Looking For Control Freaks & Worry Warts too (Part 2)

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Tim has decided we need to take a trip for our 10th anniversary. I offered up WDW. He turned that down. He wants something more adult-no kids. He is thinking a couples resort in Jamica or Mexico. I thought a qiuck trip to Vegas but he wantes something more subdued. Do you guys have any suggestions? We're looking late Oct early Nov. I'm not sure what we will do with the girls. I hate leaving them.

Hey, we're doing Disney for our 10th anniversary! :rolleyes1 But we're doing it adult style - now get your mind out of the gutter! I don't mean THAT! Although, it is our anniversary..... :love: :lmao:

Anywho, we also love Jamaica! We've been twice and we're thinking about next year again, too. It took us 5 years to get back becaue I wouldn't leave the country until I knew that Ally was old enough to explain any pain, illness, issues, to her grandparents, who kept her for the week. We love the Superclubs resorts, better than Sandals or Couples, but that's just us. The all-inclusive resort is the way to go, for sure! But just don't venture off property in Jamaica (or Mexico, or any of the other countries down that way either!) as it's very poor and a little unstable. Now we don't go anywhere near Kingston, where most of the instability is, but still.....

Renee is right about hurricane season, too. But usually by late October it's pretty much over. Yeah, I say that as I have our bags packed, ready to evacuate tomorrow as Bertha gets within 1000 miles of the US coast! Bertha just sounds mean! OK, so maybe we're not evacuating YET.... but I'm not taking any chances!


Ok, so grab a chair and let's discuss this ex issue:

Do you know how many times I have tried to "advise" him since he left five years ago? At first, I was constantly telling him what to do to give the girls what they needed. He would follow through for a couple of weeks, then resort back to his own selfish ways. It frustrated me so much, but I kept on him because I figured if I could spare the girls the pain and disappointment I needed to stay on top of him.

I was still in therapy when I first separated and I would talk to my therapist about this. You know what she said? I'm no longer responsible for his emotional relationship with his children. HE needed to take the responsibility on his own. She said it's one of the biggest problems men have when they divorce; they never realize how much they counted on their wives to keep them emotionally-connected to their children; and when they divorce, most of them are left floundering.

So, if I have this talk with butt-head, w/out telling DDs; and tell him to spend alone time with them - it's really all just fake. DD NEEDS him to WANT to spend time alone with them; I shouldn't have to tell him. And, it may make them feel better if it's just the three of them on this trip; but the truth will continue to present itself in the daily things they do when he never initiates alone time with them on his own. I can't change who he is or what he's become. It's sad but shouldn't the girls come to accept this about him?

It is this issue that stops me from having a discussion with him, once again! So what do you think now? Thanks for listening; you can now discuss and get back to me!;)

I totally understand what the therapist is saying, however, isn't that hurting Lauren and Amanda? It's not like he doesn't WANT to spend time with his girls, it sounds like he just doesn't realize what they need. I know that men are very selfish, and I think that therapist makes total sense. But just because he doesn't "get it" I think that if you just make him aware of how Lauren is feeling, maybe, just maybe.... he'll slap his forehead and say "wow, I could've had a V8!" :rotfl2: Or maybe, "Doh!" :rotfl2: Or you could just slap him! :rotfl2:

But seriously, just because he's an idiot, I would hope that he would listen and want to do something about it if he learned that Lauren was role playing having an argument with him (cause she probably doesn't want to ruin her valuable alone time with by arguing) about spending more one on one time together. KWIM?

Still feeling crappy and it's moving into my chest. So I picked up some Walgreen's brand of Mucinex. Never used it before but hopefully I can catch it before it gets bad. Plus Tylenol and Zicam. The sneezing is ending, but it's the head about to explode, now coughing, achy, yuck!!!!!

And there's nothing on TV tonight, is there? Well, maybe if I go to bed instead of DISing, I might find something. OK, Kara, go ahead and do that. But what if I miss something on the DIS? You won't - you can always go back and read tomorrow? Who are you anyway? Who me? Yeah, you! Get outta my head!!!!

OK, now that I have totally lost my mind.... I'm outta here!
 
SOrry gals, just time for a quick skim...

Ok, so grab a chair and let's discuss this ex issue:)
I definately want to weigh in on this. Give me till the am to gather my thoughts and have time to write a bit more.

