Looking into buying DVC resale......have some questions

sheboz

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I have recently begun looking into buying DVC resale. Wow this is very overwhelming. Can any of you dumb it down for me? Here are some of my questions.

We are a family of five DS is 11, DD is 8, DS is 20 months,
What home location would you recommend?
Do all locations have balconies?
Do all have full kitchens?
We are looking to travel every two years how many points would you recommend?
Does it make financial "sense" to use points toward a cruise?
How did you buy your resale contract?
Would you do it over again?

I have only begun reading up on this board about the DVC process, thank you for taking the time to answer any of my questions.
 
I started looking into it and ran away screaming. It does seem overwhelming!
 
I can't help you with the resale part as we bought AKL direct! Home location depends on your own needs and wants. Want to be close to Epcot? Then BCV or BWV would be good. If Magic Kingdom is more important then you should look into BLT/GFV/Poly or WL. If you like a bit of a break and want to enjoy the resort, then AKL or SSR may be your style :)

I do believe all the rooms have balconies (although I have heard of the odd room at a couple resorts that do not.)

Only the 1-bedrooms/2-bedroooms/Grand Villas have a full kitchen plus a washer/dryer Studios have a kitchenette with a small fridge, microwave, toaster and coffee maker.

How many points depends on what time of your you like to travel and also what size room you like. Here is a link to the DVC point charts so you can get an idea of how many points you would need:

http://dvcnews.com/index.php/dvc-program-85142/points-charts-29677/dvc-resorts-8689

The point requirements for cruises is quite high. However, we have done a couple cruises where we would pay points for one person and pay cash for the rest.

Would we do it again? Yes I think we would! However, we bought when our dollar was above par...with today's exchange rate I would probably be more wary!
 
Make sure you check out maintenance fees, which usually go up every year. Each resort is different and with our low dollar, it can make a huge difference. Not something I thought about when I purchased. I have only 125 points but last year, with the exchange, I paid over $800. Plus, they're payable in January, right after Christmas.

I bought at VGC because I live on the west coast. Glad I did because it's almost impossible for non-owners to book. If I were buying at WDW, I'd personally buy Beach Club or Boardwalk. I like that they're both walking distance to two parks. Some people complain about the bus service but I didn't find it a problem. Boardwalk is one of the most affordable, in terms of points required, and Beach Club has Stormalong Bay, which isn't open to anyone except BCV guests.

Home resort at WDW will really only matter if you can always book during the 7-11 month period and have just one resort you always want to stay at. At 7 months you can book any resort, if there's availability. If you can only book on short notice, DVC is probably not for you.

You are buying a "membership" so it will expire at some point. Each resort has a different expiry date, if that's important to you. This can also affect the resale price.

Cruises and other collections require a lot of points. I'm one of the people who'd rather rent my points and use the money to pay for the cruise or whatever.

I bought through The Timeshare Store and, yes, I probably would do it again. :)
 

Thank you for your responses. I will continue to do my homework and wait for the money to drop before I make any commitment.
 
Sheboz, there is a great section on these boards just for DVC. DVC MIKE has some great primers and answers alot of questions you might have, or open a whole bunch more. There is no secret formula for any family. Resale has all kinds of advantages and very few faults that effects any one. The Canadian dollar does suck but with resale you can get some deals. The pricing has gone up on resale lately, but still alot better then direct.
We have bought both contracts off resale and no issues. Ask all the questions you want.
 
I have recently begun looking into buying DVC resale. Wow this is very overwhelming. Can any of you dumb it down for me? Here are some of my questions.

We are a family of five DS is 11, DD is 8, DS is 20 months,
What home location would you recommend?

Depends on a lot of things. People have chosen OKW for larger rooms and favourable points per room ratio others have picked Saratoga Springs for access to Tree Houses while others have picked AKL and the Boardwalk to acquire standard rooms for fewer points. Myself, I picked WL since I travel to WDW at Christmas time. I also have BCV points to mix it up and be close to the Epcot area.



Do all locations have balconies

I have never stayed at a DVC unit that did'nt but not quite sure


Do all have full kitchens?

One, two and three BR units gave full kitchens


We are looking to travel every two years how many points would you recommend?

As was stated,check the points required for your choice of accommodations. I would think that 160 points would give you a 2 BR for a week every two years other than Christmas or Easter season. I would try for two 100 point contracts as they are easier to resell


Does it make financial "sense" to use points toward a cruise?

I don't see the value in it


How did you buy your resale contract?

Through a reputable Timeshare Broker


Would you do it over again?

My only regret is that I did not buy ten years earlier as I would have saved a fortune in the mid nineties. Having said all of this, I am not sure if I would purchase DVC at the current time. Re sales are going at record prices and our dollar is bad. Personally, I would rent points for your next vacation and then see what the future holds. I just feel that this is the worst possible time to purchase DVC right now. Whatever you choose, Good Luck. You will have lots of great vacations



I have only begun reading up on this board about the DVC process, thank you for taking the time to answer any of my questions.
 
