Live from Orlando (aka living like the locals)

Tuesday, 4/15: Did you all get your taxes in? We did, as did several thousand other Disney visitors it seems (or else they're all on the lam down here).

The weather forecast today was cold. No, not "a little cool" or "refreshingly mild", nope we had bone-chilling, "wish I hadn't packed only shorts and tank tops", "didn't January end like 3 MONTHS AGO?!" frigid cold. Fortunately we still had some warm weather outfits (the ones we left Maryland in 10 days ago). So we woke up, bundled ourselves in long sleeves, extrra fleece jackets and set out to brave EPCOT.

But first let me seque a bit and explain one of the reasons we haven't been doing any "God how early is it?" mornings. See Marriott has this insidious plan to turn all their guests indolent. It involves these new fangled heavenly soft mattresses and down comforters. You slip into one of their cushiony beds for a quick nap and the next thing you know you absolutely refuse to leave. Add in the fact my dad turned up the heat last night and even though I woke up at 7am, I just wasn't moving until after 9. Happy, sleepy dream time for me. No breakfast, but then who cares when you are that comfortable.

Our itinerary for the day calls for lunch at the Garden Grill in the Land. It's our only character meal and totally new restaurant for us. Now in my surfing of the DIS last night I read a pretty horrible review. I feared the worst, but at least it would get us to the busy Land pavilion in time to grab a couple FastPasses for Soarin' or jump in line after. On these long vacations, Dad and I are used to hanging in the Soarin' standby for 60 minutes. And that's what we usually see on weekdays in the off-season.

We get to EPCOT by noon and arrive at the baggage check just as a busy tram unloads. It takes us 20 minutes to get through the gates and to the Land. Along the way all we see are people. The line for Spaceship Earth goes out and around the building. People are tripping over one another in Future World. The flood of people in and out of the Land is as bad as what we saw NYE. A big sign at the door loudly announces no more FPs for the day. WHAT?! It's only noon! Easter ended 3 weeks ago. It's bone chillin' cold and just where did all these people come from?

While I check in at the Garden Grill, Dad pops down the escalator to see what the standby wait is for Soarin'. 150 minutes. Yep 2 1/2 hours for a 5 minute ride. Now we have seen long waits like this once before. Two years ago (give or take) when the ride first opened we tried to spend our last day (a Saturday) in EPCOT. The wait reached 180 minutes that day and we swore off Disney theme parks over the weekend ever since. But seeing this kinda wait on a Tuesday? Something is just not right.

Here's what the place looked like at the time... a human zoo.

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Ok, so we still have lunch at the CM working the Front Desk tells us we have just 15 minutes to wait. We get called in 10 min and head to our seat on the upper deck. Along the way we realize this restaurant spins... very slowly making 1 revolution an hour through rainforests, deserts and farm country back to the people zoo. Or waitress Karen (who speaks with a chirpy Minnie Mouse voice and is a veteran full timer) tells us she is shocked by the crowd as well. Seems all the CMs are taken by surprise since this is supposed to be a slow time of the year. We learn later that it is also Spring Break for Alabama and Upstate NY, as well as all those Brits. Oh well, they are all due to go home this weekend.

The characters include Mickey, Pluto, Chip & Dale. Some may wonder why two adults would want to visit a character meal. Well for us it is the fun banter we get to have with these guys. They always love Grandpa Mohawk's doo (below is Pluto trying to imitate it) and I give them a send up story (this time it was warning Mickey he better keep working these tables to pay for Minnie's girl's day out he sent her own). I will say the best character interaction we've ever had was at Cape May though. Garden Grill comes close.

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Our meal turns out to be a delicious family style affair of fried catfish, steak and chicken with string beans and potato chedder casserole. They are all promptly served and devoured in extra helpings. Dessert is the perfect puffed and stuffed custard strawberry tart. We consume two of those. Then we decide our plan for the day... skip EPCOT and hop a Friendship ferry to MGM. There are still several shows we didn't see yet and all are inside away from the biting cold.

So we pay our bill (DDE strikes again saving us so much we've already paid for it and then some) and scoot over to the International Gateway. It's a nice leisurely boat road of some 25 minutes, most of it Dad naps through. See, here he is at the Yacht Club.

