Long range RFID tracking sensors installed

[ckergald]

Additionally, I suspect that they coordinate with certain government agencies and if certain faces were to cross into Disney property, there would be an immediate response. The government gave Disney one of the largest no-fly zones over its property to protect from terrorist threats, so I can't imagine them not sharing data to stop a known or suspected terrorist from strolling in to a park.

Many good points in your post but I highly doubt this one.

 

[thedonduck]

Additionally, I suspect that they coordinate with certain government agencies and if certain faces were to cross into Disney property, there would be an immediate response. The government gave Disney one of the largest no-fly zones over its property to protect from terrorist threats, so I can't imagine them not sharing data to stop a known or suspected terrorist from strolling in to a park.

Just wanted to point out that WDW in fact is NOT a No-Fly Zone. It is a very common misconception amongst visitors and guest, but I can assure you planes can and do fly over the parks daily.

 

[Luvchefmic]

Just wanted to point out that WDW in fact is NOT a No-Fly Zone. It is a very common misconception amongst visitors and guest, but I can assure you planes can and do fly over the parks daily.

Congress okayed for lack of a legal term a no fly zone back in 2003 There is much rumor and controversy when this comes up all over the internet re- the hows and whys of it all

It limited the distance above the property a plane could be ( I think a little over 3 miles ) This is one of those things that if you search the internet you will get many different answers and some very heated at that I have no idea if it is still in effect but it was

 

[leebee]

But what happens when Disney starts selling this information to other businesses? It seems like a reach now, but let's say you apply for health insurance. The company sees that you frequent bars and charges you a higher premium. You and I both know that you weren't in these Disney bars to drink, you were ducking in out of a storm, or listening to the dueling pianos, or checking out the atmosphere, or whatever, but data mined from Disney shows that you were in multiple bars over X number of days. Maybe you have an alcohol problem so as a health insurer, I'd better charge you a higher interest rate. I know this seems far-fetched, but it already happens at some level. If you are looking for a mortgage and fill out on-line requests for more info (not applying for an actual loan, just trying to get some idea of how much you qualify for, or what the payments might be, etc), your credit rating gets dinged, and as a result of this you pay a higher interest rate when you DO finally apply for/get a mortgage.

It's all a question of trying to figure out what'll happen in the future. Call me a conspiracy theorist, if you must, but look at social security numbers. When I was a kid/in college, you used your SS# as a unique identifier. It was your college ID number, your file number at the doctor's office, etc. Professors posted test score results on the wall by listing SS# and your grade. Heck, some states used your SS# as your driver's license number. You never thought twice about it, because it was easy, convenient, and quick to only need to know one number for access to whatever you might need in certain places. Of course, nobody ever knew there'd be an internet at some point down the road, and identity theft wasn't even a concept. Now we know better. It just seems to me that if you have the opportunity to avoid even a hypothetical situation that could have detrimental effects, it's a smart thing to do.

 

[thedonduck]

Congress okayed for lack of a legal term a no fly zone back in 2003 There is much rumor and controversy when this comes up all over the internet re- the hows and whys of it all

It limited the distance above the property a plane could be ( I think a little over 3 miles ) This is one of those things that if you search the internet you will get many different answers and some very heated at that I have no idea if it is still in effect but it was

My DH is an ATC at MCO, here is what the Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR, not a no fly fly zone) states in layman terms. There is a five mile radius around Disney that you may not fly in if you are under 3,000 ft UNLESS you are talking to the ATC. This does not mean planes and helicopters are prohibited from the area, however if they fly through they basically must have permission/be talking to someone at the MCO

But to clarify, no Disney does NOT control the airspace. The FAA has a restricted area that any air traffic must be in contact with the controllers, but there is not a "no fly" area. Commercial and private planes fly over daily.

Sorry to push this, I just get annoyed when people claim that Disney has a no fly zone when in all reality that is not true.

Edit: also, I can almost guarantee the reason for the TFR has nothing to do with safety. My best assumption is to keep the banner tow-ers and smoke writers as far away from property as possible. Which would be the reason why universal and Sea World are not granted the same restriction.

 

[Kellykins1218]

This thread could really help the economy... because of all the tin foil being bought for hats.

I'll continue to do my own research that hasn't been overshadowed by conspiracy theorists. I have yet to see anything with this program that worries me. At least not enough to stop going to Disney or to start wrapping my MB in tin foil. Then again, like I said before, private property and all that. Which I 100% support.

Now, don't get me started on stuff like net neutrality.

