Line Cutting

[YodaGirl]

You forgot pool hopping!!

Oh and put me in for the under on 10.5

How silly of me to forget that!

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Now insert the following comments and we'll be all done:

1. You're at Disney! Stop whining!

2. I'll flatten anyone who tries this!

3. We block the aisle to keep anyone getting past!

4. I have no problem with this.

5. I have a big problem with this.

6. I have NEVER seen this happen at Disney!

7. I'm just so happy to be there I don't even notice the line cutters.


hmm...I might have forgotten a few...I'll get back to you.

We just returned this past Sunday from 10 nights at WDW. We spent 8 days in the parks themselves plus two more days at the waterparks.

We rarely waited long in any standby lines as we used FP's, but we did experience an occasional single person trying to catch up with their family. Not a big deal to us as it was so rare. We also experienced those who liked to try to jump ahead once you were in the holding rooms. It's kind of amusing to watch those people try to jump ahead so they can ride a few seconds earlier than you.

What we did experience which we thought was rude, was several families who walked up to a photopass photographer or a character when there was already a queue for that photographer/character. At SWW, people would walk up to a character even though there was a 30 minute line to the side. On those occassions, the handler would politely point them to the end of the line and I heard one Mom tell her son "I guess they want us to wait in line". I guess she thought they were special. We experienced it even more with photopass photographers as a family would push through ours to give their card to the photographer ahead of our group of 7. Only on one occasion did I speak up as the photopass photographer knew what happened and he was apologizing to us. I said loud enough for the extremely rude family to hear, "No problem, it's not your fault when others are rude." In addition to cutting, the Mom kept wanting different poses - with and without Mickey ears, toddler in stoller and not in stroller, pictures with just the kids, just the parents and with the whole family. She was having her family go through a whole portrait setting after she had so aggressively pushed in front of us to get her pictures. She seemed completely unaware that we and another family had been waiting before she arrived.

In the grand scheme of things, it wasn't that big a deal and didn't ruin our day. We actually thought it was quite amusing that people can be so oblivious or even uncaring. We saw a teenage girl later that same day wearing a shirt that said "I DON'T CARE". We laughed at that and commented among ourselves that it was the appropriate shirt for the photopass Mom we had experienced a couple of hours earlier.

 

[Wadecool]

Seriously? Come on. You and I both know that it's not necessary to shove people in order to catch up with his/her family. No one is advocating people being shoved down, which I'm sure you're well aware of.



Indeed.

DIS was so quiet there for a couple of days. Then all of a sudden, we had mug, stroller, and now line cutter threads all in one day. We just need a FP thread, and we'd be all set!

I hate to disagree with my KY neighbor. Part of what the OP was complaining about was someone forcefully moving her to cut in line, so I'm pretty sure that what the PP (Poohrulz) posted which you were replying to in bold is very relevant and is a foundational element of this thread.

 

[okeydokey]

Yes it would be considered cutting. DH is also our FP runner. We wait at the entrance and enter together.

Denise in MI

This is what we do. I would never enter a line and expect others to let him pass to catch up with us.

 

[ModernArtist]

I know that there have been reports of CMs patrolling, but I've never seen this (we've eaten at Cosmic Rays on occasion, and we frequent Pecos Bill's). I guess we've just not been there during the right times. Obviously, I would follow whatever the CM said without arguing.

We ate at Cosmic Rays around 11am on Memorial Day. There were 2 CMs at each entrance to the dining room. They were only letting people in with food. This would have been fine except for 2 reasons:
1.) It was half empty! Plenty of tables. No need for the crowd control at this point.
2.) they were actually assigning tables to people! Telling you where to sit.

So my party ended up getting separated. My daughter and her boyfriend who ordered from a different counter were sat on the other side of the room from us. I thought it was kinda funny. I'm sure if she had told the CM she was with us it would have been fine, but she is shy and avoids confrontation. We just waved across the room at each other.
I had never seen or heard of this before and did not see it at any other counter service places the rest of the week.

 

[YodaGirl]

I hate to disagree with my KY neighbor. Part of what the OP was complaining about was someone forcefully moving her to cut in line, so I'm pretty sure that what the PP (Poohrulz) posted which you were replying to in bold is very relevant and is a foundational element of this thread.

I can see what you're saying. I suppose that it could be taken both ways.

It seemed to me, however, that Poohrulz was taking a situation and exaggerating it to try and make a point.

The OP (Stitches) mentions that:

In one case, I was resting my hand on one of the bars that separates lines and a guy lifted my arm so he could push through!

