Long range RFID tracking sensors installed

[surferdave]

Would someone at disney freak if we tied our magic bands to balloons and let them fly away????

My plan is to take each of the 6-10 extra bands that Disney will have sent me before my next trip, cut them down to the sensors, and leave them on attractions, attach them to Main Street vehicles, and drop them on parade floats. Better yet, I'll disguise them as pins and pin trade with CMs who will be going in and out of shops all day.

Oh, and I hate wearing the bands anyway, so I'll be using a card.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Their number 1 priority is parting you from as much of your money as possible. Don't believe me? Look up what Disney corporate has said about FP+.

Just like all companies, world wide!

AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Would someone at disney freak if we tied our magic bands to balloons and let them fly away????

and hope after he balloon breaks and the band comes down, it doesn't hit anyone..........they will be able to know whose MB it was!


AKK

 

[Annadesu]

Do kids have magic bands? Maybe they could track your kid if they get lost on Disney property. As for knowing where I go and what I buy... Ok? I really don't' care if they know.

 

[Luvchefmic]

http://www.businessinsider.com/this...lations-about-trapwire-spying-are-true-2012-8

Please read the article you quoted It clearly states in someone's opinion they ( Mickey ) MUST be using facial recognition Then the article goes on to talk about biometrics being used, which no one is disputing, we all know that is a fact

 

[MakiraMarlena]

They cannot part you from your money without your consent. If they want to figure out new ways to convince you to CONSENT to give them your money, then that's good business I'd suppose.

 

[FutureDis]

I guess I'm not worried about it. I don't think they care so much what I as an individual do, but rather, what crowds do as a whole. Tracking movements in and out of a place allows them to better understand crowd patterns and movements, and allows them to better plan the parks and areas their guests visit. Understanding what guests are interested in, what they visit, and how long they stay in an area would be invaluable to planning. They've always done this manually, to some extent (counting people in line at a ride for example), it's just much easier to do this with technology now, and on a much larger scale than before.

On a side note, they CAN tell much more information about an individual. I work in the technology field, and everything today is about Big Data. Using this technology, they can analyze the effectiveness of any given promotion. For example, they can see, of the people who took advantage of the free dining promotion, did they spend enough in the parks to make up for the "free dining". Did they make or lose money with a given promotion. So many other things they will be able to do with the information... Nothing to worry about from a personal standpoint, but a huge deal to the business people of Disney.

 

[CFioren317]

I'm glad a couple of people overnight, including Jimmy, got my general point yesterday. Clearly, some people will back WDW tooth and nail and will not simply read what is being said. I don't know why it is people get their backs up whenever anything even remotely negative is said about WDW.

My simple point was this...and boy was it a very simple straight-forward point:

If I walk into a Downtown Disney store with a MB on, browse for 10 minutes without giving anyone my name, SSN, phone #, etc, and then walk out without buying a single thing, then Disney had better not use that information to contact me by email or by phone. That was all.

I know how websites work.
I know how cookies work.
I know how facial recognition software works.
I know that Disney rules.
I know that WDW can basically do no wrong.

But what I don't know is how anyone can be happy being spammed by phone or by email when they did not do anything more than walk into and out of a store. When I walk into Macy's, or Shop Rite, or Toys R Us, there are no facial recognition scanners there to tell them my email address or phone # by simply looking at me. They have security cameras but that film is only used when there is a problem...i.e. robbery, child abduction, etc. If you believe that those types of stores are taking those camera feeds and using facial recognition software to figure out who you are and track you leisurely browsing, then tell me who is the conspiracy theorist here? This is in essence what Disney is doing. I want to wear the MB, but I don't want it to track me outside the parks unless I actively USE IT outside the parks. Browsing in a store outside the parks is not USING IT. It's really that simple.

