Line cutting and fast pass problems...

[Hannathy]

I guess we will have to fight then huh? The chances of me seeing you at Disney are slim to none. So I guess I am alright.

Unless the rest of the "schmucks" in the world decide they have had enough and also stop letting people past. I've been seeing that happen more and more lately. I think enough people are finally starting to say enough already. Saw it happen at BTMR and at SP Mt. this last trip, so it is happening. Also saw someone complain to a CM at Space about someone cutting into the FP line and the sent them out.

 

[Robo]

My DW used to experience motion sickness while riding
this before they added the "less intense"
option.

Now we just tell the "butler" at the entrance we want
the "single rider" version, and (if there's room) I
get to sit in the top row (no dangling feet), and my
DW can sit in the back (less chance of getting
splashed).

Also, if you think your child might be too short (62") for
the attraction, have him wear spike heels and a
beehive "doo" (most CM's here are less "picky" about
letting the little ones ride alone on this one.)
Just make SURE your child attaches the extra plastic
safety strap to the lap-bar, and check to see if he
can fit his head into the shoulder-harness before they
"launch" the sling-shot.

Tip: As the shoulder-restraits automatically lower at
the beginning of the first climb-hill, slump down in
your seat as far as you can.
It will cause the points to "double" (almost) when you
fire the laser.
(And don't forget to look for "Skippy!")

 

[kaytieeldr]

Wow, Robo - that's some cool-sounding attraction!!!

 

[WillCAD]

Okay, hope I don't get beat up while I'm there (like the lady at the Teacups), but I still plan to send the rest of my family (there will be three of them) to get in line while I run over and get FP elsewhere, then re-join them in line.

Please don't trip me as I move past you in line!

I will be doing the same
It is just practical.
No rudeness intended.

Why on earth is it so darn difficult for the rest of your group to wait an extra few minutes for you to catch up to them BEFORE they all get in line?

As all the rejoiners keep saying in this thread, "An extra few minutes won't kill you, the ride si still there, it will not take that much more time, it won't hurt you to wait a little more, yada, yada, yada." The difference, of course, is that by waiting, you hold up only your group by those 3 minutes, whereas if you cut in line after separating from your group to get a FastPass, you are pushing EVERYBODY ELSE back in line by one person.

I'm not letting you past, either. I would never dream of being beligerent or violent in any way, but I'm going to stand there and block the line so you can't get past.

 

[JVL1018]

Why on earth is it so darn difficult for the rest of your group to wait an extra few minutes for you to catch up to them BEFORE they all get in line?

As all the rejoiners keep saying in this thread, "An extra few minutes won't kill you, the ride si still there, it will not take that much more time, it won't hurt you to wait a little more, yada, yada, yada." The difference, of course, is that by waiting, you hold up only your group by those 3 minutes, whereas if you cut in line after separating from your group to get a FastPass, you are pushing EVERYBODY ELSE back in line by one person.

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EXACTLY!! I truly cannot believe that people just don't get this. What is the big rush? WAIT at the entrance to the ride for the FP runner. I can't even fathom why anyone would do anything else. It makes no sense to me.

 

[Rafikifan]

I see this all the time. CM's instruct to fill in "all the available space" and nobody moves. This happens mostly a Q rides like Haunted Mansion etc. My wife and I keep moving up until we can't go anymore.

Thank you. We've been to WDW many times and at rides such as Test Track, Dinosaur,RNRC, etc when you go from the line into the "staging area" the CM's always instruct you to move all the way in so more people can fit in. A couple of weeks ago we were in the single rider line at TT. When we got up to go in the room to watch the "pre-show" the CM told everyone one to move in as far as posssible. Some folks didn't seem to understand and just stood there so we along with others moved in behind the people and all the way in. When the doors opened to the ride we were right there so without hurrying we just filed out. As we were waiting I saw a lady a few people back climb under the bars to speak to a young female CM who was loading the ride. She was obviously angry at something and the CM seemed to kind of shrug her shoulders. Because it's so loud in there I couldn't hear what was transpiring but my dd did. Apparently the woman was angry because 1. She wanted to ride with her 2 kids. This is the SINGLE rider line and I understand a newbie maybe not understanding the concept ahead of time but there is a big sign just as you enter the line that says ALL parties will be separated. 2. She was also upset that some people (that would be us and about 4 other people) who had started out in line behind them were now ahead of them. The CM told her that was just the way it was so the lady grabbed her kids and left in a huff. I do NOT condone line cutting but I don't consider following the CM's directions as line cutting. If we wouldn't have moved when the doors opened we would have been run over. Plus, this only would put us on the ride 2 or 3 minutes before the other lady. It's just how those type of rides work.