One piece of advice for anyone that is thinking of buying a timeshare ownership (vacation/interval ownership). Take several years and rent points before taking the plunge. Everyone who sells will try to instill a sense of urgency in you so you will buy NOW!, but frankly when you can rent for pretty close to the price of owning, without the responsibilities that ownership entails, why would you buy?

Take your time to try the resorts over a couple of years, and if the urge is still there, go ahead and buy. We've owned (non-Disney) timeshares for many years, and we love them, but the prices for resale are exactly the same as when we bought years ago. Today's deal is tomorrow's deal too. Take your time and educate, experience, and reflect before jumping in.

ETA - I might also add that you should consider what might happen to the dollar. I have to say that this year's MF's on our 3 weeks in Orlando are looking pretty scary with a 33% increase due to dollar fluctuation. If I didn't own I wouldn't have to pay in the down years, and could vacation in Mexico where the peso is still at the same level as our C$...
 
Disclaimer - this is a long-a$s post.

What home location would you recommend?

Where do you like to stay? If there is one place that you HAVE to stay every trip, by all means buy in at that resort. However, if you are like our family and like to try all of the resorts (if possible) then buy the cheapest place where you wouldn't mind staying if nothing else is available. With so many feasible choices available, we bought SSR as we couldn't predict our touring patterns for the next 10 years let alone 60 and SSR was the best value at the time. We bought a small contract (150 points) so if we ever decide that there is one resort that we've fallen in love with, it's not as painful to add on.

It's been a couple of years since we bought our contract at SSR... it used to be a slam dunk to buy at SSR (low buy in price per point and relatively low/stable maintenance fees). Looking at the listings now, I would probably be much more tempted to buy at AKV as the value category is a great use of points that you will need your home resort advantage to book as they are typically gone before the 7 month window.

Some resorts are smaller or are impossible to book at certain times of the year. E.g. - VGC is quite small so it's tough to book there unless you own there. Forget about reliably booking at BWV or BCV during Grape & Wine unless you own there. VGF seems tough to book at any point of the year. I've read that there are some VGF owners who have had trouble booking at Xmas at their home resort due to the fixed weeks. BLT standard views are tough to get. In general, if you travel in Oct-Dec it's much tougher to book at other resorts as that is the DVC busy period for travel. If you go in the summer, it'll be a lot easier to book elsewhere although weeks with holidays/Star Wars Weekend/Marathon Weekend/March break can get busy as well.

Do all locations have balconies?
Yes? Sorry, not 100% sure. All of the ones I've seen have balconies.

Do all have full kitchens?
Since your family will need at least a 1-bed, yes. Studios have a kitchenette.

We are looking to travel every two years how many points would you recommend?
Oof... that part makes me consider if buying into DVC would make sense. If you skip a trip then you would risk having your points expire. In theory, you could buy a 100 point contract bank/borrow points and go every two years but it's risky if you have to cancel a trip and would risk losing your banked points. You can always rent them out though but I find my points are always accounted for! Also, your points requirement totally depends on your travel times during the year as different season have vastly different points requirements.

Does it make financial "sense" to use points toward a cruise?

No, never. Rent your points out and use the cash towards a cruise if anything. And you can only use points towards a cruise if you buy direct from Disney.

How did you buy your resale contract?
My wife and I looked at the points charts and figured out the size of the contract we wanted to have based on the times of year that we like to travel and which resort we wanted to buy. Then we looked at the three companies typically listed on Disboards (Fidelity, TSS, Resales DVC) to see what inventory was out there. There is also a thread titled ROFR in the purchasing DVC section which lists the price points that members are reporting for their recent contracts. IMO, this is more of a brag board where people like to brag about how great of a deal they got so don't be surprised (actually, just expect) that offering at the lowest/lower prices listed in the ROFR will be rejected because they're too low. We found a contract, haggled and settled at a mid-point. Honestly, the amount you might haggle over a buy-in price per point ($2/point for our contract was $300) is peanuts when you consider the MFs you pay, all of the flight costs, tickets, food, merchandise, etc. Literally, a drop in a pool sized Mickey shaped bucket.

We settled using a money order that I mailed to the agent. Honestly, I thought that there would be some non-resident type stuff but there were zero hiccups. I'm sure that selling is a lot more difficult re: IRS stuff but we'll cross that bridge if/when we get there!

Just read, read, read on the Disboards and use the search function to help you learn about a lot of the nuances re: banking/borrowing, 11/7 month windows, booking patterns, etc, etc, etc. It's overwhelming to start but you'll get the hang of it!