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We arrive at MGM just as the Block Party Bash is ending on Sunset Blvd. Our first stop of the day is Lil Mermaid. Thankfully the crowds did not follow us. Even though it is a tad more crowded than Monday it's not the zoo EPCOT was. We walk right into Lil Mermaid within 5 minutes (more due to our timing coinciding with the show and parade). Our seats are direct center and I pay close attention to Ariel's singing. The gal we heard NYE was seriously offkey. This one nails "Part of Your World" and I get a lump in my throat. (Confess, who doesn't feel like a fish outa water sometimes? Plus ya gotta love a prince with a big furry dog and who's a skilled sailor to boot.)

Mermaid let's out right into the entrance to the Animation Studio so we figure why not? After all, we want to see what's new in the pipeline. We go through the little Mushu skit, study the old animation studio windows remembering when we saw Brother Bear, Mulan and Lilo & Stitch being drawn there. Our eyes go to the main attraction though... storyboards of Wall-e. There's some interesting stuff there including a futuristic cruise ship for robots. The artwork is just stunning.

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Speaking of artwork, we stop in the gift shop where I fall in love with a Thomas Kincaid painting of Cinderella's Castle. It is called "A New Day At Cinderella Castle" and costs $2500. Not having a wall (or wallet) big enough, I settle for a smaller $15 print instead. I also pick up a set of postcards with princess stainglass designs for $3 a piece. I am a sucker for Disney artwork.

By the time we exit, the High School Musical show is set to start. Dad insists on seeing it certain there are new songs for the sequel movie. He loves HSM because it is "good clean teenager fun" with good music. (Did I mention he was a rebeliious teenager at heart?) So we head to the Sorcerer Hat and the crowd has already formed. But a CM directs us to the wheelchair spot and we go single file so we don't take up too much space. (We'll do this at kiddie shows and parades when Dad can stand in the back and lots of lil' kids can just stand in front of me. It's party of the Disney sharing.)

Turns out Dad was right and HSM has all new songs from the second movie. They get the kids involved and it turns out to be a much better show than the Block Party Bash. The sun even shines despite the biting wind.

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When the show ends, we decide to take in Muppets 3D. The last time we did this was 3am NYE with only 5 people and a very tired CM in the theatre. This time, it's packed. But that adds to the fun, especially when Waldo tells us "everyone thinks I'm talking to them but I'm really talking to YOU". We stop off in the Muppets gift shop and have a big time enjoying all the funny little signs and props.

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My parents' basement with all the stuff my siblings have packed away:
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See the Mickey pants?
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We even find an oxymoron for sale: (This is why DHS is not sticking with me yet.)
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Our last stop is another ride on Star Tours, one of my favorite rides in the park. We exit after and meet a very nice lady from Alabama who got separated from her party and ended up waiting in the exit with her ECV. Seems the CMs miscommunicated and the lady's family forgot to save her a seat on the ride. So we all waited along with another CM and chitchatted about the day and our mutual fear of ToT. (My heart races just talking about the ride. Man, I am spooked.)

Dad tries to talk me into riding it just once. He'd even go through the queue with me and help me with the boarding. Instead, I notice the time (near 7:30pm) and recommend we hop the ferry back to EPCOT where we left our car. We can either catch the fireworks (again) or see if the line for Soarin' has abated any.

Luck is with us as the ferry is there just as we arrive at the dock. (This is a big improvement from the last time I used the ferry system in October when my waits were 10-15 minutes longer than the busses.) Still we hop off at Swolphin and race our scooters to the International Gateway to the delight of the crowd in the Yacht Club. (We had cheering spectators, for real.)

We get to the Land and find the wait has gone down to 65 minutes. It's far too cold to sit outside for fireworks, so we opt to ride instead. We sit in row 1 section C, but again I forget to be the last one in that row so you sit in the middle. We end up on the furthest end. Not terrible but not ideal. Along the way we meet a young girl who's taking her maiden flight but is scared. She rides dirt bikes, loves ToT and yet is afraid of Soarin'. Ah ignorant youth. (She loves the ride, btw.)

When we finish (making sure we catch the hidden Mickeys in the movie), it is 8:50pm. Dad still doesn't want to brave the cold wind, so we pop over to Seasons (another of our secret favorites) for a bowl of hot split pea soup and double chocolate cake. We hear the fireworks overhead but linger over our meal so the park has a chance to clear.

By the time we exit, the crowd has finally left. Whew! I take a side route by Innoventions and discover more LED sidewalks (can you guess where the one below is?) and we head home to our heated apartment and heavenly beds.