While I do agree that is inappropriate behavior, I think it falls short of the scenario that Poohrulz suggested:

So when kids are knocked down and people are yelled at...you're good with that? I don't have a problem with a parent/child meeting up with another parent/child if they had to leave the line, but don't put your hands on me to raise my arm and you definitely do not want to touch my child, especially to push him out of the way.

It was my understanding that when ccudmore commented...

I'll be the dissenting voice and say that I don't have a problem with someone catching up with someone in line. I've never done it but if someone does it I gladly let them through. It has such a negligible impact on my day and hopefully allows someone to ride with someone they care about - it's not worth worrying about.

that (s)he was referring more to these scenarios:

The main experience we had was seeing people step past us or step under ropes ahead of us to join others. We also had multiple sets of teenage girls step past us (at separate times) saying they were looking for their mom.

rather than the one scenario. I think that these scenarios tend to be the most common. I know that I've seen the occasional person trying to catch up in line, but I've never seen someone bully/push their way through. I'm sure it happens; I just don't think that it's as common as a problem.

 

[YodaGirl]

We ate at Cosmic Rays around 11am on Memorial Day. There were 2 CMs at each entrance to the dining room. They were only letting people in with food. This would have been fine except for 2 reasons:
1.) It was half empty! Plenty of tables. No need for the crowd control at this point.
2.) they were actually assigning tables to people! Telling you where to sit.

So my party ended up getting separated. My daughter and her boyfriend who ordered from a different counter were sat on the other side of the room from us. I thought it was kinda funny. I'm sure if she had told the CM she was with us it would have been fine, but she is shy and avoids confrontation. We just waved across the room at each other.
I had never seen or heard of this before and did not see it at any other counter service places the rest of the week.

Okay. That's a little odd. I can see if it's really crowded that they would have a CM "patrolling". Maybe they were gearing up for the lunch rush?

Assigning seats seems to be a bit overboard, though.

 

[Wadecool]

I can see what you're saying. I suppose that it could be taken both ways.

It seemed to me, however, that Poohrulz was taking a situation and exaggerating it to try and make a point.

The OP (Stitches) mentions that:


While I do agree that is inappropriate behavior, I think it falls short of the scenario that Poohrulz suggested:


It was my understanding that when ccudmore commented...


that (s)he was referring more to these scenarios:


rather than the one scenario. I think that these scenarios tend to be the most common. I know that I've seen the occasional person trying to catch up in line, but I've never seen someone bully/push their way through. I'm sure it
happens; I just don't think that it's as common as a problem.

I think Poohrulz was responding to a combination of the first 2 posts in this thread. The first post refers to being forcibly moved, and the second refers to being pushed and yelled at. I also would tend to agree with your thinking that someone bulldozing their way through the line would be a relatively rare occurrence. But, if we are to believe the first 2 posters, it does happen and ultimately where this whole thread began. So if someone wants to post on this thread (before it's closed) about the fistfight they either witnessed or were involved in while waiting in line for Dumbo, while it may be a rare occurrence, it apparently does happen and is certainly not out of place here.

 

[YodaGirl]

I think Poohrulz was responding to a combination of the first 2 posts in this thread. The first post refers to being forcibly moved, and the second refers to being pushed and yelled at. I also would tend to agree with your thinking that someone bulldozing their way through the line would be a relatively rare occurrence. But, if we are to believe the first 2 posters, it does happen and ultimately where this whole thread began. So if someone wants to post on this thread (before it's closed) about the fistfight they either witnessed or were involved in while waiting in line for Dumbo, while it may be a rare occurrence, it apparently does happen and is certainly not out of place here.

I assumed that the line bulldozing didn't actually happen to the poster, and that the comment was directed more so as an invented scenario devised as an inflammatory comment. It was all in the way it was phrased.

But, you're right. Everyone has the right to add what they feel is pertinent to the conversation. It just struck me wrong. Perhaps I misunderstood his/her intentions.

 

[Wadecool]

I assumed that the line bulldozing didn't actually happen to the poster, and that the comment was directed more so as an invented scenario devised as an inflammatory comment. It was all in the way it was phrased.

But, you're right. Everyone has the right to add what they feel is pertinent to the conversation. It just struck me wrong. Perhaps I misunderstood his/her intentions.

I will wholeheartedly agree with you on you point that on occasion people do tend to throw out wild, far fetched scenarios in these threads, and it's not helpful. I was just under the impression that the situations described here were actual occurrences. Who knows, right? Oh well, back to the Casey Anthony trial...

 

[anonymousegirl]

The most blantant line cutting I've encountered in twenty trips was at California Adventure early May 2010. In a long line for TSMM (no FP in California) and these two girls jump a chain rope with about two thirds of the line behind me. They have two beers in their hands and when I asked them why they just cut in front of me, they said,

wait for it . . .

