line cutting

[d-r]

I'm sorry lady, but a man putting his hand in my wife's face and yelling "NO" as she was trying to move to the place the cast member told her to go, and putting his body in front of her to attempt to force her to not pass is *exactly* physical intimidation. That is exactly what it is. No, nobody has a right to physically threaten another person. No they do not have a right to "not let you in front of them." This guy wasn't in any position of authority. Maybe I've missed something in the bill of rights, but I've missed this whole right to physically threaten people over a perceived slight in a line.

 

[Wadecool]

That was me, and that was my wife I was talking about.

Look. It is a THEME park. A place for children and families to have fun. Sometimes things happen. Sometimes a kid skips under a rail, or whatever. You know what, it isn't a big deal. You are waiting in line for a children's ride. Get it? It is a playground. It is a park. It isn't life or death guard your personal space for an amusement park ride.

But what is serious is someone physically threatening my family, in any context. I'll take that seriously. You mentioned "a threat of violence" as if I made one, but I didn't. I said the guys day would be ruined, and I mentioned the lady that spent 90 days in jail after assaulting someone she "thought" was passing her at the tea cup cue (you know how the cue fills all space). Look. If for some reason you ever find yourself between me and one of my children
and you think you aren't going to let me pass then yes, your day will be
ruined. You have absolutely NO right to prevent me from getting to my child -
a pitiful egocentric concern about a space in a line at a theme park aside - you
will find out what a jail cell looks like. Does that really make common sense
and common decency to you to think you have some "right" to physically
separate a parent separated from their child??

No you don't. No you absolutely do NOT have some "right" to prevent someone
from passing you You are not law enforcement. You have no ESP. You do not
have any idea what the situation might be. You may think you have some
special entitlement to quickly judge people and physically threaten them, but
you don't. You have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to say "you should not be apart
from your family." You would have no idea what the situation was. Who do you
think you are?? You aren't the boss of disney world, that's who you are
not. And if anyone physically threatens my wife or children
at disney world or anywhere else they will be arrested.

"As long as he didn't hit you no big deal" - look, you physically block my wife
and child, and you'll be thinking of what a big deal it is that afternoon in the
orlando jail, pal. I don't care what you do in "the city" you won't be physically
threatening my family. Not going to happen.

Now look who's making the threats?? I counted several threats of incarceration there. Who do you think you are? But, the million dollar question is "are you separated from your family because you intentionally chose to do so?". If the answer is yes, then all bets are off. If you're off getting fast passes or whatever and just think you're going to slide on by me, .... 1) if being apart from your family was of such great concern, you shouldn't have left them in the first place, and 2) you will just wait til the end of the que to be reunited with them, plain and simple. No one is going to push or shove or otherwise be aggressive with you in my group, you simply will not be allowed to pass. Now, if you choose to climb this mountain, then you sir or madam would be the aggressor, and it would ultimately be to no avail anyway. Who do I think I am? In this instance, I'm the person between you and whoever you're trying to cut line to reach.

 

[Hannathy]

No you don't. No you absolutely do NOT have some "right" to prevent someone from passing you You are not law enforcement. You have no ESP. You do not have any idea what the situation might be. You may think you have some special entitlement to quickly judge people and physically threaten them, but you don't. You have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to say "you should not be apart from your family." You would have no idea what the situation was. Who do you think you are?? You aren't the boss of disney world, that's who you are not. And if anyone physically threatens my wife or children at disney world or anywhere else they will be arrested.

"As long as he didn't hit you no big deal" - look, you physically block my wife and child, and you'll be thinking of what a big deal it is that afternoon in the orlando jail, pal. I don't care what you do in "the city" you won't be physically threatening my family. Not going to happen.

Wow you like to talk tough don't you? I find it humorous.

Sorry but if I have no right to not let someone pass me, you have no right to pass me!
I wouldn't physically touch you so no I would not be arrested. arrested for what?
the police wouldn't be arresting me for standing in your way and probably laughing at you getting all worked up when we didn't let you cut the line. Like they have nothing better to do. and you would probably have a better chance of being arrested because you are the one who would have to be shoving me out of your way if I'm just standing there.

