like. To paraphrase your own post, if you don't like complaints, you don't have to read them...

 

[SL6827]

Because it is now much harder to get a sailing to Castaway Cay on one of the Fab Four ships. The debut of this island took something away from the DCL experience.

Nothing wrong with complaining about something you don't like. To paraphrase your own post, if you don't like complaints, you don't have to read them...

So, getting CC cruise is more difficult now? Why? What's up with that?

 

[Lucien Franciosa]

Unfortunately no. I will be there in August. Can’t wait. . But thanks for the offer

Look forward to your in person impressions.

 

[Lucien Franciosa]

Because it is now much harder to get a sailing to Castaway Cay on one of the Fab Four ships. The debut of this island took something away from the DCL experience.

Nothing wrong with complaining about something you don't like. To paraphrase your own post, if you don't like complaints, you don't have to read them...

You still making that claim? lol admire consistency but it’s just not true. They’ve added a new ship with 70 something new stops at castaway cay lol. People have tons of chances to go there lol

 

[CampbellzSoup]

we booked a Christmas cruise that goes to both islands. I will give an honest assessment when I return in December.

 

[Mommb]

So, getting CC cruise is more difficult now? Why? What's up with that?

Getting a Castaway Cay sailing on one of the older ships is more difficult because on some sailings the Magic and Dream are visiting Lookout Cay and not Castaway Cay. The Fantasy has many sailing to both islands, and the Wish and Treasure are stopping mostly at Castaway Cay. So there are still many cruises to Castaway Cay, but not on the ships some people prefer.