LOL I was just wondering if they're going to start selling tinfoil Mickey Ears

 

[Kellykins1218]

I don't see the big deal with this, they can track me on Disney property if they want. Imagine the excitement of "oh, she's shopping... AGAIN. Hey, she's in line for a Dole Whip... AGAIN. Looks like it's the goofy hat antenna topper this year". I mean seriously, what exactly am I doing on property that I need I would care if it's tracked? Will it lead to target marketing? Likely, but that's okay, my email delete button will just get a little more workout than the excessive amount it already does. The marketing could work in my favour too, maybe I'll get some discounts or target deals for my shopping pattern. I'd be good with that.

I'm hoping, that by tracking me, they find out how much I spend on property and they'll send me more pin codes!

 

[sethschroeder]

I wouldn't count on the kidnapper keeping the magic band on the kid, if he/she were kidnapped.

Also, there are Disney employees (or even a 3rd party agency) collecting that info. Can you trust the people who are working for Disney World to be 100% upstanding citizens? I don't think I do.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...o-sex-13-year-old-girl-cops-article-1.1825565

Because a band saying where someone had been will do what for this guy who wouldn't even have access to that info?

All the people scared of this tracking need to dump their cell phones and internet foorprint such as email logins and dis logins.... I would be more worried about daily tracking of that by hackers, phone company, government than I would be of disney tracking me while in site while wearing the MB.

Just make a cover to cut the long range RFID, likely something out there already.

 

[AmyB2006]

Their number 1 priority is parting you from as much of your money as possible. Don't believe me? Look up what Disney corporate has said about FP+.

Isn't this the goal of every business when you walk in their door? LOL

I don't get the "shock". Disney can track me all they want. It doesn't bother me.

 

[AmyB2006]

My DH is an ATC at MCO, here is what the Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR, not a no fly fly zone) states in layman terms. There is a five mile radius around Disney that you may not fly in if you are under 3,000 ft UNLESS you are talking to the ATC. This does not mean planes and helicopters are prohibited from the area, however if they fly through they basically must have permission/be talking to someone at the MCO

But to clarify, no Disney does NOT control the airspace. The FAA has a restricted area that any air traffic must be in contact with the controllers, but there is not a "no fly" area. Commercial and private planes fly over daily.

Sorry to push this, I just get annoyed when people claim that Disney has a no fly zone when in all reality that is not true.

Edit: also, I can almost guarantee the reason for the TFR has nothing to do with safety. My best assumption is to keep the banner tow-ers and smoke writers as far away from property as possible. Which would be the reason why universal and Sea World are not granted the same restriction.

I see smoke writers every time we're at Disney. LOL So yes, definitely not a no fly zone. My father recently retired from Orlando Executive, and he said the same thing.

 

[sethschroeder]

If I walk into a Downtown Disney store with a MB on, browse for 10 minutes without giving anyone my name, SSN, phone #, etc, and then walk out without buying a single thing, then Disney had better not use that information to contact me by email or by phone. That was all.


But what I don't know is how anyone can be happy being spammed by phone or by email when they did not do anything more than walk into and out of a store. When I walk into Macy's, or Shop Rite, or Toys R Us, there are no facial recognition scanners there to tell them my email address or phone # by simply looking at me.

So here is a suggestion, take a deep breath. Spamming for reputable businesses is not the route they want to go unless you actually want to opt in to coupons or such. Marketing is not just about pushing send on an email.... What the system will do is figure out which age group eats at Fultons at 7:30pm followed by Ghirdaldis ice cream after?

Guess what it's the 31-35 year old married couple on a trip from the northern states. Have a magic band on and that's your group now you likely have a coupon stapled to you bill as a "thank you".

With more email filtering and laws requiring you to opt out of spam emails there is less $ in that type of marketing for legitimate business. Not to mention if Disney spams you to much guess who's not wearing a MB next year because your fed up with Disney...


PS- lookup ios 8 and the new security feature to scramble your MAC address so companies such Macys can't pick up on your digital footprint being in the store... No facial scanning but your digital footprint can be tracked and that can't be altered with a scarf around your face...

 

[mom2rtk]

So here is a suggestion, take a deep breath. Spamming for reputable businesses is not the route they want to go unless you actually want to opt in to coupons or such. Marketing is not just about pushing send on an email.... What the system will do is figure out which age group eats at Fultons at 7:30pm followed by Ghirdaldis ice cream after?

Guess what it's the 31-35 year old married couple on a trip from the northern states. Have a magic band on and that's your group now you likely have a coupon stapled to you bill as a "thank you".

With more email filtering and laws requiring you to opt out of spam emails there is less $ in that type of marketing for legitimate business. Not to mention if Disney spams you to much guess who's not wearing a MB next year because your fed up with Disney...