So I picked up some Walgreen's brand of Mucinex. Never used it before but hopefully I can catch it before it gets bad. !
You know all that is designed for is to thin out your "secretions", so that is all it will do is make it thinner - not stop it or anything. Just wanted to tell you since you've not used it before. Hope you get to feeling better soon! :flower3:
 
Ok, so grab a chair and let's discuss this ex issue:

Do you know how many times I have tried to "advise" him since he left five years ago? At first, I was constantly telling him what to do to give the girls what they needed. He would follow through for a couple of weeks, then resort back to his own selfish ways. It frustrated me so much, but I kept on him because I figured if I could spare the girls the pain and disappointment I needed to stay on top of him.

I was still in therapy when I first separated and I would talk to my therapist about this. You know what she said? I'm no longer responsible for his emotional relationship with his children. HE needed to take the responsibility on his own. She said it's one of the biggest problems men have when they divorce; they never realize how much they counted on their wives to keep them emotionally-connected to their children; and when they divorce, most of them are left floundering.

So, if I have this talk with butt-head, w/out telling DDs; and tell him to spend alone time with them - it's really all just fake. DD NEEDS him to WANT to spend time alone with them; I shouldn't have to tell him. And, it may make them feel better if it's just the three of them on this trip; but the truth will continue to present itself in the daily things they do when he never initiates alone time with them on his own. I can't change who he is or what he's become. It's sad but shouldn't the girls come to accept this about him?

It is this issue that stops me from having a discussion with him, once again! So what do you think now? Thanks for listening; you can now discuss and get back to me!;)

Cammie, this one touched a little close to home for me, and I couldn't sleep for having "conversations" with you in my head (Debbie isn't the only one that does it - but I do it complete with smileys too! :lmao: ), so I decided to just come on up here and get it off my chest (doesn't that sound familiar...) I had this long speech prepared for you and then I more or less came to the same point that I just read from you, so I guess good for me I got there... but a little late to the game I guess....

Okay, so here is a question... are your parents still together? I say this because I can so validate a lot of your points. I was always so jealous of my friends - particularly one who had a mom that would go shopping and have "nice things that she thought Tracey would like" laying on her bed when we returned. I so longed for that... not the things, but a mom there that would really want to know what I liked and care enough to want to see me happy - be it things, attending something I was doing at school, asking how my day went, etc. So that part of me wants to scream to you to do whatever to keep Lauren from going through it, but then I come to the thought that really that is the same as lying to her. You are basically providing half a$$ed ideas for DB(dumb butt) to do for a week or two and then to go back to himself because you are right, the only people we can change are ourselves and the only power we have over people is the choice in how we let others actions affect us (a little nugget I got in therapy ;) ).

I think you are exactly right and I was exactly wrong. I think you would be a bang up mom to maybe tell Lauren during something like that although she is hurt or disappointed, her dad loves her in his own way - which is true, I'm sure, and might go miles for making your sweet BFF feel better - which is what the goal is. But you are right too that she needs to know how he is now since that is who he is. Why do parents have to be like that :confused3 but I tell you this with 100% of my heart - I've known you online for what - 6 months maybe, and I already know that your girls have one h*!! of a mom. So much so that you can easily fill those girls with more love than a lot of two parent home do - and that is something that I bet your girls know too.

Try to continue to be there for Lauren all you can because it sucks for her. It sucks that she is feeling like this. What sucks more is when you think that Amanda may be going through similar things and lacks the ability to express it - and you can't control that. Only DB can - but you as the bang up mom you are can help them deal with those feelings, to know that they are normal, and that they are two very loved little (okay, not so little anymore are they) girls.

Off to bed now - hopefully I can get some sleep. Have a great evening everyone!
 

Look what I just downloaded! I can’t wait to use this for our Disney Album!!!!

Edit - didn't show up here, but I just downloaded the Walt Disney Font. LOVE IT!
 
Okay, this is for everyone, but particularly Kara, Cammie, Laura, Debbie - our "I've never scrapbooked" ladies (well, Kara, I know you have, but you are going to WDW a zillion time so it applies to you too!).

