Long winded trip report from a WDW fan

pixar mark

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My wife, DD6, and I are Disney fanatics. We have been WDW annual pass holders in the past and have gone every year for a while. This is our first trip to DLR and we were very excited to come to where it all began. I have to say we had a great vacation, which included 5 days at Disney and 6 days running around Malibu, Ventura, Santa Barbara, LA, and parts in between. We did one day on Thursday the 22nd and then came back for four more days on Tue-Fri of the next week so we could avoid the 24 hour event and the weekend and holiday crowds. I know this post is very long winded, but I wanted to give you an idea of what we loved, what we didn’t, and how things compared to WDW.

Location and Parks

We stayed at Desert Inn and Suites right across the street. It’s no frills, but very adequate and for $79 a night, free breakfast, and a 5 minute walk it cannot be beat. I love the closeness compared to WDW. Also like the ease of park hopping. Almost didn’t buy it, but we ended up hopping at least twice every single day. Having DTD so close is also a big plus over WDW.
It was nice walking to the park every day and also being close to rental cars and restaurants. However, it has it’s downside in that walking by a Denny’s or a ticket broker on the way to the gate kind of felt weird compared to waking up in the middle of a whole Disney World in FL. We arrived by taxi from SNA and I didn’t feel the magic driving in. We pulled off the highway and immediately saw the back of TOT and a bunch of hotels and restaurants. I missed all the big signs at WDW and all the various Disney resorts looming on the horizon. It kind of felt like arriving at a Six Flags or something.
I never felt the parks were small compared to WDW. DCA was a little compact, but it just meant I could get from one great ride to another with minimal walking time. If I’m being honest, I found DCA to be the more charming and more manageable park compared to DL. Lines were shorter, areas were better themed, shows were better, and even way more Photopass photographers in DCA. I loved both parks, but DCA was our go-to park, especially when it got hot and unbearably crowded in Fantasyland in the afternoons.

Rides

The number and quality of rides is better in DLR than WDW, with only a few exceptions. There were so many things to do that even if one line was long, there was something else nearby that had a 5 minute wait. That was especially true in DCA.

Rides that I thought were better at DLR than WDW:

Pirates – way longer, better themed, bigger drops. One of my top 3 rides.
Small World – LOVED IT!!! Great seeing the characters in the ride. WDW could be so much improved if they just added a few of them. However, the long wait in the sun after you come out of the ride…didn’t care for that.
Space Mountain – love the loading room, the track was smooth, like the two seater cars, great soundtrack during ride. I do however like most of the queue better in WDW including the old synth music and the interactive games. Another of my favorite rides.
Teacups – love the lighting
Autopia – I hate this ride at WDW, but I kind of liked it here. Longer and better track, cars are better, felt more scenic.
Buzz Lightyear – Easier to aim the guns and to tell when you hit the targets.
Pooh – story flows better and stuff just looked more freshly painted or something
Tarzan’s Tree – liked it slightly better than Swiss Family, daughter liked the interactive stuff at end.
Fantasmic – use of the boats was a big improvement, although WDW has much better seating for this.
Tiki Room – dole whip line
Big Thunder – Wow! Super smooth ride, love the new explosions and bats. Queue at WDW is the worst for any ride. This just beats the pants off of WDW.

Rides better at WDW:

Little Mermaid – ride is same but queue is way better at WDW.
Haunted Mansion – Sorry, but I think the outside looks rather silly here. It fits architecturally, but there is nothing scary about it. The WDW building looks so much more haunted. Also, WDW has all the interactive queue games and activities. There are a few ride details better at WDW too, but this one is mostly due to the queue and exterior.
Tower of Terror – random drop sequence, moving down the hallway…DCA ride seemed short
Dumbo – dual rides and the playground
Jungle Cruise – seemed like a few scenes were missing from DL like the tunnel. Queue is horrendous at DL. We went at night and things weren’t well lit up either.
Everything else seemed to be pretty much the same at both parks.

