Line cutting and fast pass problems...

[Harlemgirl720]

Ok I am one of the people who send the family to one ride and go get the fastpass. And yes I then find a time to join them. I know I am not loved here. And yes I have had the child who said ("i have to go to the bathroom)My problem is the reverse when a single person is on the line and the "rest" of the party join them. That means they were on another ride while the rest of us wait to get on this one.

Bell,

I am with you. I am the person to get the fastpasses while my hubby and son wait for me on line. I agree that it shouldn't be a whole group joining the line. If it is just one or two, like if they had to take one to the bathroom. That should not be a problem. I understand how people are upset with this whole cutting the line mess. I think we are not cutting the line. If my hubby and son are waiting for me, and I join them, there should be no problem. Sometimes as parents, we have to take the kids to the bathroom and I will be daggone if I get off that long line get back on so we go to the bathroom.

It can get quite hectic waiting on line for a ride. We are going on August 26 and I will be getting fastpasses for certain rides while my hubby and son are on another line. I am sure everyone does it. Just don't be so obvious and be courteous to others waiting on line.

 

[Mulan82]

my two cents...

i will probably be flamed. tarred (sp?). feathered and then banned from disney.

1) how does your wait time increase if there are people actually rejoining the family. to better explain. lets use test track. so. the car in test track holds 6 people. ok. so im not sure about that. but im going to say 6 because this is my post. anyways, so there is a party of 6 that wants to go on the ride. Mom and say 4 kids get in line for the ride while dad runs over to mission space for a FP. he then rejoins his family in line. where would your wait time increase since all six of them are getting in the same car? they aren't taking multiple cars. i know this only works on certain rides.. and it wouldn't work on rides such as soarin etc... but in those rare cases that it does.. i'm not talking about those who use the excuse without justification. and im not talking about you people in the single rider lane either. because i know you'll say, well, that last spot could have been a single rider. well, im talking about people that are standing in the standby everyday there are three in my party line.

2) so i've read a majority of this thread already. and i keep reading, " people who cut in front of me... people who push in front of me... etc.. its so rude, ( insert synonym to rude here ______ ). and i can't really think of another way of saying it ( i apologize if you get offended. not the intention here.. ) if they pushed in front of you, wouldn't that make you at fault for letting them? ok. so let me just remind you that this is all IMO. and remember, there are always other viewpoints to situations. i know there are instances where you didn't know and some little kid pushed right through you or the person that pushed through you made you off balanced or something like that, but i don't understand how someone can complain that 10+ people pushed right by them and how those 10+ people are so rude and they shouldn't be doing that, when it was you who let them push through. if someone(s) was/were trying to push through me and i didn't want them to, i would try my hardest to stand my ground. maybe even speak up and tell them that they weren't going to get through. clarification anyone?


im expected to get flamed.
so let me just get my sunglasses and some SPF 40.
i wanna be tan, people!
not burnt.


ps. as for the youngins that need to potty, i have no problem with letting you rejoin your party again.
pps. my problem are the people that are on your butt through out the entire line.. i know moving closer may keep the line smaller or whatever, but really. if you are so close to me that i can feel your breathe on my neck i would really appreciate if you stepped back.. 2 maybe 3 steps.

 

[Mulan82]

oops!

 

[stitchlovestink]

One thing they should do is have a fast pass machine specifically if you are a group leader or someone that has more than 5 admission tickets. On some of these rides, you get behind one of these groups that has 30+ admission tickets and they have to feed them in the machine one by one...you either have to get out of line or waste 10 minutes waiting.

In theory, this is a great idea (just like express check out lanes in the store, 15 items or fewer. But someone always has more than that ) But how do you expect WDW to enforce that? The person gets up to the machine and then starts feeding the cards into the FP machine only to state that they didn't know there were different lines for different machines. CM's are not going to make them change lines (aka no confrontations w/ guests) so why bother having the different lines to begin with.
I don't know that there really is a good way to fix this problem. I do think changing the machines over to a scanner style should make it faster to get the passes though. Don't have to wait for the card to go in, be read, and spit back out...