This is a cool think I am doing that as DS says is "easy peasy!" :lmao: Do a post card album of your trips. For me - this is all trips, Kara, Cammie & Debbie - you guys could do one just Disney. Ultra simple to do. It involves on post card per trip (ideally a favorite from that trip) and a picture if you choose and then you just jot on the whole back of the card what was great about that trip. DONE! That is is - should take 2 seconds and know what - it is a great little reminder of your trips done quickly and it is something that you will always have in case you are like me and have things that always seem to stay on your "someday" list.

As far as where to contain it - I have a couple of ideas. You could find a photo album that you like that is like a brag book but it will limit you to the 4x6 postcards. What I did (and I highly suggest) is got a naked 3 ring binder from 7 Gypsies (about $4 retail) and put them in there. It is 5x7 size so it takes them all. You'd want to use copies of your pictures cause you punch 3 hole in it to contain it, or just cut 5x7 cardstock and adhere your 4x6 picture to that. A little more set-up time on the front end, but still shouldn't take more than an hour - and you all have a good friend who would be more than willing to help you out! Just a "Martha" like moment. :lmao: But I really hate to hear all of you saying that you will do things someday, because as time passes our memories fade (or at least mine does) and it sorta takes the pressure off me to do an "album" because I already have a little "hightlight" album going. Plus it is cool to pick up on a down day and get a little dose of happy!

SO... my daily two cents. :laughing:
 
That's actually a good idea, Renee! You're just full of it this morning, huh? Good ideas, that is! :rotfl:

OK, I'm feeling MUCH better! That Mucinex made it possible to sleep! A couple doses and my chest wasn't hurting so much, and the cough is much looser so it wasn't gagging me. I slept with my pillows all piled up so my head was elevated, which may have helped some, too. Still a little feverish, but nothing like yesterday. The only problem is that I couldn't fall asleep last night being propped up like that, so it was around 1am when I finally crashed!
 
Good morning ladies! Happy Hump Day! (love to mention that for our gals across the pond!:laughing: )

First of all, yea Renee :cool1: - you've added a ticker! I get so excited to see friends get one - another trip to help plan for and anticipate!

To both Kara and Renee - Thanks so much for you thoughtful responses. It's good for me to be able to vent and gather opinions from others. But I certainly don't want my problems keeping my buddies up at night. Kara - hope you got to bed early and are feeling better today.

Renee - I cracked up when I read your first post and you said you'd get back to me in the a.m.; and then you're back on an hour later! Please my issues should be keeping me up at night - not you!

Thanks for all your support though. As a mom, you want to do all you can to keep your kids from being hurt; but, unfortunately, that's not always possible. I know you mentioned, Kara, letting the ex know what Lauren wants so he can have that "V-8" moment; the thing is -- I have told him.....many, many times since he's left what he should be doing for the girls. That's why I feel like banging my head against a wall - he's heard this all before and I'm sick of having to tell him all the time. He's a grown man and shouldn't have to be constantly told. The sad reality is that he's in a very selfish place right now and he doesn't want to do what others want him to do. Doesn't mean he doesn't love his girls - he's just not being the parent they need him to be.

And it shows in every little detail. I'm talking about like just sitting down and watching a show on the Disney Channel w/them - nope, when he's in the room, it's sportscenter or Nascar. It's not my first choice to watch the Disney channel but I watch it because my girls like it. I'd rather go to a Springsteen concert, but instead I get tix to a Jonas Bros. concert because I know Lauren likes them. It's called "sacrificing what you want to do, to do what your kids want!" Another perfect example (I couldn't believe this) - he calls last night and tells DD that he, wifey, his DB,DSIL, & DNephew are going to NH to watch the Nascar races (he,brother & dad have become OBSESSED w/Nascar; I don't get it, but whatever) and he wants Lauren to come. She tells him no way, he says "why?" Lauren - "I don't want to"; Ex - "Why?" Lauren - "Because I don't"; Ex - "Why?"; Lauren finally explodes - "Because I'm not a teenage BOY, I'm a GIRL and I'm not interested!!!!"(Good girl!:thumbsup2 ) He thinks he's made the effort to do something w/her; but he's always more about getting them to do what HE wants, not him doing what THEY want. Geez - he won't even take them to a movie if it's not something he wants to see also.