Here's a hint stay together in the line and no one will have any problems.

 

[OandA]

Well this thread has taken a drastic turn over the past hour or so.

It went from friendly bantering between people of different beliefs to someone threatening the bring their wrath down upon others.

Thank you guy who takes things too far!

 

[KellyNY]

Blue is mine.

If for some reason you ever find yourself between me and one of my children and you think you aren't going to let me pass then yes, your day will be ruined. You have absolutely NO right to prevent me from getting to my child - a pitiful egocentric concern about a space in a line at a theme park aside - you will find out what a jail cell looks like. Does that really make common sense and common decency to you to think you have some "right" to physically separate a parent separated from their child??

Really, someone just magically appeared between you and your kid and srpead his hands holding you apart or started a fight? physically holding a person would be if someone put his hands around you, physically holding you in a spot, not the same as not letting someone cut but simply standing there. So if you start problems, you will find out what cell looks like as you will be the one to get physical to break your way.

No you don't. No you absolutely do NOT have some "right" to prevent someone from passing you You are not law enforcement. You have no ESP. You do not have any idea what the situation might be. You may think you have some special entitlement to quickly judge people and physically threaten them, but you don't. You have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to say "you should not be apart from your family." You would have no idea what the situation was. Who do you think you are?? You aren't the boss of disney world, that's who you are not. And if anyone physically threatens my wife or children at disney world or anywhere else they will be arrested.
Wow, who cares what your situation is. As you said, it is just a playground, not a life/ death situation. Rule is simple, you join the line at the end, period. You have situation, let CM know, ask for assistance to get to where your family is. You do not have to tell people why you need to cut them but they do not have let you unless CM tells so, simple rule of line and a right everyone has.
Getting physical is a totally different story and whoever starts it is a jerk but do not think that you can get physical with someone because they do not let you cut, oh, sorry "physically separating you", c'mon, who do you think can get scared from this intimidating speach.

 

[Love Tink]

Oh, I don't know. Sure, d-r may have gone over the top.

But the things some people say on here are just so ridiculous, it is enough to drive anyone past the breaking point.

Is being at a theme park an excuse to stop acting like a reasonable, compassionate human being? (i.e. "Everyone has a right not to let you infront of them and not to listen/take in consideration any stories/excuses.") People aren't robots.

I generally assume that most of the talk in threads like this is just that - talk. Because adults in the real world just don't act like this - like everyone around them is the enemy. Get over yourself.

 

[d-r]

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[disneyquestions]

I don't know whats going on in this last page here... but heres what I think...
I can't stand it!!! And I don't buy the "ooh, I was putting the stroller away, my family is up there waiting for me." bit. I may let that slide, but when we put strollers in the stroller parking, we do it as a family. Why should half the family get on line and the other half not?? I just don't get that, and its just as bad as the HUGE STINKY party of 10 that cut infront of us in Epcot. DH never wants to say anything, hes not confrontational. I am. Of course they didn't speak English so they didn't know what I was saying..... yeah, right. I was born at night, but not last night!!!!

 

[Disney Von Drake]

People that are overweight tend to leave too much “personal” space between them and the other people in front. I guess it’s because of their big size that they leave a space into which two normal sized people could easily fit. Overweight people, due to their excess girth, can’t really move as quickly as normal folks. When the line starts to move, normal folks tend to fill in the available space in a timely manner. It takes obese people more time to get their robust torsos moving and they don’t do turns in the queue switchbacks very well either. As a result they tend to fall back in line and I guess some perceive that they have been victims of line cutters.

 

[Wadecool]

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I'm sorry that you cannot grasp the concept of "threats" or "aggression", but just because you don't, does not mean that you are right by default. Something about ignorance of the law is no excuse comes to mind. If I'm standing still and you try to push me out of the way, how exactly am I the aggressor? I never threatened you, I just simply said that you would not pass by me in line. That is a long way from a threat. Again, if you want to avoid any problems with your line cutting, how about staying with you family from beginning to end?

 

[kaligal]

There are more and more line cutters as time goes on and people figure out that it is totally allowed at Disney.