 

[Disney Von Drake]

The “line jumping” definition that I previously posted is used by Canada’s Wonderland located in Vaughan, Ontario. It is only one of many Cedar Fair parks located throughout North America. All the other parks (such as King’s Dominion, Knott’s Berry Farm, Carowinds, Dorney Park etc.) have similar rules and regulations. Here are the line breaking rules from King’s Dominion:

Line Breaking: To ensure that all guests have a fair opportunity to enjoy rides as quickly as possible, line jumping is not allowed. Line jumping, regardless of the reason, may lead to ejection from the park with no refund given. Kings Dominion defines line jumping as: 1. Cutting in front of other guests who are already in line; 2. Saving a place for someone; or 3. Leaving a line, then attempting to re-enter at the same point. Since this includes using the restroom or purchasing food or drink, we suggest you make all stops before you enter the line.

As you can see, there are no exceptions made for potty breaks or other such pretexts. The fact of the matter is that it is just plain rude and presumptuous for any guest to leave a line and attempt to return to the same spot or to save a place for someone in a line. The Disney parks offer the Guest Assistance Card (GAC) for people that require special accommodations.

If you have a recently potty trained child that might exhibit bladder control problems in a line at WDW, go to Guest Relations and get a GAC. Explain your special need to them. However, if you have not secured a GAC and take it upon yourself to exit the line with your potty dancing child, you have surrendered your spot in the line.

Also, designated FP runners get no special consideration. Again, this is just an example of rude behavior.

 

[HockeyChick]

Again, this is just an example of rude behavior.

You're probably right. I just don't consider it any kind of consolation to allow someone else's rude behavior to beget more rude behavior, i.e. blocking someone's way, from me.

And everyone keeps citing "it's only a few minutes" to wait for the rest of your party to arrive before getting in line. Well, it's only a few minutes you're being set back when someone rejoins their party after getting FPs.

I actually have very few strong feelings on this issue at all, other than that I'm not impeding anyone who took their kid to the bathroom's movement, but it just blows my mind that so many people evidently allow this to bother them so much. I guess I see where road rage, a concept I've never been able to understand, comes from, lol.

 

[mickeysgirl17]

Sorry......double post.

 

[mickeysgirl17]

Okay, let’s use Soarin’ as an example. There are what, 108 seats for each show (three rows of twelve, times three sections)? So, you’re number 100 in line. That means you’re included in the next pre-show group. But wait! Ten of the parties ahead of you each happen to have sent one person to Mission: Space to get FastPasses – and they each rejoin their respective parties while you’re waiting. Now you’re number 110 in line, and you DON’T get into the next pre-show, delaying you by however long an additional ride cycle takes.

Bathroom, okay. Drink? No. Cigarette? No. Neither of these is generally an emergency, so if one or the other – or a FastPass – is so important to the Guest that they need to leave the line, no, neither is a valid reason to catch up with the rest of their party.


Somebody a few pages back posted a "rule" which, while not a rule, makes perfect sense: If a member or two of your party must exit the line for an emergency, the rest of the party should reasonably remain at that point - letting other Guests pass them - until the one or two get back.

I very much doubt that 10 of the parties ahead of me will have their families rejoin their group right before It's our turn. I certainly will understand if a group had to get seperated because a child had to use the bathroom or some other emergency. If there are elderly people in the group and they choose to sit on the side until their turn, I will understand that too. If something came up and I had to leave the line that I've been waiting on forever, I would hope that I could rejoin my family so that I wouldn't have to get back on and start all over. Obviously, I wouldn't have gotten off the line in the first place unless it was absoloutely necessary. (bathroom break, child dehydrating who needs a drink, etc.)