Man, as I'm typing this, I'm getting more and more aggravated!:furious: One last thing I'd like to mention: Lauren's therapist and pediatrician said I need to encourage Lauren to communicate her feelings more to her dad herself; that I can't always be the one to tell him how she feels. I did it alot when she was younger but now that she's getting older, she needs to start doing this more on her own - which she hates to do though. But I really don't ever want to see my daughter EVER afraid to reveal what she's feeling. Plus, I'd think it would be more effective if the ex heard it directly from her instead of me. I think we're getting there - she's definitely getting better at telling him what she wants. But now she needs to follow through and express her disappointment when he lets her down. Like with this past trip to NYC, he knew she just wanted it to be the two of them; but then he said wifey was coming and she pretended to be ok with it.:sad2: I need to work on that.

Thanks for listening guys. Didn't mean to dominate the thread w/ my domestic issues.:flower3:
 
That's actually a good idea, Renee! You're just full of it this morning, huh? Good ideas, that is! :rotfl:

OK, I'm feeling MUCH better! That Mucinex made it possible to sleep! A couple doses and my chest wasn't hurting so much, and the cough is much looser so it wasn't gagging me. I slept with my pillows all piled up so my head was elevated, which may have helped some, too. Still a little feverish, but nothing like yesterday. The only problem is that I couldn't fall asleep last night being propped up like that, so it was around 1am when I finally crashed!
Do you have a recliner? Those work great for sleeping on nights like those. I'm glad you are feeling better, but I hate that you are calling it better because you aren't "gagging". My word! It is summer Kara, what is up with you being so sick! I hope you get to feeling much better. Rest as much as you can - and drink as much as you can. It helps the Musinex work better. You might also want to dry MusinexD (has sudafed in it) to help decongest you. :hug: POOR THING!
 
First of all, yea Renee :cool1: - you've added a ticker! I get so excited to see friends get one - another trip to help plan for and anticipate!
I KNOW. Woohoo. I've been on the fence about early May or October, but I decided to put the May ticker up. I dunno. With us doing like open -12, and then maybe 6-8pm in the parks, I'm just scared Oct might be a little more on the chilly side. Also I need those afternoons to be warm enough for swimming so one of us can take Nico while the other naps Mia. At any rate... :woohoo: A TICKER!!!!

Renee - I cracked up when I read your first post and you said you'd get back to me in the a.m.; and then you're back on an hour later! Please my issues should be keeping me up at night - not you!Don't worry too much - remeber, I told you I have sleeping issues anway. :rolleyes: It was just one of those... the more I thought about it, the more I realized that I was wrong things...;)

But now she needs to follow through and express her disappointment when he lets her down. ITA but that is hard for all of us, especially a teenager - sounds like you are encouraging her a lot which is bound to help!:thumbsup2
Thanks for listening guys. Didn't mean to dominate the thread w/ my domestic issues.:flower3:
WHATEVER, like I don't dominate with my stoller issue or whatever happens to be my buring issue de jour! :lmao: Seriously, not a problem - that is what we are here for! :grouphug:
 
Renee - Love the scrapbook idea! My mom used to do that for our family trips also; except she used to buy a ton of postcards and, instead of taking those "scenery" shots w/ our own camera, she would just use the postcards. We went to Disneyland in 1972 - half the photo album is pix of us; the other half is postcards from the parks.
 
I'm baaaaack! The coughing is out of control now! I mean big, deep coughs, oh so nasty sounding. But all that gunk is coming up (I know, TMI, huh?) so it helps me feel better. Seriously, I think it's the Mucinex. I've always just taken Robitussin, but this seems so much better!

Cammie, you sound like you've got it soooo together. I want to be like you when I grow up! ;)

Renee - when did you add that ticker? What are the dates you're looking at?

Debbie - you back yet?

Tammie - lovin your TR, but I have a question. The DIL that's not so "nice" is that the one that lives with you? No, right? Lindsay lives with you with two kids. It's the one who does NOT live with you who's difficult, right? So who are the two in the pics?

GFATP - where are you gals??? Did our 4th of July fireworks scare you off? :rotfl2:

Pam, Jillian, Laura, Whip, Tina, Keahi - hello!!!!

As our little thread keeps growing, I'm so afraid of forgetting someone!!!
 
Look what Michelle did for me for my trip with Ally in November!!!

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And just for fun......

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I think I'm gonna have her put my screen name on this one and make it my bag tag!!!
 