I actually heard a guy talking to his wife behind me while getting FPs one day. He was stating that since everyone else cuts in line that from now on, she'll get in line while he gets FPs and he'll catch up with her.

He makes a good point.

Maybe it is time that everyone just abandon waiting their turn. Have to stop with a kid or a stroller or for a FP or to pee or whatever? Just go on through. There is no reason for everyone to get in line together when the rest of the party can just move through the line.

Hell, don't feel like waiting like all the chumps who think that lines are there for a reason? Go on through. You sure won't be the first.

I think I'm going to start just moving right on through the line. If someone says, "no," then I'll have to wait my turn...but otherwise, there is really no reason not to cut.

 

[CTmommyx3]

I don't know whats going on in this last page here... but heres what I think...
I can't stand it!!! And I don't buy the "ooh, I was putting the stroller away, my family is up there waiting for me." bit. I may let that slide, but when we put strollers in the stroller parking, we do it as a family. Why should half the family get on line and the other half not?? I just don't get that, and its just as bad as the HUGE STINKY party of 10 that cut infront of us in Epcot. DH never wants to say anything, hes not confrontational. I am. Of course they didn't speak English so they didn't know what I was saying..... yeah, right. I was born at night, but not last night!!!!

as far as me posting me parking the stroller, i truly did not know it was a huge no no or would cause people to insult anyone for being a line cutter. i did not send my party in line and keep half my family to park the stroller. i headed toward where everyone else was going for tsm, then found out that this was indeed the line all the way down the street and then i was asking the lady near us where was stroller parking , can i park closer or where. she then said i should go back up and park it. i did just that not thinking i was commiting as some of you feel a felony. she had no issue with telling me where to run back and park it, if it was to cause such a horror in my judgement or that i would have commited a disney crime i would have skipped the ride and let them ride. i was 1 person and i had 4 waiting and i did not have to make anyone move to get back with the family. my God i simply posted something i noticed that happend on our disney trip. maybe that is not what this board is for anymore it seems. i was also cut at a different park when GASP all 3 of the riders were together so is that okay to be mad about seeing i had not parked the stroller. really had i known that when i headed down the street i would then just happen in line and not go find the line i would have had us stop and park it and head together. in all the times we have gone i have never parked it and had the family go ahead. also i have never had one of us do a fp run and try to join

 

[Hannathy]

Grown men who threaten women and put their hands in their face isn't acceptable here. And if I'd been there I'd have had words with that guy.

What your wife as a grown women can't handle her own problems? She needs you to speak for her? How about just adults, it doesn't matter man or woman, geeze. would it have mattered if it were a woman? And I still say so what if they yelled at you. if you are in the right ignore them, if you aren't then they are justified to yell.


Thanks I needed a laugh today and your posturing and threats have given it to me. I just love how you are the only right one in the situation and everyone else is wrong for not letting you do exactly as you and your family (who must be the only ones at Disney or at least that count) want.

People in line do not need to let people thru unless directed to by a CM. and in the case of the man who didn't want to , yes he should have but he evidently didn't hear the CM -bad on the CM's part- and had probably been cut in front of several times and had had enough. If your little child slipped in front of people I'm positive people would let them come back thru the line to you no problem. Actually if they were 36 people would let them come back thru the line to you. And no one has said a thing about not letting someone's small child not come back to them. But no one needs to let you in front of them what ever your reason.

 

[KellyNY]

M'am. They are talking about physically separating a parent from a child. My daughter is three, my son is seven "As you said, it is just a playground, not a life/ death situation. " so yeah, I think that physically separating me from kids would be a big situation.

And this is what you will tell a judge after you decide to get physical with someone.

 

[MelissathePooh]

I'm sorry that you cannot grasp the concept of "threats" or "aggression", but just because you don't, does not mean that you are right by default. Something about ignorance of the law is no excuse. If I'm standing still and you try to push me out of the way, how exactly am I the aggressor? I never threatened you, I just simply said that you would not pass. That is a long way from a threat. Again, if you want to avoid any problems with your line cutting, how about staying with you family from beginning to end?