What's next? An chip implanted in your hand so that you don't have to even wear MBs but you can now open your hotel room door and get into the park by simply waving your bare hand in front of Mickey????? Don't laugh...I'm sure there are those who would line up to be first to get the WDW Implant Chip. It's the wave of the future

 

[mefordis]

I'm glad a couple of people overnight, including Jimmy, got my general point yesterday. Clearly, some people will back WDW tooth and nail and will not simply read what is being said. I don't know why it is people get their backs up whenever anything even remotely negative is said about WDW.

My simple point was this...and boy was it a very simple straight-forward point:

If I walk into a Downtown Disney store with a MB on, browse for 10 minutes without giving anyone my name, SSN, phone #, etc, and then walk out without buying a single thing, then Disney had better not use that information to contact me by email or by phone. That was all.

I know how websites work.
I know how cookies work.
I know how facial recognition software works.
I know that Disney rules.
I know that WDW can basically do no wrong.

But what I don't know is how anyone can be happy being spammed by phone or by email when they did not do anything more than walk into and out of a store. When I walk into Macy's, or Shop Rite, or Toys R Us, there are no facial recognition scanners there to tell them my email address or phone # by simply looking at me. They have security cameras but that film is only used when there is a problem...i.e. robbery, child abduction, etc. If you believe that those types of stores are taking those camera feeds and using facial recognition software to figure out who you are and track you leisurely browsing, then tell me who is the conspiracy theorist here? This is in essence what Disney is doing. I want to wear the MB, but I don't want it to track me outside the parks unless I actively USE IT outside the parks. Browsing in a store outside the parks is not USING IT. It's really that simple.

What's next? An chip implanted in your hand so that you don't have to even wear MBs but you can now open your hotel room door and get into the park by simply waving your bare hand in front of Mickey????? Don't laugh...I'm sure there are those who would line up to be first to get the WDW Implant Chip. It's the wave of the future

OMG this is what I was going to post yesterday! A poll asking who would opt into a chip implant. I'll bet a high % of people on these boards would opt in -- being so convenient and all. LOL! I'll take my tinfoil hat any day over having my head planted firmly....... in the sand.

 

[FutureDis]

I'm glad a couple of people overnight, including Jimmy, got my general point yesterday. Clearly, some people will back WDW tooth and nail and will not simply read what is being said. I don't know why it is people get their backs up whenever anything even remotely negative is said about WDW.

My simple point was this...and boy was it a very simple straight-forward point:

If I walk into a Downtown Disney store with a MB on, browse for 10 minutes without giving anyone my name, SSN, phone #, etc, and then walk out without buying a single thing, then Disney had better not use that information to contact me by email or by phone. That was all.

I know how websites work.
I know how cookies work.
I know how facial recognition software works.
I know that Disney rules.
I know that WDW can basically do no wrong.

But what I don't know is how anyone can be happy being spammed by phone or by email when they did not do anything more than walk into and out of a store. When I walk into Macy's, or Shop Rite, or Toys R Us, there are no facial recognition scanners there to tell them my email address or phone # by simply looking at me. They have security cameras but that film is only used when there is a problem...i.e. robbery, child abduction, etc. If you believe that those types of stores are taking those camera feeds and using facial recognition software to figure out who you are and track you leisurely browsing, then tell me who is the conspiracy theorist here? This is in essence what Disney is doing. I want to wear the MB, but I don't want it to track me outside the parks unless I actively USE IT outside the parks. Browsing in a store outside the parks is not USING IT. It's really that simple.

What's next? An chip implanted in your hand so that you don't have to even wear MBs but you can now open your hotel room door and get into the park by simply waving your bare hand in front of Mickey????? Don't laugh...I'm sure there are those who would line up to be first to get the WDW Implant Chip. It's the wave of the future

LOL - How many people on this board would change their minds about it if they knew this information would lead to a PIN code being sent to them??

 

[BuzzinDownToDisney]

I'm glad a couple of people overnight, including Jimmy, got my general point yesterday. Clearly, some people will back WDW tooth and nail and will not simply read what is being said. I don't know why it is people get their backs up whenever anything even remotely negative is said about WDW.