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Assuming I can climb out of mine early enough tomorrow, the day calls for Animal Kingdom. Weather should be a warmer 70 degrees. Hopefully the crowds will go elsewhere.

Till the next time, I hope you enjoy the report.
 
Sorry you had that cold....Grandpa looks really bundled up.

Wish I could have seen you guys racing to International Gateway:lmao:

I wish Disney would get those heavenly beds.....I think they purposely don't so we get up and go to the parks.....cause our back is hurting anyway;)

I will be printing my boarding passes for tomorrow in 15 minutes....can't wait to get there.
Looks like the weather will get hot.....looks like 80's and Sunny for the week:goodvibes
Kerri
 
Lovin' your report Brogan! Keep it comin'.

Sorry about the cold weather but if it makes you feel any better it is about 38degrees in MD right now!
 
Loving your report, BroganMc! :love:

Glad to hear you enjoyed Garden Grill - it's been one of our favorites for years (yes, even during the "new menu" debacle several years back!! :lmao:)

We were @ WDW 4/7-13. Weather was perfect - guess we came home at a good time! WHAT was up with ALL THOSE PEOPLE @ Epcot on the 15th???! :eek: Are the crowds back to "reasonable" now?

Enjoy your vacation! Thanks for sharing! :goodvibes
 

Hey, BroganMC--we were behind you in line at the boat ride in Mexico on the 10th! I thought about asking if you were on the disboards-before we left I had seen a post with a "if you see someone in an ECV (is that the right acronym?) with an older man that....(I don't remember the exact description) but then they pulled up with your boat and you were gone... so if you noticed a little boy behind you staring at grandpa mohawk....well, he wants his hair that way now :laughing:

I'm jealous that you're still there, cold weather and all! We've had a hard time coming back to "reality" this trip..
 
Those cool LED sidewalks were one of my kids' favorite things in Epcot last November. The just wanted to play with the sidewalk! Isn't it right outside the entrace for Innoventions West, across the way from the fountain?

I guess Tuesday is AM EMH at Epcot so that might have something to do with the cleaned out fastpass situation? Sounds like you made a good call going over to...that other park where you can still buy an MGM frame. It was a pretty cool frame, I must say. :thumbsup2 I never get a chance to just look at the decor in that shop - I really enjoyed your photos of it. "Chickens ONLY beyond this point." :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Thanks for keeping us updated. Next best thing to most of a month in Florida: Riding along with you and your dad on most of a month in Florida. :cloud9:
 
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These reports are the BEST!!! You are so detailed it feels as if I am with you....

THANKS, SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LET US SHARE YOUR VACATION!
 
Thanks for yet another great report! I loved that pic of you & your dad at WCC.
 
Sounds like you all are finding new stuff to do every day. We were at MGM in December and made sure to buy something that had MGM on it because we knew they would eventually replace all their memorabilia with DHS. We got one of those "clappers" that mark scenes. DS#2 took it for Share day at school the other day. We haven't made it over to DHS yet but hope to on a future trip.
 
Darn it. I'm in the Atlanra airport right now on my way to Orlando. Crowds- go home please!!!!
 
Wow, I love this thread! It's like a short, little Disney vacation.

DisFlan
 
I always absolutely love reading your trip reports. Thanks for sharing them.

Hey, is your Dad a band member of the Rolling Stones? LOL. He looks fantastic, what a character!
 
thanks again for sharing
where is the church by the way
 
Wednesday, 4/16: The Day the Crowds Did Me In...

Today saw improvement on two fronts. The weather did improve slightly (up to 72 degrees) and I managed to drag myself out of my heavenly bed. I think my dad is in league with Marriott though. Being of a mature age he wakes up at the crack of dawn and craves his privacy so much he'll do just about anything to be certain I don't wake up and start the rush out the door. This morning, he pulled up a favorite radio station on the net and started playing nice, soft, sleep-inducing classical music. (Why oh why did I have to bring those Bose speakers down with me?!)

Well to his dismay, that trick only worked until 8:15 this morning. Then I was up and beating the "get in the car" drums. According to the times guide, the Festival of the Lion King Show started at 10:30am. I was determined to get there and start our day if it killed him.