We do. It was a particularly bad experience that day. Whether someone thinks it should be no big deal at all because the guy didn't physically touch me, it really did upset me - which upset my husband. I was only trying to do what the CM asked me to do.

I can think of a handful of times we got separated and didn't mean to - usually merging into a large opening of a queue like IASW - we were single file coming from one side and another group coming from the other direction. We're probably the most peaceable family you'll find at Disney in terms of lines and themeparks. We often do split up because our kids like different things, but we do not try and rejoin in a same attraction line.

 

[disneyquestions]

as far as me posting me parking the stroller, i truly did not know it was a huge no no or would cause people to insult anyone for being a line cutter. i did not send my party in line and keep half my family to park the stroller. i headed toward where everyone else was going for tsm, then found out that this was indeed the line all the way down the street and then i was asking the lady near us where was stroller parking , can i park closer or where. she then said i should go back up and park it. i did just that not thinking i was commiting as some of you feel a felony. she had no issue with telling me where to run back and park it, if it was to cause such a horror in my judgement or that i would have commited a disney crime i would have skipped the ride and let them ride. i was 1 person and i had 4 waiting and i did not have to make anyone move to get back with the family. my God i simply posted something i noticed that happend on our disney trip. maybe that is not what this board is for anymore it seems. i was also cut at a different park when GASP all 3 of the riders were together so is that okay to be mad about seeing i had not parked the stroller. really had i known that when i headed down the street i would then just happen in line and not go find the line i would have had us stop and park it and head together. in all the times we have gone i have never parked it and had the family go ahead. also i have never had one of us do a fp run and try to join

OMG chill! I didn't read your post, and have no idea what you said - I was not directing anything at you personally. However, I still stand with my opinion - people who send their group to a line while they do something else, be it putting the stroller away, or going to the bathroom or what have you, I still don't like it. We stay together as a family, and get on line as a family. If something happened, like my youngest DD had to, all of the sudden, go to the bathroom right before we got on line, or as we were waiting in line, and I had to take her, when we were done, I wouldn't look for my party and get back in, I would get in the back of line. Maybe thats just me

 

[Wadecool]

We do. It was a particularly bad experience that day. Whether someone thinks it should be no big deal at all because the guy didn't physically touch me, it really did upset me - which upset my husband. I was only trying to do what the CM asked me to do.

I can think of a handful of times we got separated and didn't mean to - usually merging into a large opening of a queue like IASW - we were single file coming from one side and another group coming from the other direction. We're probably the most peaceable family you'll find at Disney in terms of lines and themeparks. We often do split up because our kids like different things, but we do not try and rejoin in a same attraction line.

Melissa, my last post wasn't directed at you at all. I think considering your situation you described, you had every right to be upset. I was, however, directly my last post at "dr" who seems intent on "whoopin" anybody who gets in his way, and then sending them to jail for their trouble.

 

[Disney Von Drake]

Cutting the line is an art form unto itself. With the right finesse, you can go from the back to the front of the line very quickly. It’s best just to walk briskly past all the people and if someone gets in your way just announce, “Excuse me, I need to get through. I’m not here for the attraction but rather to retrieve my Walther PPK. I dropped it out of the holster near the front of the queue about 10 minutes ago. M is going to kill me if I loose that thing again!” Then just continue to push forward. Works every time.

 

[larryz]

OK, I see it's time for the prophetic

 

[MelissathePooh]

Melissa, my last post wasn't directed at you at all. I think considering your situation you described, you had every right to be upset. I was, however, directly my last post at "dr" who seems intent on "whoopin" anybody who gets in his way, and then sending them to jail for their trouble.

That is one of the most frustrating things about the whole incident - its only the idea of someone blocking him from us if we got separated for some random reason that was beyond our control - which is extremely unlikely in the first place - and most people wouldn't have any issues helping a family resolve. The guy in my instance would not have been one of those people - he was simply a "you're not getting through" kinda guy. There are people like that at Disney. It was markedly upsetting, as anyone can see.

In reality we're a pretty pacifist household. We wouldn't be cutting in line in the first place. We're the ones that let people past as it generally doesn't bother us or has even happened that much anyway.