My simple point was this...and boy was it a very simple straight-forward point:

If I walk into a Downtown Disney store with a MB on, browse for 10 minutes without giving anyone my name, SSN, phone #, etc, and then walk out without buying a single thing, then Disney had better not use that information to contact me by email or by phone. That was all.

I know how websites work.
I know how cookies work.
I know how facial recognition software works.
I know that Disney rules.
I know that WDW can basically do no wrong.

But what I don't know is how anyone can be happy being spammed by phone or by email when they did not do anything more than walk into and out of a store. When I walk into Macy's, or Shop Rite, or Toys R Us, there are no facial recognition scanners there to tell them my email address or phone # by simply looking at me. They have security cameras but that film is only used when there is a problem...i.e. robbery, child abduction, etc. If you believe that those types of stores are taking those camera feeds and using facial recognition software to figure out who you are and track you leisurely browsing, then tell me who is the conspiracy theorist here? This is in essence what Disney is doing. I want to wear the MB, but I don't want it to track me outside the parks unless I actively USE IT outside the parks. Browsing in a store outside the parks is not USING IT. It's really that simple.

What's next? An chip implanted in your hand so that you don't have to even wear MBs but you can now open your hotel room door and get into the park by simply waving your bare hand in front of Mickey????? Don't laugh...I'm sure there are those who would line up to be first to get the WDW Implant Chip. It's the wave of the future

And my response to this is you've gotten your back up based on a hypothetical marketer hypothetically dialing your number to hypothetically ask you hypothetical questions based on the hypothetical information they've hypothetically collected on you.

I'm hardly a Disney-Can-Do-No-Wrong Guy, but I'm not ready to crucify them for something that has NEVER actually happened. I prefer to live in reality and not a world of "IF"

 

[Beer Me]

I trust Disney at least as much as any other company who collects data on me which isn't really saying a lot. Still I don't see RFID in the magic bands as being anything nefarious.

I actually find Disney's privacy policies to be spelled out clearly and in plain English which is better than most companies. I trust them to follow their policies (and the law) simply because they have so much to lose if they don't.

 

[CFioren317]

And my response to this is you've gotten your back up based on a hypothetical marketer hypothetically dialing your number to hypothetically ask you hypothetical questions based on the hypothetical information they've hypothetically collected on you.

I'm hardly a Disney-Can-Do-No-Wrong Guy, but I'm not ready to crucify them for something that has NEVER actually happened. I prefer to live in reality and not a world of "IF"

This:
"If I walk into a Downtown Disney store with a MB on, browse for 10 minutes without giving anyone my name, SSN, phone #, etc, and then walk out without buying a single thing, then Disney had better not use that information to contact me by email or by phone. "

Equals:
crucifying WDW?

Seriously ????? Wow. OK, my apologies to WDW then. Didn't mean to crucify it...I mean, it's not like it walks on water or anything, right...err......

 

[MakiraMarlena]

There's no indication right now that WDW ever intends to contact you by e-mail or phone to ask questions about your behavior in a shop. You're anticipating that it might happen but it hasn't happened yet. Do you include being offered some kind of discount like a PIN by e-mail in this, or would it just be if they tried to survey you?

If all you are saying is that you will stop going to WDW the second this happens, then it did end up getting lost in the clutter.

 

[over50visits]

Disney planners:

"We need to get everyone to wear a tracking device so we can tell exactly where they are, what routes they take, when their party splits up, what they linger over, how they spend money, what they eat. We want to identify them automatically when we take pictures so we can sell them photos whether they asked for them or not. We want to keep their buying history, and send them targeted emails before/after their visit, and targeted messages while they are at the parks with "personalized" ways to spend a lot of money.

So, how can get convince them to wear a tracker. Oh, I know! Present it as a wonderful thing to have, call it a "magic" band, make it in colors, and register it to a single person. Get them to voluntarily give us complete knowledge of their personal (name, phone, address) and credit card information, and get posters to say "I love it and I trust Disney." Convince them they aren't spending a lot of money, they are saving a lot of money by spending so much!