A little sidenote first relating to the parking here and a PSA for all us ramped minivan drivers. You recall how I said last week Cypress Harbour had a lot of handicapped parking? Well come Sunday we inherited 4 more cars all vying for the same spaces. One minivan (which has neither tags, placard or a wheelchair occupant) insists on parking in the one and only van accessible spot. For those of you unaware what "van accessible" means it is a spot designed with extra cross-hatches to the right (passenger) side of the vehicle. This extra space (8 feet) allows me to deploy my foldout ramp and exit/enter the vehicle in my powerchair. Without that space, I can not even get into my van to move it.

Well when we got home last night, sure enough all the HA spots were taken. So we drove further down the lot and found some regular spots. The only way to guarantee I won't be blocked out of my car the next day is to take up two regular parking spaces and hope the driver next to me doesn't misunderstand and block me in, key my car or leave me a nasty note. (I've had all but one of those things happen at home.)

When I left the apartment this morning sure enough I find the HA parking empty and the near empty regular lot full. Fortunately, there's just enough space between our van and the car parked next to us for my dad and I to both get in the vehicle.

(This is what it looks like after our ramp is deployed. Imagine me trying to rotate a 3.5 foot long wheelchair 90 degrees and up the ramp without scraping the car next to me.)

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I mention this because a lot of folks truly don't understand the needs of HA van drivers. It's so bad at home, I often decline parking in the close-up HA parking and instead pick the farthest end of a lot when I'm solo. It's just not possible for me to fix a blocked-in problem alone. So when you're using those HA spots, please have a care for those with vehicles like mine. Simply taking the spot next to the van accessible one may make a huge difference.

Ok, back to our regularly scheduled broadcast...

So we take I-4 to Animal Kingdom today. My reason being that having studied my map and knowing the roads, I discern this is still the fastest route to that end of the World. (People say SSR and OKW are so far removed, but it is AK and AKL/V that is out there.)

We arrive at the toll gates at 10:10am and it is packed. Uh oh.

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Most everyone seems to be staying on property and waving those little parking vouchers. I wave my AP and we round the corner following the blue line. (BTW, kudos to Disney for repainting all the blue lines to the parking lots. Even Magic Kingdom's line got a fresh coat in the last 6 months.) We pass full parking lot after parking lot as our hopes for a less crowded day fade. Fortunately, there's still plenty of HA parking (even the van accessible kind).

Now of all the parks I visited by bus and personal van, I have to say AK is by far the best done with your own transport. Especially if that's transport with a HA vehicle. The HA lot is closer to the gates than the bus lot and there's usually tons of room. Plus if you're coming from SSR, the busses all stop at Blizzard Beach first adding another 10 minutes to your journey. So if you're like me, drive to AK. (Just be sure to save me a spot please.)

When we exit the van the sun is shining but it's still a bit chilly. So we don our warm jackets and realize Lion King starts in 15 minutes. YIKES!

Ok, let the racing begin. I beat dad to the parking poles but we tie at the baggage check. (We both make the mad dash to beat the unloading parking tram.) Baggage check and ticketing takes a lot less time today. Many adults get sidetracked at the entrance when little kids scream to go meet Baloo and the other characters out signing that morning. Dad grabs the maps and schedules and I make a beeline for Camp Minnie-Mickey.

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As we round the corner (and several gawking pedestrians... AK is the one park when people just stop dead in the middle of nowhere and shout "Look up there!" It's a wonder they all don't fall like dominoes.) a cast member (and fellow wheelie) shouts "2 minutes to Lion King" and "Go speedy go!". Yay, we wheelies unite!

The CMs usher us inside just as the 4 singers are revving up the crowd. We're shown the Giraffe section (new for us) and I pull out my camera. Now we've seen this show so many times over the years, even seeing it as a Broadway production, but it just never gets old. I love the outrageous colorful costumes. The closeness to the performers (I'm always careful my feet are tucked under lest the stilt-dancers trip into my lap) and the stirring music just makes this a great way to begin a day at Animal Kingdom. One of my favorite parts of the show is when they get the kids involved in a dance around the makeshift stage. I've always wanted my nieces and nephews to be one of those kids. They could sit right up front with me in the wheelchair section. Alas, whenever I try to arrange it their moms always seem to have other plans that day.

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Anyway, after the show we're feeling the African spirit so we decide to head onto safari.
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The crowd is just something we've decided to deal with for the day.