Would you do it over again?
My wife keeps trying to talk me out of going to SSR to discuss a Poly contract when we go in a few weeks. So yes, yes I would! Chances are in a few years we'll look at picking up a small Poly contract when they hit the resale market (although I'm cautiously optimistic that studios will be easy-ish to book which means we'll just take our chances using our SSR points).

I guess the final thing to add is you really REALLY have to consider your family vacation tendencies. Are you always going to be happy travelling to WDW? Are you going to be taking more vacations than you otherwise would have? There is no deal to be had if you are "saving" some money on accommodations only to blow tens of thousands of dollars on food/tickets/flights, etc. Buying into DVC isn't necessarily a magical club with sunshine and rainbows. You're locking yourself into many future WDW vacations and paying upfront for accommodations. If you guys are happy to stay in value resorts, DVC might not make sense. If you have expensive debt (credit cards, unsecured line of credits, etc) or are stretched financially, DVC might not make sense. Take a tour, consider renting points to try it out and really research the heck out of this thing before you make a very expensive plunge!
 
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Bisney thank you for your long a$$ post!! I appreciate your response!
 
I bought into DVC in 2007 with a resale contract of 60 points at Boardwalk. Epcot is my favourite place in the world, and it feels more like vacation if I don't have to wait with thousands of other tired people for a bus. So Boardwalk was it for me. My plan was to go every other year and stay in a studio with my 2 kids. (DH wasn't a Disney fan). Well before the first trip I did an add on of 40 points also at BWV direct from Disney. Since then I purchased 30 points at BLT direct, and 50 points at Beach Club resale. Before the $ tanked I was convinced I needed another 50 at Beach Club. I've travelled every year (twice one year), and my future points are always borrowed out. My point is if you love to go to WDW, then you need to beware of addonitis. It is a condition that affects DVC owners. Sometimes there is no way to reason with yourself. Fortunately the cost with the dollar at current exchange rates was like a bucket of cold water over my head. Seriously, I'm not joking, it's like an addiction. And don't forget the annual maintenance fee bill that comes just when you are trying to pay off your Christmas credit card bills.

However, whenever I think of my DVC ownership, I smile, and when I'm safely ensconced in my BWV room, the world is a happy place. That's what it gives me, joy. I think I'm not alone among DVC owners when I say there's an emotional satisfaction I get from DVC. Beyond all reason.
 
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Sheboz, there is a great section on these boards just for DVC. DVC MIKE has some great primers and answers alot of questions you might have, or open a whole bunch more. There is no secret formula for any family. Resale has all kinds of advantages and very few faults that effects any one. The Canadian dollar does suck but with resale you can get some deals. The pricing has gone up on resale lately, but still alot better then direct.
We have bought both contracts off resale and no issues. Ask all the questions you want.
Which company did you use to buy resale?
 
I have recently begun looking into buying DVC resale. Wow this is very overwhelming. Can any of you dumb it down for me? Here are some of my questions.

We are a family of five DS is 11, DD is 8, DS is 20 months,
What home location would you recommend?
Do all locations have balconies?
Do all have full kitchens?
We are looking to travel every two years how many points would you recommend?
Does it make financial "sense" to use points toward a cruise?
How did you buy your resale contract?
Would you do it over again?

I have only begun reading up on this board about the DVC process, thank you for taking the time to answer any of my questions.

Here are my responses to each of your questions:

1. Everyone has their personal values that will affect your answer. Choose a home resort where you would not mind staying there if unable to get any other resort at the 7-month mark. Having said that, I haven't had trouble getting any resort I've wanted at the 7 month mark.
With five of you, you may want to consider resorts whose 1-BR villas have two bathrooms (BLT, VGF come to mind). Especially when your kids get older this will help, and allow you to save points compared to renting a 2-BR to get 2 bathrooms.

2. All I've stayed in (8 so far) have had balconies.

3. Yes, for 1 BR and 2 BR.

4. Depends on how long you want to travel each time. We have 160 pts and on average we are able to travel for a 3-5 nights stay to WDW yearly, and be able to do a week at Aulani by banking/borrowing. You can always add more if you want to.

5. Haven't done it, but looking at the points, it doesn't look worthwhile. however you could rent your points and use the proceeds to cruise.

6. I bought direct from Disney back in 2007 when the dollar was high. However have had friends who bought resale and it was a seamless process.

7. Yup.
 
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We have not purchased, we are going to rent points and experience dvc before we commit. I appreciate any advice and comments.
 
Good idea. Take the time if you can an tour some of the resorts. Do the tour with the dvc rep, just dont commit no matter how good it sounds. But you can get a feel for the others.
 
Now that I think of it, if I was deciding now whether to buy into DVC (when prices per point are a lot higher than it was when I purchased in 2007) I would definitely go resale. From what I understand, the main disadvantage of resale is it is either harder or not possible to trade into other timeshares. If we wanted to travel elsewhere we would book direct through those resorts anyway so loss of trade value is not an issue.
 














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