New attractions we loved:

RSR – our favorite ride. The model of what every new ride should be…scenic, thrilling, and have a dark ride component. Plus the random choice of room at the end and the race give it re-rideability.
Redwood Creek – daughter hit this three times. Loved running around and especially liked the zip line and climbing wall
WOC – possibly the best night show I’ve seen.
Monsters Inc – one of our favorite movies and they did it justice with the ride
Aladdin show – very high production value and Genie is amazing! Rivals AK’s Finding Nemo show as the best show on property.
Mr. Lincoln – I’m from Springfield, IL, Lincoln’s home, so it was very cool to see our hometown boy and our state flag in DL. For being an old attraction, I thought it still was very moving and a classic, well done attraction.
CA Screamin – Best pure Disney roller coaster. I still like Rockin Rollercoaster at HS due to the music and darkride theme, but this one is more thrilling.
Mr. Toad and Pinocchio – old and simple (and at times odd and non-PC), but they are well themed and fun.
Casey Jr. – I didn’t care for the boats, but thought the train was pretty good due to the hills, the soundtrack, and the higher views. I had low expectations and was pleasantly surprised.
Magical Map Show – love that the princesses perform, excellent show.

Rides that I didn’t love:

Matterhorn – it’s not bad, but it’s pretty bone jarring and not too thrilling. If it were a 10 minute wait, it would be worth it. Not worth 30+ mins.
Storybrook Canal – Didn’t help that I waited an hour (see below), as it certainly wasn’t worth it. Model houses seemed too small of scale. Would have been a great little ride if everything was about 3x the size.
Indiana Jones – I’m sure this will be unpopular, but I just thought this ride was OK. Queue is amazing and the openness of the rooms were great so you could glimpse what was coming next. The sets looked amazing. My problem was with the violence of the ride. I love thrill rides, but this one was so jerky that I couldn’t even see what was going on around me due to being thrown all over the car. It didn’t need to be that rough and it just detracts from the views. Also, I didn’t really follow the story, the scenes with Jones were a bit lame, and the big boulder didn’t work the second time I rode it. I’d give it about a 6.5 out of 10, but not worthy of more than a 20 minute wait.
Snow White – It was a bad ride in WDW and it’s a bad ride in DL. Hard to follow, dark, and no resolution, not to mention old.
Roger Rabbit – wanted so bad to like this. Had daughter watch the movie beforehand. I think she enjoyed this ride but I did not. The spinning was interesting but the ride was just a series of seemingly unrelated, nonsensical scenes. The audio was garbled. I had no idea what I was looking at.
I liked everything at DCA, even Luigi’s and Goofy’s. Fun wheel was a little boring (didn’t do swinging ones) but it’s a Ferris wheel.

Food
This doesn’t cover everything I ate, but it hits the highlights…

• The Blue Bayou Monte Cristo and mint julep lived up to the hype and then some. Probably my favorite meal of the trip.

• Mickey head beignets were good but overrated in my opinion.

• Plaza Inn chicken was very good. Not the best I’ve ever had…we have good fried chicken in the South and Midwest, but very tasty. Would eat again.

• Plaza Inn breakfast was surprisingly good, especially the French toast with caramel sauce.

• The fried green tomato sandwich at Hungry Bear was interesting. I could have done with less/no sauce but it wasn’t bad.

• The pina colada churro was very tasty at DTD…better than the salted caramel which was also good. The churros were kind of hard to chew though…actually had a better churro at Santa Monica pier.

• The Hawaiian BBQ at Earl of Sandwich still the best value around. A favorite when we go to WDW.

• French Dip and the chocolate mousse cake from French Market almost tied the Monte Cristo for best meal.

• Little disappointed in the chicken tacos at RDZ. Chicken had a buffalo type sauce that was not great and a little hotter than I wanted. Love the atmosphere…let down by the food.

• Chowder in bread bowl at PWC was tasty and got to relax in the shade and catch the Pixar parade.

• Both the pork loin and the roast beef at Flo’s were solid choices.

• Red Wagon corn dog…conflicted on this one. The breading was very thick and yummy. However, it was so thick I could barely eat it and my girl couldn’t even bite it. I think my expectations were too high due to the hype. In the end, it’s just a good corndog, but a corndog all the same.