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Kilamanjaro Safari's has a standby time of 65 minutes that chases many folks away. For my dad and I, the biggest wait comes at the wheelchair loading bay. Anyone who makes it just past the video screens and sees a beeline of people being pulled out a side gate, don't assume they are jumping the line. Actually you are led into a special wheelchair boarding bay where you wait your turn. Trucks can take one wheelchair occupant and only one. Today, there is a line of 7. Those who can transfer have it the easiest since they just park and climb in. But for me, that means I wait for the next available truck. (Usually they have about 2-3 running so it's about 5-10 minutes wait per truck.)

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I learned a little secret on my December trip. African animals LOVE the cold. If it's a cool day, go on safari and everyone will be out and about... even the nocturnal lions. Our safari sees some of the most animals ever, including a savannah full of antelope, cattle, deer and other creatures. We're stopped for a few minutes by a pelican who decides the road really belongs to him and all the newbie passengers are amazed these creatures aren't afraid of the trucks. (Not when they learn the trucks will always stop and wait for them.) My dad snatches the camera away from me to snap pictures so all of these are his. How did he do?

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I do notice one thing about the safari. What happened to Little Red & Big Red? They've changed the poacher script and now it's just a nameless baby elephant who gets saved. I realize I miss my kitschy Little Red story. :(

When our two weeks ends, we realize we're really very hungry. My mad dash out the door did not leave time for breakfast. Dad's dipped into his emergency ration of cheese crackers, but I refuse to resort to the packet of peanut M&Ms in my purse. I want real food. So we consult the map to refresh our memories on what food is here. There are tuna and turkey sandwiches in Africa, burgers and hot dogs everywhere, but what I'm itching to try is the new Yak & Yeti. I've made ADRs for next week when I plan to return for EMH so we try the counter service.

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Dad is not thrilled because he "doesn't really care for Chinese food". Seems a lot of folk share his ambivalence as they walk up, peruse the menu and then walk away looking for a plain ol' American hot dog or burger. Ick! Where's the adventure people?

I order crispy honey chicken and Dad makes a meal of pork rolls and chicken fried rice. We hunt for a table (every last one was taken outside the cafe) and find one in a quiet corner overlooking the river.

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It turns out to be a nice place until I realize we're in the smoking section. I must have held my nose through almost the entire meal. Still the wind is blowing and the smoke just adds to the ambience, or so my dad claims. To his amazement he loves his Asian food and declares his pork rolls the best he's ever had. (Good news for our sit down meal next week.)

The crowd is starting to get to me so I suggest we head up to the Conservation Station. Along the way CMs are ushering people inside for the next Flights of Wonder show. Being good followers we dutifully obey and end up with seats off to the right center. As bird shows go, it's one of the better ones. Alas the singing parrot (Groucho?) is not performing today by the math-counting one stumps a mortified 10 yo boy who can't say 4 quick enough. (This bird only knows the number 4, BTW.) The only thing that truly annoys me about this show are all the people who stream out just as it's ending, right in the middle of the big flying finale. I can never get over how rude some folks can be.

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Dad and I cotinue our trek to Africa where I find another little byway that takes you away from the main path and into a scenic lagoon area. It makes a nice respite from the crowd.

When we get to the train station, Dad and I are separated as always. He in one car with his scooter and me in another with my chair. This can wreak havoc on busy days and without a plan, but Dad and I are getting good at not losing each other (unless we want to). Unfortunately, the train is also crowded. Seems no matter what we do, we just can't shake people.

We head up to the Conservation center where the talking trash can has gathered another crowd. But this one is more fun as kids trip over each other trying to figure out what's inside (trash) and how a trash can can talk. I spend my time trying to find the guy talking into his hand but he's no where to be found.

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The sun has finally started to warm things up so Dad and I splurge on our first frozen Mickey. Then we head into the center where some little seen characters are signing autographs: Pocohontas and Jiminy Cricket. I can't resist stopping for a picture with the 5 foot tall cricket.

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Our plan then was to hang out until parade time when everyone left. But by 3:30 we're both tired and really just sick of all the people. Plus I've been having back aches all day and my medicine is not working. Factor in the litany of screaming animals on the bathroom soundtrack, and I've got a headache growing. I do stop to read the bathroom "Scoop about Poop" signs in the stall and learn elephants have the largest poop and boa constrictors can go 3 weeks being constipated. Fascinating stuff they tech you at Disney. But I really didn't need to learn Hippos wag their tail so they can spray it about and fertilize the riverbeds. That's just gross.