I'm not freaked out about the magicbands. I'm sure I'll wear one next time we decide to head east. And I won't need to top off my ensemble with a pair of tin foil mickey ears.

But I'm not ready to give Disney blind faith in their usage of the data. There have already been reports of ride photos showing up in guests' inboxes when they return home, when they did nothing to request the photos. I understand there's no harm done, and they can easily delete the photos. But it does have a certain "they're following me" feel to it.

 

[thedonduck]

I see smoke writers every time we're at Disney. LOL So yes, definitely not a no fly zone. My father recently retired from Orlando Executive, and he said the same thing.

The smoke writer stay just outside the TFR radius. Usually he is over in the Kissimmee area. He has a "ministry" devoted to sky writing.

 

[bluwater]

Disney is not interested in tracking individuals - no worries. They are tracking the movement of large quantities of guests at a time....

Something like:
X number of guests were in Animal Kingdom at 9am
At noon, X% of those same guests left the park
and X% at lunch at Tusker House
and X% went to DTD

Or
X % of guests who are in MK during the day return to resort for dinner
while x% of guests who were in DHS remain in the park

Disney is making investment decisions based on guest choices and movement. The bands help Disney determine what's happening and how to invest.

It really isnt about tracking individuals. The data is in percentages of overall guests are doing this or that - not your name.

 

[sethschroeder]

I'm not freaked out about the magicbands. I'm sure I'll wear one next time we decide to head east. And I won't need to top off my ensemble with a pair of tin foil mickey ears.

But I'm not ready to give Disney blind faith in their usage of the data. There have already been reports of ride photos showing up in guests' inboxes when they return home, when they did nothing to request the photos. I understand there's no harm done, and they can easily delete the photos. But it does have a certain "they're following me" feel to it.

Okay I have let disney know, next time don't check the mickey ears though

To your point though pick your favorite chain store and its being monitored in someway at this point and will just continue to grow.

Found an article on the MAC Address for store for instance:
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8...om-mac-address-on-ios-8-goodbye-marketers.htm

 

[InMemory]

We pulled into FW and the guard scanned my husbands band. He says oh your dinner reservations are not here you took a wrong turn you need to go to WL that's a right at the next road up. It was 3:30. He said yes but Id like to go get changed and cleaned up first and I'm camping here. Said security guard then looks foolish and says ok go on in??? That bugged me. They say no personal information is connected to the bands and yet they knew where we were headed next and we were called by our names many times. What they say and what we saw are two different things.

They just want it all to be mindless... Much of the time we were shopping there were no more price tags. Just blindly shop who cares. That drove me crazy.

 

[sethschroeder]

We pulled into FW and the guard scanned my husbands band. He says oh your dinner reservations are not here you took a wrong turn you need to go to WL that's a right at the next road up. It was 3:30. He said yes but Id like to go get changed and cleaned up first and I'm camping here. Said security guard then looks foolish and says ok go on in??? That bugged me. They say no personal information is connected to the bands and yet they knew where we were headed next and we were called by our names many times. What they say and what we saw are two different things.

They just want it all to be mindless... Much of the time we were shopping there were no more price tags. Just blindly shop who cares. That drove me crazy.

Nothing is stored on the bands.

Do you think all of google is on your computer?

The data is kept in a server farm somewhere in the world... The band is just an ID tag to let them know which record to go to the server and pull.

 

[thedonduck]

We pulled into FW and the guard scanned my husbands band. He says oh your dinner reservations are not here you took a wrong turn you need to go to WL that's a right at the next road up. It was 3:30. He said yes but Id like to go get changed and cleaned up first and I'm camping here. Said security guard then looks foolish and says ok go on in??? That bugged me. They say no personal information is connected to the bands and yet they knew where we were headed next and we were called by our names many times. What they say and what we saw are two different things.

They just want it all to be mindless... Much of the time we were shopping there were no more price tags. Just blindly shop who cares. That drove me crazy.

As has been stated numerous times, your Magic band itself contains absolutely zero information beyond a code. That code can only be read a scanner linked to Disney system. If you would use a general RFID scanner you would only see a bunch of random letters. Unfortunately the gate keeper just looked at your reservation instead of where you were staying. Maybe he had been turning people around all day and was quick to judge what you needed thinking you thought you were in the correct place for dinner instead of wanting to go back to your site.

 

[mom2rtk]

Nothing is stored on the bands.

Do you think all of google is on your computer?

The data is kept in a server farm somewhere in the world... The band is just an ID tag to let them know which record to go to the server and pull.

That's really a distinction without a difference in this piece of the discussion.

 

[sethschroeder]

That's really a distinction without a difference in this piece of the discussion.

Sorry but what?