Operation of the park

This is where I found DLR flawed and quite lacking when compared to WDW. Part of it is the lack of service tunnels so that you see princesses emerging from doors in Tomorrowland, guys in coonskin hats on Mainstreet, 4 carts of cameras and lighting equipment for some shoot being trucked through the park at opening…these things are nonexistent at WDW and took me out of the magic a little. Even seeing all the CMs walking to work and walking into the park was strange, although not a huge deal. But I saw other problems too:

• Stuff just didn’t ever start on time…two shows, one parade, F!, rope drop….everything seemed to be 5 to 10 minutes late. And no, my clock wasn’t ahead of Disney’s clocks.

• Character meets that don’t have a set place were chaos. I watched Belle at the front gate try to regulate her line. She had no handler and was trying to tell people to cut the line off. They ignored her and kept coming. She was meeting one set of guests while trying to tell others not to get in line. Just have a handler out there working the lines. Also saw multiple lines form or sometimes no lines at all with people just mobbing the character. Bad system.

• Fastpass…Look, I like that DLR still has the old FP system, so that’s a plus. Also love that the parks are disconnected and that some of the rides are also disconnected. My problem is with a few of the lines. FP should take you to the loading area, or at least very near it. I think we waited almost 20-30 minutes in Indiana Jones even using FP. RSR was pretty good, as was Splash, but Space Mountain and Star Tours also took a while, and I might be forgetting something else. I think WDW has the same problems on a few rides, so it’s not a DLR criticism.

• Photopass workers were so inconsistent. Had a few great ones, one that did a 15 minute shoot with us around Cars and Bugs including lots of magic shots. But also ran into lots that gave misinformation. Almost nobody would do the magic shots but they would tell you so and so in this part of the park will do them. I go there and they won’t do them, but they say the guy I just talked to in the other land should have been able to do them. Everybody passing the buck and some say a certain shot is possible and others say it’s retired. Train the photographers please. Also had two handlers and two photographers at Mickey’s house (maybe shift change, but all seemed to be working) but then other places had none of either.

• I will say that the $69 price for Photopass is an absolute steal. We did a character meal, had about a dozen ride photos, and over 150 other shots including magic shots. It was so easy and fun to take these pics and we all got to be in them as a family. Never did this at WDW because the price is like double.

• The queues…oh man. I don’t understand the outdoor queues in the blazing sun. Yes, I understand that rain is not the problem that it is in Florida. But it was like 88 and sunny a few days and we just melted in a few lines. Plant more trees, put up canopies, something. I get that there isn’t enough space to have indoor lines, but please shade them. Plus you can tell the indoor portions are old because they are so tight, I don’t see how bigger people even fit through a few spots. Pinocchio and the upstairs of Jungle Cruise come to mind as some tight spots.

• Elsa and Anna…luckily I got there way before park open and had only a 15 minute wait. But my daughter’s main objective for this trip was to meet Elsa. Sure enough, we get in there and it’s only Anna! Come on Disney, this makes no sense that in a city full of actresses, you can’t find someone that would look reasonably similar in a wig and costume. The disappointment at a slightly off Elsa would be far less than not meeting her at all. Also, one guy actually jumped over the turnstile (after scanning his ticket) a full 5 minutes before they let people in. They yelled at him to come back, but he kept running and was first in line. Why they let him stay there is beyond me. Same with all the runners…if you played by the rules and walked you were rewarded with hours of wait. Start enforcing some rules or just line people up by the turnstiles instead of the hub.

• Ticketing is messed up too. Sometimes they scanned for your picture, sometimes not. Sometimes you needed an ID, sometimes not. Sometimes you needed a hand stamp, sometimes not. Once they checked for a stamp and ours had worn off due to swimming…they just let us in anyway. No consistency. And do stuff like exchanging vouchers, taking pics, etc at the ticket booth, not the turnstile…it slows everything down.

• Broken rides were a problem. I’m not talking about referbs. I’m talking about unplanned outages. Did my MM in Fantasyland and after hitting Matterhorn and Mr. Toad, we stood in line for Pinocchio only to be told it needed a 5-10 minute restart. After 10 mins, they said another 10. We left and went to Snow White, only to have it shut down. I went and grabbed RSR fast passes and when I returned at noon to ride that, it was down. On another day, went straight to Toy Story at rope drop only to have it down. This really screws up your plans when rides go down in the first hour and you waste low crowd time standing in a non-moving line. Also, seemed like Splash was down virtually every time I was in the area. Only rode it once out of 5 days in DL.