What I don't appreciate is the people who just cut in line because they don't want to wait for their turn.

 

[CPer'sMom]

I actually have very few strong feelings on this issue at all, other than that I'm not impeding anyone who took their kid to the bathroom's movement, but it just blows my mind that so many people evidently allow this to bother them so much.

And wouldn't you just hate to meet up with ALL of them in the same line if someone actually tried to re-enter the line after taking their child to the restroom?!!

 

[Sleeping~Beauty]

Okay, hope I don't get beat up while I'm there (like the lady at the Teacups), but I still plan to send the rest of my family (there will be three of them) to get in line while I run over and get FP elsewhere, then re-join them in line.

This is the definite thing I think is wrong. We have FP runners and we wait for them and then enter the line. It's courtesy. I wouldn't do it to others. Don't do it to me.

I don't understand that you would think it's fine for your family, when there are hundereds and hundreds of other families that use the "runner" plan, and don't cut others.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Okay, hope I don't get beat up while I'm there (like the lady at the Teacups), but I still plan to send the rest of my family (there will be three of them) to get in line while I run over and get FP elsewhere, then re-join them in line.

I'm confused - how can anybody rejoin anything, if they weren't there in the first place?

 

[Katnmouse]

I'm confused - how can anybody rejoin anything, if they weren't there in the first place?

EXACTLY!!!!! If you were not in the line to begin with then you don't have a place to get back to.... thus no line cutting is necessary.

 

[werfamily]

I'm confused - how can anybody rejoin anything, if they weren't there in the first place?

I believe that is part of the debate...if it is the same to leave and return to your party while they wait in line, as it is to never have been in the line and join up with your party. Personally, if we're talking a few people, I don't care one way or the other...and it certainly isn't worth ruining my vacation over by adding stress.

 

[mickeysgirl17]

So, are some people actually suggesting that the group split and that the person who ran to get the fp get on the back of the line and go on the attraction alone?

 

[MichelleVW]

So, are some people actually suggesting that the group split and that the person who ran to get the fp get on the back of the line and go on the attraction alone?

No...either you send a non rider to get the FP or you WAIT for them to get back BEFORE you get in line....

 

[Disney Von Drake]

No...either you send a non rider to get the FP or you WAIT for them to get back BEFORE you get in line....

I congratulate you! You have struck another victory for common courtesy and common sense. I wish others would do the same.

 

[Principessa Alba]

You know it kind of ticks me off that WDW lets these things be so ambiguous so that we the guests need to duke it out themselves. If there were actual clearly posted rules that everyone understood and people enforcing them on things like this and all those other earth shattering WDW debate subjects - how hard would that really be?

For now, I'm not letting it ruin the "magic" for me and I'm not going to tell a mom and her child they can't rejoin the family after a bathroom emergency (although good luck finding them in that line ) but I'm sorry, I'm just not going to let other people cut in front of me if I can help it. If that makes me a witch, so be it.

Cut or don't cut. People will either let you or they won't. Seems pretty clear to me.

And for all the people who on all the threads about all these things that bug them at WDW who say "I just don't let these things ruin my vacation, " and really mean, "You who are complaining are being petty.", well, you are letting the topic get to you, or you wouldn't be posting. If you really didn't care what other's did like you say you don't, you would't have any interest in the discussion.

 

[Timon_n_Pumba]

Depending on the line and the age of the child I will usually let someone thru that past me on the way out BUT I will not let someone past that didn't go past me out of the line

That's all I would ever ask for, as the circumstance would be rare and not a regular tactic to lessen waiting on line.

As I've said, if we were in the line all along and then had to exit quickly for a potty break (no other reason), I don't see the big deal in being allowed to return. No one's wait has been increased.

For the record, we do try and have my older DS go before any line that looks to be longer than 10-15 minutes (we try to use FastPass so we don't have to wait any longer than that for the most part), so again, this would be an exception, not a normal, usual scenario.



Best Regards,

Scott in MO