 

[luvsJack]

I just don't get all of you griping so much about a parent taking a child out of line for the bathroom and then return. It's really "no skin off your nose" and is that the worse thing you kind find to fuss about. Maybe some of you need to worry more about enjoying your vacation instead of how many kids need an emergency trip to the bathroom in line in front of you. This over worrying about whether someone else is "entitled" to a place in line is exactly what causes the altercations in those lines. Isn't anyone out there just simply enjoying thier time at WDW? As for what I would do myself: On our last trip, we were in line at Rockin Roller Coaster. My DD was really excited about the ride and then suddenly had to go really bad, (she does this when excited or nervous) even though she had gone right before we got in line. I took her out of line to go, while my DH and DS stayed. They were up to the front when we got back. She was almost in tears thinking she was not going to get to ride with her father and brother. I called my DH and he came back and got her. DS stayed in front but let others pass while waiting for DH and DD. I stayed out of line. No, she wasn't "entitled" to that place in line, but when the other guests saw how happy she was when she saw her brother, they were extremly nice about getting her and her dad up to where he stood. I must say that I am very glad that the people in line that day felt different than many of you seem to. It certainly made her day.

 

[EMom]

I've never had to get on a ride so bad that I'd get in such a self-righteous frenzy as to begrudge a person a few minutes to take their kid to the bathroom or to get a snack to ward off blood sugar problems. If that allows them to get back in line without blowing the 45 minutes they've already waited in line, it's no skin off my back. That family has put in their time, just as I have. Their little trip to the potty or to get the emergency snack bag did not make me fall further back in line....I'm still exactly where I was if they had never left. I have lost absolutely nothing. I've still waited exactly the same number of minutes. The difference is, a boy didn't wet himself and a girl didn't pass out from the shakes. I'm still getting on that ride exactly when I would have if they had never left. I've just shown them some consideration and given them the benefit of the doubt.

I've heard all the squawking about, "Where do you draw the line?" but come on, can't we all tell the difference between a child's potty break and a group of teens trying to push past? If we have one working eyeball, we can. I don't worship the ground little Johnny and Sue walk on. I think they should behave in public or be taken out of public. I do not think the world should revolve around them. But facts are facts. They are not minature adults. Child bladders are different. And some kids have not yet developed an awareness of when they need to go until about 5 minutes beforehand and it sometimes takes years to do that. I won't even get into the poor kid with diabetes and the louts that wouldn't let her back in line. How proud of themselves they must have been.

IMHO, there is a huge difference between the situation where a person leaves the line for a few minutes and returns vs. someone who tries to join a group (or a phantom group) that they were never in to begin with. In the first instance, they have paid their dues, so to speak by having been in that line just as long as you have. Their return in a few minutes will not disadvantage you. You are having a long, hot, sweaty, aggravating day and so are they. I guess you get some sort of perceived moral victory by not letting the kid back in line and making them lose the 45 minutes they had already spent in line out of their long, hot, sweaty, aggravating day. When you're in long line in a ladies' room and mom comes in with a 3 year old clutching her privates, doing the potty dance, do you also smugly say, "The end of the line is BACK THERE!" or do you say, "Why don't you go next?" Silly me.....I probably already have my answer.

 

[jonestavern]

I think a bit of 'Imagineering' put into the line waiting would go a long way to easing tensions.
I liked that Nicklelodeon Studios had Game Boys out (I could be wrong on the type of game--DS isn't around to ask ) to soften the long wait.
Benches, entertainers specific to lines etc; I'm sure you folks & Disney could come up with dozens of great ideas. Maybe more opportunities for a lovely misting during all the heat & humidity?

As for blatant line cutting (we, too have no problem w/folks leaving the line for a bathrm break) I've long thought there should be a 'penalty box' for rude folks.
Maybe not park expulsion for the 1st offense (unless the 2nd offense in 1 day or outrageous rudeness) but a few hrs of banishment--maybe to view a movie on proper park manners!

Edited to add: I'm one of those adults who have a lot of trouble with continence.
Good grief, it's not like I don't plan ahead. I already have to forgo a lot of very basic things in life due to this problem. If I have to leave a line where I've been waiting (and I have done this at parades & attractions) I try to make the folks around me aware that I am taking a 'necessary' break. I don't like announcing where I'm going, but I am not going to be made to stand at the back of a line where I have already 'put in my time'.

Jean

 

[stitchlovestink]

Actually yes. Why do parties with children think there is a different set of rules for them?