• Rides operating at below capacity besides high crowds. I did single rider twice on CA Screamin’. First, this is the dumbest setup with people having to take two sets of elevators to get to the loading platform. Then you get over there and get ignored as the CMs are only concerned about the regular line. They were letting cars go with one person in them while we stood and watched. We ended up having to basically walk up there ourselves when we saw an opening because the CMs weren’t paying attention. Saw lots of empty seats or even whole cars on lots of rides. That’s ok when the wait is 5 minutes…give people space to spread out. But when the line is 20+ minutes, it’s time to fill them up.

• Storybrook Canal was even worse. Went there right at 9:00 and got in what should have been about a 10 minute line had they been operating normally. But they were running only two boats. We waited in line almost an hour. Right before we boarded, they brought out three more boats and said it was their policy to not bring them out until the lines were long. Gee thanks.

Despite all of these issues, we still had a great time. I didn’t come across one bad CM, and I had several exceptional CMs. I blame policy and management for the problems, not the CMs (with maybe the exception of the single rider line issues). I don’t really know if I have a favorite park between WDW and DLR. They are different and both have strengths and weaknesses. I think there are reasons to go to both parks and enjoy them for what they are. So glad we got to come to Disneyland and hope we can return again in a few years!
 
So glad that you had a mostly positive experience. I'm also a WDW vet who became a DL fanatic. I'm glad that you loved RSR so much! Bummed that Roger Rabbit didn't do it for you.
 
Hi pixar mark!

I don't think you were long winded at all(and wouldn't have cared if you were), as I loved the feedback you gave!

I really appreciated the to the point, concise, detailed, and very fair comments!

I agree with you about so many things you pointed out!

Love that in spite of a few disappointments, that you still managed a great attitude, and had wonderful trip---Bravo!:thumbsup2
 

To be fair, I had an amazing trip and could have come up with about 10x worth of amazing, magical, fun stories and tidbits. I guess it's easier to find flaws or differences than it is to reflect on all the great things that happened. Most of the flaws I point out were merely observations...very few of them actually bothered me. I've been to WDW enough to know to always have a plan B and take things in stride. I was actually surprised how smoothly everything worked and how many attractions we did despite some large crowds. I think we averaged about 25 attractions per day. My trip was a huge success and thanks to everyone on the boards for preparing me ahead of time!
 
I agree with you that it's strange seeing CMs walking down Harbor Blvd in their uniforms after their shifts. I would think Disney would make them change out of their uniforms before leaving. They're still representing Disney when they're not working if they're in uniform.
 
We're also WDW vets planning our first DL visit, so your observations are much appreciated! Thanks!

Quick question: How "spinny" did you find Roger Rabbit? Is it similar to something like Buzz, or is it more of a Primeval Whirl type spin?
 
I agree with most of this.
I think WDW size can be both a blessing and a curse.
I think the reason ride closures are more noticeable, at DLR is that the rides are in such close proximity, where at WDW if you are at MK you wouldn't know what was down at DHS
 
We're also WDW vets planning our first DL visit, so your observations are much appreciated! Thanks!

Quick question: How "spinny" did you find Roger Rabbit? Is it similar to something like Buzz, or is it more of a Primeval Whirl type spin?

As spinny as you want it to be. There is a steering wheel that you turn to make it spin. I think it occasionally turns a bit on its own just from momentum when you turn a corner, but otherwise, very little. It's not like you are constantly spinning like teacups. I'd say your comparison to Buzz is close, since both you control the spinning and it's not the primary focus of the ride.
 
Some of the things you noticed were what struck me, too!!

The lack of character handlers and the people walking around in the wrong "lands" was totally shocking to me, too!! I felt like DL was way less staffed in general and it was quite obvious in the running of things, I though.

It makes it more like any other theme park and less what I expect from "Disney" (as a WDW vet) to me. Still fun though!!

Glad you had a good trip!
 