"Oh, we were already in line and this was where we were at when we left"
(please note they were not joining anyone in line).

I politely told them they were not in front of me and they "allowed" me to move ahead of them. I hoped the family behind me and the forty other families behind them would also have the guts to speak up, but no. So the gals muttered trash talk behind me until I got pulled to the front as a single rider.

 

[YodaGirl]

Oh well, back to the Casey Anthony trial...

There's a thread for that over on the Community Board.

Of course, I do try to refrain from posting over there. People think that it gets heated in line cutter threads...

 

[DisneyScraps]

I have used it as a way to teach my daughter manners. Others might push but we don't. We will get there eventually. There is nothing we need to be rude about it.

 

[Wadecool]

There's a thread for that over on the Community Board.

Of course, I do try to refrain from posting over there. People think that it gets heated in line cutter threads...

I'm all over that thread, and the only arguing going on in that one is not whether Casey killed her daughter, but how. Now the thread about leaving kids unattended in a vehicle, that's another story...

 

[GinnyEmma]

Forgotten from the list...

Bets on how long the thread lasts

And the popcorn smiley.

 

[VAN]

We also experienced those who liked to try to jump ahead once you were in the holding rooms. It's kind of amusing to watch those people try to jump ahead so they can ride a few seconds earlier than you.

Oh, so you're one of those people who try to stay in a "line" for the holding rooms instead of "once you are in the room, please fill in all available space." I usually excuse these people as they must be on the attraction for the first time; however, you are suppose to FILL IN ALL THE AVAILABLE SPACE so that as many people as possible can enter the holding room.

But I'm glad you found amusement in this ....

 

[DisGirl819]

I haven't read the whole thread but one incident comes to my mind. We were in DL in line for Dumbo. We watched three men (in their 20s), one by one, climb the hill behind the line and jump over the metal bars for the line and get in line "with" the lady in front of us. She told us she didn't know them and she told a CM. They were removed from the ride and security was called. That is the most blatant line cutting I've ever seen.

 

[GinnyEmma]

Oh, so you're one of those people who try to stay in a "line" for the holding rooms instead of "once you are in the room, please fill in all available space." I usually excuse these people as they must be on the attraction for the first time; however, you are suppose to FILL IN ALL THE AVAILABLE SPACE so that as many people as possible can enter the holding room.

But I'm glad you found amusement in this ....

In theory squishing through others is still in bad taste. We've had people inch through even though we had moved to fill the space. Or they sqquish one in and grab their buddies, separating other families.

 

[hookedonears]

Maybe I am going to upset a few. But, I always get in line and order food and drinks while my family grabs a table. To the people in line, I am sure they are glad that only one person is in front of them. It makes the ordering process so much easier. It would take longer to place the order, keep track of the kids, pay for the meal, clean up the spilled drink, etc. I don't see it as my family is cutting in line by grabbing a table. If this offends you, then I am sorry. It just makes more sense to me.

Uuuuuuuuuuuuh, there's more than 2 options of to stand in line or to go get a table. Your party waits to the side while one or more people order (depending on how large your party is), and once you get your food, your party goes and finds a table. That's how it's supposed to work. You don't all have to stand in line. You can be looking for empty tables while you wait.

 

[brookmey]

I don't have a problem with a parent and child returning from the restroom. Or even one person getting in line with there group, whether they were in line to begin with or not. I personaly don't have a problem with a family getting in line and a fast pass runner joining them.

My problem is with one person running ahead to get in line and then the rest of the group/family of 5 or so joining them. Thats where the problem is too me.

Same here

No one wants to make a scene in a line, especially when your children are there, because life is too short and Disney is supposed to be the happiest place on earth. Cast members assigned to the attractions just need to start watching more closely, and politely telling anyone attempting to pass some one in line, to go to the back of the line.

Pick your battles, and for many, line cutting may not be a battle worth fighting. It might bug me a little bit, but I go to Disney to get away from drama, and I have no intention of getting involved in drama there unless I have to, like if someone knocks over my kids.

But I'm pretty lucky because I have a secret weapon against line cutters. DH is 6'7", 280 pounds and played defensive tackle for a well-known college football program. The kids and I stand in front of him and once he stakes his spot in line, there is no one getting past him! And in the 5 trips we've had together since we've been married, there have only been 2 occasions where a group of teenagers or young adults tried to push rudely past him and he never budged. He told them that if they had a problem and needed to move ahead in line, then they needed to take it up with the CM. None of them said a word and they stopped trying to get past him.