They will sing our praises at how much we are doing for them! How convenient it is, and they trust us with this complete snapshot of our private lives.

 

[Networth]

Please read the article you quoted It clearly states in someone's opinion they ( Mickey ) MUST be using facial recognition Then the article goes on to talk about biometrics being used, which no one is disputing, we all know that is a fact

Facial Recognition is a Biometric measurement.... Also I wasn't the OP I was simply showing that Disney does in fact use varies biometric measurements.

 

[disneyfan55]

Disney planners:

"We need to get everyone to wear a tracking device so we can tell exactly where they are, what routes they take, when their party splits up, what they linger over, how they spend money, what they eat. We want to identify them automatically when we take pictures so we can sell them photos whether they asked for them or not. We want to keep their buying history, and send them targeted emails before/after their visit, and targeted messages while they are at the parks with "personalized" ways to spend a lot of money.

So, how can get convince them to wear a tracker. Oh, I know! Present it as a wonderful thing to have, call it a "magic" band, make it in colors, and register it to a single person. Get them to voluntarily give us complete knowledge of their personal (name, phone, address) and credit card information, and get posters to say "I love it and I trust Disney." Convince them they aren't spending a lot of money, they are saving a lot of money by spending so much!

They will sing our praises at how much we are doing for them! How convenient it is, and they trust us with this complete snapshot of our private lives.

Exactly. I am thinking soon I will not be visiting. While I have an AP, I use my ID and that to enter a park and then the AP goes into an RFID blocking sleeve. I just don't like it. I want my own life to be mine and do not like to be guided along/watched/tracked. And I don't have anything to hide as some suggest if you don't want these tracking devices, I just like my life to be mine not everyones.

 

[Luvchefmic]

Facial Recognition is a Biometric measurement.... Also I wasn't the OP I was simply showing that Disney does in fact use varies biometric measurements.

Yes I know that you were not the person I asked for the source So I appreciate you trying to help That being said, isn't the biometric used referring to the finger scan only ? I still stand by according to that article there is no proof, it is only someone stating his opinion

 

[jeffbear]

Bottom line ... until Disney actually starts using micro-targeted marketing based on RFID information, or at least makes some sort of statement leading one to believe that they will, then I think we all have to take a wait and see approach.

I'm VERY concerned about privacy issues, but in general I have no problems with companies using data tracking so long as the application of that information isn't invasive.

 

[jtowntoflorida]

I'm glad a couple of people overnight, including Jimmy, got my general point yesterday. Clearly, some people will back WDW tooth and nail and will not simply read what is being said. I don't know why it is people get their backs up whenever anything even remotely negative is said about WDW.

My simple point was this...and boy was it a very simple straight-forward point:

If I walk into a Downtown Disney store with a MB on, browse for 10 minutes without giving anyone my name, SSN, phone #, etc, and then walk out without buying a single thing, then Disney had better not use that information to contact me by email or by phone. That was all.

I understood your point loud and clear. My post was simply to state that I don't feel the same way...if I go to Disney property, I know I'm submitting to their rules. Also, your post is rife with IFs. You don't know if Disney is going to do any of that, but IF they do THEN you want to opt out of their game. We're saying the exact same thing, actually: stay in if you can live with the rules, opt out if you don't. We just differ on where that opt out point is, because I don't care if I get "spammed" by Disney. Maybe someday they'll actually offer me something I want.


As for the facial recognition software in use at Disney...even though the theory in the article is they're using that for marketing purposes (which I kinda have to question, and the details/confirmation in the article were lacking) I wouldn't doubt for a second that they're not using facial recognition software for security reasons. Otherwise, how would they enforce their "bans for life" on certain guests (like this guy)...you can't rely on CMs to memorize the faces of every banned person. Additionally, I suspect that they coordinate with certain government agencies and if certain faces were to cross into Disney property, there would be an immediate response. The government gave Disney one of the largest no-fly zones over its property to protect from terrorist threats, so I can't imagine them not sharing data to stop a known or suspected terrorist from strolling in to a park.