To be fair, I had an amazing trip and could have come up with about 10x worth of amazing, magical, fun stories and tidbits. I guess it's easier to find flaws or differences than it is to reflect on all the great things that happened. Most of the flaws I point out were merely observations...very few of them actually bothered me. I've been to WDW enough to know to always have a plan B and take things in stride. I was actually surprised how smoothly everything worked and how many attractions we did despite some large crowds. I think we averaged about 25 attractions per day. My trip was a huge success and thanks to everyone on the boards for preparing me ahead of time!

I just want to confirm this number...seriously? I'm used to maybe a dozen on a good day at WDW.

And thanks for the write-up! :goodvibes
 
Loved the report, OP! We have been going to WDW literally since the year we were born. We are looking to head to DLR for the first time in fall 2015 after a ridiculously busy WDW a month ago with a problematic tier and limited FP system. We were hot, exhausted, and didn't get to ride as much as we normally do despite base tickets (and last year, we hopped 4 parks in a day!).

It was mainly a Disney Cruise trip and the parks were just added days, but the tier system was a big disappointment. I have since learned that DLR has all our fave things PLUS new stuff, all wrapped up into a convenient easy to walk to location. Yes, it may be missing signs and it might be in the middle of a mecca, but that just causes logistical concerns at WDW that may not apply in DLR. We love the idea of getting lots of rides and not taking long to walk to them. And hopping time at WDW is a much underestimated time taker. Even going from MK to EP with the 'ease' of a monorail may mean we sit at the hotel and wait for 15 min! And don't even get me started on the LAASSST bus station from AK to EP and BUS after BUS coming for Art of Animation hotel, it easily took us over 30 min just for an EP bus to come, and I have no idea why. So yeah, hopping is a big time sucker at WDW, and I hear it takes mere minutes at DLR!

And we are looking at the week after T-giving, so hopefully super hot weather shouldn't be too much of a concern. The less rain after May's trip would also be a plus. The old FP system without giving you per day limits will be a plus, and basically whatever new things WDW did in the last year that it doesn't have, will be a plus. My next trip to WDW will be after they fix the tier problem or open Avatarland, period. So DLR, here I come!

As for characters coming and going, that is fine by me, similar to seeing them appear from doors etc on the Disney Cruises. It's actually quite thrilling to see Goofy walking in your hallway or Stitch taking the elevator with you! Shame that Belle has to manage her own crowds, they could do better about that, but sometimes the approachability would be nice without all the literal red tape that keeps you from getting close.

As far as I can tell, the only downsides sound like the fact that its in the middle of the city and less it's own entity. I can live with that, especially as it appears to offer a lot more convenience. They fit in 2 parks almost as much as what the 4 parks offer in WDW (minus Showcase, always a winner, but we have enjoyed for a few years now and is ALWAYS going to wear you out and doesn't really offer actual rides other than a few boat rides.)

One thing that does concern me is that I'm not getting much response about GF food options, which were VERY plentiful at WDW! And WONDERFUL! I hear a lot of talk of churros, but unless I want to spend my park days rolling around on the grass, it's not going to help me very much... Bring on the GF Disneyland!

Still, I'm glad to hear that you were able to ride a bunch. We were thinking 3 or 4 days at DLR and 1 at USH. Hoping since we are going 1st week of Dec (as long as the timing works out, its still too early to plan airfare or hotel but we have time for that and two Disney Rewards accounts and a delta airmiles account) that with less people the week after T-giving, we should be able to ride everything in 3 or 4 days...

Wish it wasn't 1.5 yrs away, but then again, I just got back a few weeks ago and its time to rebuild my Disney rewards and vacation budget. I'm already getting excited about my first trip to DLR!
 
Fellow WDW vet here, headed to DLR for the first time in just 9 days!! :banana:

Thank you so much for your candid, detailed post. It was a great read.

Quick question about Indy - you said it was rough, but was it more or less rough than Dinosaur? I know it's the same vehicle/track, but didn't know if the "intensity" was different. One of our party can't really be jostled around too much, but has ridden Dinosaur and was okay.

Thanks again for the great report.
 