Why should I get a line that looks like it should take about a 30 minute wait to find that 20% of the line is in the restroom, changing the wait time to 50 mins.....?

It's not that there is a different set of rules, but it's called having consideration. Young children (and an adult or two that I personally know...) can't wait more than a few minutes to relieve themselves. If I still had a small child and I was standing in line near someone w/ an attitude similar to yours (knowing that after waiting 30 min or more, you would not allow me to take my child to the restroom and rejoin my family), I'd tell little Johnny to relieve himself right there and we'll use your spare change of clothes to change into. That'll hold up the line 'cause they'll need the janatorial CM to clean up the puddle. And maybe if we were lucky enough, it would run under your shoes before you knew it. Jeez, people have some consideration for small children. It isn't healthy for them to hold 'it' for long. Otherwise, a family is going to spend more time in line for the bathroom if they 'have to' visit it between every ride to meet your standards. And I do realize this should not be happening all the time and it if does, then that parent needs to readjust their touring plan...but cut some slack for the non-abusers w/ small children.

p.s. I have a dear adult friend that this could happen to. Thanks to a botched job by a surgeon. They could use the restroom, get in line, but still need to make another trip to the restroom depending on the length of the line.

 

[#1Disfann]

I did not read all 11 + pages (only the first 3) but I did want to add my two cents. I, like many others, have no problem letting you leave the line and return to the line for potty breaks or medical need, (I am a mom to a now 15 year old DD but remember the "old" days well ) BUT....if you (or your group) get in line while you leave someone out getting fastpasses and then that person tries to catch up with you (or your group), you WILL be getting some not so nice remarks from me (and my group) especially if you are gonna dish out attitude as you come past me! It happened way too many times to us last year and I can't understand why you would think it is even sort of OK for you to do that. For quite a few years now, my group knows the routine....One person takes all passes to the FP machine while the rest of the group WAITS at the queue entrance and then when the person getting the FP's gets to the entrance we all proceed in together! I hate to admit it too, but after so many instances of this last year I (we...me and DH)had finally had it and really let loose on a lady coming thru the line to join her husband after getting her FP's. I'm sure she thought twice about doing it again...at least for that day! On second thought...it probably never phased her!! I hope we don't run into too much of that this year!

 

[suevee]

I haven't read this whole thread so forgive me if someone else has posted this, but on most rides families sit together. Like on PoC, teacups, pooh, and SW. I have seen whole benches with only 2 people in them because that is all there is in that group. My point is if only one person is rejoining their group then it really doesn't matter to the rest of the line because that group is going to be sitting together. There won't be a longer wait even if a lot of singletons are joining there families - they will be on the same ride...so what is the problem.

Also one poster had a problem with one person parking the stroller then getting in line with their family. I just don't see what the big deal on that one is. Of course if a group of people try to cut in then I am one of the first one's to say "End of the line please."

 

[Disney Von Drake]

Here is the definition of “Line Jumping” from another popular park:

Line jumping is defined as “Cutting in front of other waiting guests, leaving the line then attempting to re-enter. This includes using the restroom facilities or to purchase food or drinks.” Once you leave your place in line, you have forfeited it, no matter what the reason. Saving a place is simply not permitted.

 

[Redbudlover]

Agree and disagree. I am with you 100% on allowing people to cut in. I just do not do it. I - and I am 5'2" and 60 - just say, Excuse me, I am standing here and this is my place in line. Do Not get in front of me - and then I touch them firmly on the arm. So far it works.

I still can't see the difference in your wait time if a family of 7 was staning in front of you the whole time or if one of them came back to the line while the rest are waiting. I can see you disappointed because you were going to have to wait longer than you thought you were. But the family of 7 is a family of 7 either way....

 

[crazy_for_the_dis]

Okay, instead of argueing over this, can we try to resolve it? We all carry cell phones. Like someone else posted, the CM's are either retired or college kids who don't seem to want to get involved (although I have seen some stand their ground on EMH and hard ticket events when people were still trying to get on the rides without a wrist band, evenly though they were getting verbally abused from the family.) Sometimes in the middle of the line, there isn't a CM around anyway. If we saw someone cutting in line, is there a Disney securuty number that can be called to get someone who may be more physically able to handle the situation? I'd be glad to report line cutters on my cell phone in two weeks when we go if I knew a number? I think if a line cutter got approached by a security guard, it would be the last time they tried to cut. And might set an example that would dissuade others. Anyone know of any such number?