Hiya all,

Kara - glad you're feeling better??That mucus HAS to come out!!! LOVE the designs !!!! Anyhows.... no the July 4th didn't scare us off....I've been planning the littlest monster's party on the 14th...

p.s. she is really into monkeys so has anyone seen that one on the loose.....:) - her request to Santa last year was for a real live monkey of her very own!! Thankfully we had a "good" Santa who said he was worried since monkeys "poop" on everyone else's presents so he didn't do live ones any more....:lmao:

Cammie - I feel for you on the ex thing.... my (now dead) dad was the first man to break my heart when he left "us" .... so can see what she is going through.... I stopped loving him the day he asked if I could get my sister to NOT go to college, so he wouldn't have to pay!!!!! I saw then the man he was and didn't like it... My mother had as little to do with him as possible and I then understood why. So I agree with you, don't "sugar the pill" for her by telling him what she wants - it is best to have the true picture of those close to us... less disappointment in the long term that way. Does that sound too bitter? It wasn't meant to.....

Anyhow - doing the HSM theme for DD5 - 6 to be..... Gran (MIL) is making her cake - white icing with musical notes candles and some of the "graffiti" from the HSM2 theming written on in edible ink... Should be good - none of the cakes she makes EVER get left uneaten!!

We must be having trash week on tv again!! got it on in the background and guess what has just started!!!! Diagnosis Murder..... aaarrrrgghhhhh - remember that man's name - can I write it without any stars coming in... Di ck Van Dy ke....:rotfl:my goodness it is rubbish! We give you Hugh Laurie for House and we get him!!!! No deal!

Tessa:goodvibes
 
Kara - The designs are so cute! And I can't believe you're getting things ready for your Nov. trip already! What about the trip in Sept? Aren't you and Jeff going to wear matching t-shirts?

Lauren and I wore one set of our shirts - never wore the second set because it was too darn hot and we couldn't stand to wear anything w/sleeves! Anyway, the shirts we wore said "Mom & I take on the World". Lauren pointed out that mine should have said "Daughter and I take on the World". Duh!:headache: I didn't even realize!

Tessa - Glad to hear our celebration of independance didn't scare you off!

DD's party sounds so cute! I'd love to see a pic of the cake - before everyone digs it into of course! How many kids are invited?

Thanks for the encouraging words! Loved the term "don't sugar the pill" - :lmao: And, no, it didn't come across as bitter; just honest words from someone who's been down that road. Honestly, it's helpful to hear you and Renee post your own experiences and how you've dealt with the cards life dealt you. Both of you seem to have happy, well-adjusted lives with great families - gives me hope that my girls can have the same regardless of what type of dad they have!:thumbsup2
 
p.s. she is really into monkeys so has anyone seen that one on the loose.....:)
:rotfl2: Good one! :thumbsup2

- her request to Santa last year was for a real live monkey of her very own!! Thankfully we had a "good" Santa who said he was worried since monkeys "poop" on everyone else's presents so he didn't do live ones any more....:lmao:
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remember that man's name - can I write it without any stars coming in... Di ck Van Dy ke....:rotfl:my goodness it is rubbish! We give you Hugh Laurie for House and we get him!!!! No deal!
Hugh Laurie :love: I just don't get why they didn't let him keep the accent. :love: That is my all time favorite - that and H*ll's Kitchen..hummm.... maybe I have issues:lmao: :rotfl2:

Honestly, it's helpful to hear you and Renee post your own experiences and how you've dealt with the cards life dealt you.
You know Cammie, at some point you realize (and it is probably true for everyone) that your parents are nothing more than people who had kids. No more, no less. :confused3
Look what Michelle did for me for my trip with Ally in November!!!

I think I'm gonna have her put my screen name on this one and make it my bag tag!!!
LOve them! You know you can buy those luggage tags that Disney sends you without things in them at Target - like 6 for $5. You could just slide it in there - FYI. They are in the pen/pencil area.

Renee - when did you add that ticker? What are the dates you're looking at?
QUOTE]I'm thinking of sticking to the May ones. Early May - maybe the 2nd. I'm not sure when, but I tell you what - I honestly don't know since Easter is Mid-April if that will be more crowded or not. I've got to decide quickly. I think you can start making res in a couple weeks.
 
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