So feeling sleepy and annoyed, Dad and I decide we're best just heading back to our villa and chilling. I have dinner ressies scheduled at Boma's at 7:15pm. It's now 3:45 and we figure maybe we can beat the parade.

Alas by the time we get the train, the parade has begun. Even chilling in a gift shop leaves a mound of people to traverse to the crowd. By the time we get to the van and back home it is 5:30pm. If we'd been staying at SSR, I woulda been in my villa napping by then.

On the bright side, there's lots of parking here and I really didn't need to eat at Boma's again. Instead I remember someone telling me I need to try Boma's for breakfast. So I call up Disney Dining and see if they have anything for tomorrow. (We hadn't schedule anything then anyway.) They have room at 10:45am. Yes, a nice late breakfast when the crowd goes away to the parks. We're thinking we'll try mini golf tomorrow after and then see where the wind blows us.

As for tonight, we have lots of leftovers and this Cypress apartment is really comfy to just relax.
 
Another great update! :goodvibes The crowds are amazing, I hope they go home soon so you can have a little more room in the parks :upsidedow
 
Those cool LED sidewalks were one of my kids' favorite things in Epcot last November. The just wanted to play with the sidewalk! Isn't it right outside the entrace for Innoventions West, across the way from the fountain?

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.

I still remember the first time I saw these sparkle sidewalks. About 10 years ago when my dad was pushing me outa the park in an old push chair along with the Great EPCOT Exodus. Like many stroller kids, my view was of backsides, feet and sidewalk. When you suddenly see little sparkles light up down there it's like a touch of magic. This is why kids suddenly plant their feet on the ground and stop mom & dad cold. (I did it too and I was a big kid.) Disney Imagineers are my favorite people because they do this kinda stuff all the time. Find a place where someone may be looking and is not feeling magic then give them a little pixie dust.

Thanks for keeping us updated. Next best thing to most of a month in Florida: Riding along with you and your dad on most of a month in Florida. :cloud9:

Thanks. I'm glad you're enjoying my little virtual ride.

Hey, BroganMC--we were behind you in line at the boat ride in Mexico on the 10th! I thought about asking if you were on the disboards-before we left I had seen a post with a "if you see someone in an ECV (is that the right acronym?) with an older man that....(I don't remember the exact description) but then they pulled up with your boat and you were gone... so if you noticed a little boy behind you staring at grandpa mohawk....well, he wants his hair that way now :laughing:

I think I remember hearing a little voice call out "Look, he's got a mohawk" but in truth I hear a lot of that each day. My dad gets a big kick out of it too. He's been photographed so many times I feel like his character handler (or promoter). At EPCOT last night we were zooming to the parking lot when I hear a lady shout "Hey sir, sir, SIR!" and stop my dad. She came from Alabama and just had to get a picture.

Tell you're son my dad says "No matter what mom says, get a mohawk. Boys look really good with one."

BTW, be sure your son knows my dad was a straight A student, has a PhD in Pharmacy (making him an egghead scientist) and a business owner. He's as straight-laced as they come. The mohawk is his little bit of fun. Not the drop-out hippie punk rocker you'd imagine from that spikey hairstyle. That's what's so cool about Grandpa Mohawk.

Oh and a sidenote to all you folks headed down over the next week. If you do spot us two characters, just call out Grandpa Mohawk or Broganmc if you wanna say hello. Don't be shy. We aren't. :love:
 
I'm really enjoying your live reports. Reading them is ALMOST as good as being there myself! THANK YOU!

Donna
 
Loving your reports! Grampa Mohawk took some great pictures on safari - it's almost like being there. Thanks so much for taking the time to post these...and, btw, I LOVE your purse! :rotfl:
 
The cake is guaranteed to add 5 pounds to your waste....

hmmmm, perhaps that should be added to the "scoop about poop" wall?
;)

i don't use an ECV (mom & dad do, but they won't be with us for our may trip), am 5'3" (so under 6' but over 4':confused3 ), am not a child (most of the time;) ), so the super secret MK fireworks viewing area is off limits (tho i'm hoping for lesser crowds in 2 weeks so we'll finally venture to stay in MK for the fireworks). i know it's difficult enough to see "events" from an ECV ~ certainly would not want to contribute to the problem :) .

btw, ty for the info about the side room needed for HA vans. it's an excellent point that i don't think many (myself included:guilty: ) realized.

really enjoying the TR ~ keep it coming:thumbsup2
 



















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