 

[CPer'sMom]

If we saw someone cutting in line, is there a Disney securuty number that can be called to get someone who may be more physically able to handle the situation? I'd be glad to report line cutters on my cell phone in two weeks when we go if I knew a number? I think if a line cutter got approached by a security guard, it would be the last time they tried to cut. And might set an example that would dissuade others. Anyone know of any such number?

You're joking, right?!!?

 

[darlak]

I have a question for all of the folks that say you're fine with people rejoining the line after they leave for a potty break or snack break, but not okay with people who have been getting FastPasses or on other rides.

Exactly how will we know the difference? Don't you think that if that becomes the accepted rule, then all of the regular line cutters will just say they were either in the restroom or getting a snack for a medical reason?

I still maintain that I raised my 4 without ever once cutting line in this manner and all 4 of them managed to survive without once wetting themselves while in line. We did, however, leave a line a few times and then come back and start all over at the end of the line. We have always been a family who frequents theme parks and have made at least annual trips to WDW, as well as numerous trips to Six Flags Over GA, Dollywood and Opryland when it was still open.

 

[momtosam]

I didn't have time to read all the posts, but the "Excuse me, we're catching up to our group" line got really old, really fast when we were there in June. If you are with a group, stay with your group! Only one time did we encounter a group that let US go ahead of them because they were waiting for the rest of their party. Of course that was at Small World, which was no wait at the time.

 

[mickeysgirl17]

I disagree with some. If my toddler who has just been potty trained needs to use the bathroom, and I've been waiting on a line for an hour in the heat....I'd like to think that people would understand if I took her and left my husband on line and then came back....or would they rather my DD went to the bathroom in her pants right there on line? Nor I or my husband would get off and go to the back of the line again. I'm sure many parents can understand this. What if my child would be heartbroken if she didn't do the ride she was looking forward to all day? I also don't think that the wait time would be affected because every so often, a CM at the front of the line gives a guest a red badge to give to the last CM they see before boarding the ride to give an accurate wait time.

Also, regarding the fastpasses, I don't really see what the problem is. If one person goes to another attraction to obtain fastpasses while the rest of the party waits in line, I don't think it will make a big difference in the wait time. Now if the whole party went and 1 person stayed in line, that would probably make the line a lot longer which is wrong. Things come up and at times, groups get seperated.

For those people who just go cut in line or use the fastpass line or single rider to get to the front and then cut in.........they should be thrown out of the park on the spot.

 

[Jessfrogger88]

For me rejoining your family is fine. if the line is like 30 plus minutes i have no problem if mom goes to the nearest drink cart to get a soda for the kids or if dad has to use the bathroom or go to a designated smoke are while the rest of the group stays in line. I mean I know some people take advantage of this situation but i think people who do this for the most part are innocent and just trying to make the long wait times more bareable.

I do however have no tolerance for line jumpers are people pushing ahead of others, but i do admit sometimes it's really hard to figure out who is cutting and who is rejoining a group or whatever else.

 

[debbiet1]

OK this is where I probably tick off most of you. I'm the kind of person that would let someone in front of me take their child to the washroom if they needed to and return in front of me with no qualms. I'm also the type of person that if Grandma or Grandpa is with the family and we are all standing in line in the blazing sun, I'd suggest that grandma or grandpa sit in the shady spot to the side and then rejoin us when we got closer. So if you see someone in December suggesting someones gramma sits in the shade until we get closer to the ride.. please dont stone me lol

 

[klineyqueen]

I have always hated when people line jump, at Disney or even at our local park (Hershey and Knoebels Grove.) When we were in Disney in June we were waiting to ride on the cars in Magic Kingdom when my son (4 years old) proclaims "I HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM." I quickly ducked out of line and we ran to the restroom. I came back to the attraction and the line attendent who pointed me to the restroom said I could join my family. I still felt funny "cutting" in line, even though we were waiting, left for 2 min. then came back. The people who were behind me and saw me leave said nice things like "I am glad you got back in time." I think if someone leaves the line to use the restroom with a kid the people who were around you are understanding. Anyway, anti line jumper who sort of did it due to a 4yo's potty panic!