Retro, will you spot GF options while you are there? I would have thought there would be more health conscious people in CA but I can't get anyone to comment on GF food choices...
 
Fellow WDW vet here, headed to DLR for the first time in just 9 days!! :banana:

Thank you so much for your candid, detailed post. It was a great read.

Quick question about Indy - you said it was rough, but was it more or less rough than Dinosaur? I know it's the same vehicle/track, but didn't know if the "intensity" was different. One of our party can't really be jostled around too much, but has ridden Dinosaur and was okay.

Thanks again for the great report.

I'd say it's probably the same as Dinosaur. But here is the difference to me. Dinosaur is in the dark and you usually only have one thing to look at...whatever is being spotlighted. It's more of a surprise ride so the fact that my vision is being impaired by the bumps just adds to the thrill.

Indy is very much about setting the scene. The decoration is extremely well done. You also have long sight lines when you first enter the main room. I would have liked to take it all in and enjoy it more. It's just my personal opinion. Also Indy is considered a headliner, and by some, the best ride at DL. Dinosaur is considered by most as a second tier attraction. I kind of think that's where Indy should be as well.

But in the end, the bumps didn't make me sick or anything, just detracted from my experience.
 
I just want to confirm this number...seriously? I'm used to maybe a dozen on a good day at WDW.

And thanks for the write-up! :goodvibes

Yep, I think the slowest day we might have done about 19 or 20, and a few times we did high 20s. We always did the same at MK (can't really average that at AK, EP, or HS due to lack of rides). First of all, despite my 6 year old's love for thrill rides like ToT and SM, she still likes doing things like the Bug's Land kiddie rides. Everything was nearly walk on, so we could do like 5 rides in a half hour (they are short duration as well). Little Mermaid, Pinocchio, Pooh, Fun Wheel, Teacups and others were always walk on. I always have a fast pass in hand and usually sprint to get them while wife and daughter are in line for a character meet. We did rope drop every day and two of the five days we stayed the whole day and closed down the park. The other days we took a swim break but still ended up coming back and staying late. If you are there 10-12 hours, you really only need to average 2-3 attractions per hour, so it's doable. When I see people standing in a 90 minute line for something, I just smile and shake my head as I walk past them in the fast pass line!
 
Yep, I think the slowest day we might have done about 19 or 20, and a few times we did high 20s. We always did the same at MK (can't really average that at AK, EP, or HS due to lack of rides). First of all, despite my 6 year old's love for thrill rides like ToT and SM, she still likes doing things like the Bug's Land kiddie rides. Everything was nearly walk on, so we could do like 5 rides in a half hour (they are short duration as well). Little Mermaid, Pinocchio, Pooh, Fun Wheel, Teacups and others were always walk on. I always have a fast pass in hand and usually sprint to get them while wife and daughter are in line for a character meet. We did rope drop every day and two of the five days we stayed the whole day and closed down the park. The other days we took a swim break but still ended up coming back and staying late. If you are there 10-12 hours, you really only need to average 2-3 attractions per hour, so it's doable. When I see people standing in a 90 minute line for something, I just smile and shake my head as I walk past them in the fast pass line!

Cool. Sounds like we're similar in a lot of ways. I'll be at DLR for the first time in a couple of days and your post is encouraging. I'm sure I'll face higher crowds than you did but it's good to know I have a chance at banging out at least what I'm used to at WDW.

Thanks again.
 
Cool. Sounds like we're similar in a lot of ways. I'll be at DLR for the first time in a couple of days and your post is encouraging. I'm sure I'll face higher crowds than you did but it's good to know I have a chance at banging out at least what I'm used to at WDW.

Thanks again.

I hope you enjoy your trip. I've always enjoyed reading your WDW posts and got some of my strategies from you. Follow your own advice and you will do fine out there...it's really no different than the old WDW before FP+. Some of the wait times are different though. Seeing a 20 minute line on Toy Story will make you do a double take!

My advice would be for a 5 day trip, do rope drop 3-4 of the days at DL and then run over to get RSR fast passes mid morning. DCA was a virtual ghost town compared to DL. Fantasyland after about 10-11 in the morning was just insanely busy. You don't want to be anywhere near there.
 















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