Let's speculate about Polynesian some more!

[SL6827]

Sounds like Disney will have unlimited ability to change the rules in the middle of every game they are not winning.

 

[jkips]

I am actually putting Poly tower back on the table if it is part of the trust under certain conditions. We don't yet know if they will go the combined dues route. There are ways it can happen that doesn't do that....

I would consider it under my ideal conditions which is Poly tower its own trust use plan...not part of The Cabins Resort Use Plan...dues are for just the tower...and I get one month advantage to the tower...but then only other trust owners get it after that with all non-trust property DVC resort owners, including PVB getting access at 7 months via BVTC.

Tall order and I am sure wishful thinking!

I understand where you are coming from but DVC is complicated enough as is. They should be trying to keep it as simple as possible - make the hurdle as low as possible for new potential buyers to get up the DVC learning curve. The restricted/unrestricted, blue card/white card nonsense is difficult enough as is and that just applies to resale contracts. Throw something like this in there for potential new buyers in the resort and it's that much more complexity they need to explain to anyone looking to buy. I would be very surprised if they did something like this.

 

[Sandisw]

I understand where you are coming from but DVC is complicated enough as is. They should be trying to keep it as simple as possible - make the hurdle as low as possible for new potential buyers to get up the DVC learning curve. The restricted/unrestricted, blue card/white card nonsense is difficult enough as is and that just applies to resale contracts. Throw something like this in there for potential new buyers in the resort and it's that much more complexity they need to explain to anyone looking to buy. I would be very surprised if they did something like this.

Just remember those of us who have been around a long time know about the changes and see the differences.

New buyers don’t. Someone buying resale today knows they aren’t eligible for benefits or new resorts. It doesn’t matter that multiple levels exist.

Those buying direct with at least 150 know they get it all.

Start selling as a trust product with certain rules and I don’t see it as confusing for those new buyers as it might appear.

I do think if they try to sell deeded and RTU at the same time and same resort then it might.

But, we know they are starting a trust so they have at least changed it up for CFW. That alone means they are willing to do what is needed to sell whatever product they want.

Who would have thought some of the moves they have made in the last 10 years would have happened and yet they have. I put nothing past them.

 

[KimMcGowan]

think if they go through the trouble of making it part of PVB, I think they will just keep rules the same.

I guess I am confused by this statement. Why would it be any trouble for them to make it part of PVB? They would just use the same rules and procedures that they have already been following- that surely would not be any trouble for them at all.

 

[SL6827]

Just remember those of us who have been around a long time know about the changes and see the differences.

New buyers don’t. Someone buying resale today knows they aren’t eligible for benefits or new resorts. It doesn’t matter that multiple levels exist.

Those buying direct with at least 150 know they get it all.

Start selling as a trust product with certain rules and I don’t see it as confusing for those new buyers as it might appear.

I do think if they try to sell deeded and RTU at the same time and same resort then it might.

But, we know they are starting a trust so they have at least changed it up for CFW. That alone means they are willing to do what is needed to sell whatever product they want.

Who would have thought some of the moves they have made in the last 10 years would have happened and yet they have. I put nothing past them.

Absolutely nothing.

 

[Sandisw]

I guess I am confused by this statement. Why would it be any trouble for them to make it part of PVB? They would just use the same rules and procedures that they have already been following- that surely would not be any trouble for them at all.

I meant if they go to the trouble of adding it to PVB, and giving up potentially having resale restrictions and other changes, it makes little sense to then play games with the trust as because the rules don’t need to be the same. They can do a new vacation plan for those rooms under the PVB umbrella.

And, no matter which way it goes, they still need to file similar paperwork and stuff so it’s work either way.

 

[Clemsondisfan]

The diagram for the first floor does appear to be either a QS or TS. Based on the diagrams we have seen, the with the bar area will have an entry point from the pool and into the QS or TS. That fits more with how things are for the Poly QS.
QS definitely needs the addition at Poly.

Some counted the room for the floors based on one diagram that was become public record. Based on that, not sure they have any room for additional dining on floors above. It's possible the other floors have different room designs.

If it's only one, that means the opposite category (TS/QS) will now have significantly more people at staying at the resort. Seems likely Poly restaurants will become busier.

Others have pointed out it's also an increase on transportation. This will effect entire Polynesian resort, plus GF/VGF with monorails. On the plus side for GF/VGF, the boat stops there before Polynesian. Unless they add an exclusive boat for Polynesian, it may become more difficult to get a boat from the Polynesian resort's boat launch to MK.

Tower will have additional pool, so it will help some. Unfortunately, from the renderings it seems it will not have a slide. Leaving Polynesian with only one pool with a slide. Children and families love pool slides.

None of the issues are known or set in stone yet. Hopefully, Disney realizes these things and makes adjustments. Based on renderings, I am not convinced they understood what is required to please so many guests staying at a resort.

On the dining front. I would love to see a boardwalkesque lakeside pizza joint. Would be a nice central focal point between old and new without using further new building square footage for extra dining.

 

[MarkNC2Disney]

I get Rumfire Waikiki vibes from the architectural drawings (appears open air, indoor/outdoor seating right by the water)

 

[Stank]

I am actually putting Poly tower back on the table if it is part of the trust under certain conditions. We don't yet know if they will go the combined dues route. There are ways it can happen that doesn't do that....

I would consider it under my ideal conditions which is Poly tower its own trust use plan...not part of The Cabins Resort Use Plan...dues are for just the tower...and I get one month advantage to the tower...but then only other trust owners get it after that with all non-trust property DVC resort owners, including PVB getting access at 7 months via BVTC.

Tall order and I am sure wishful thinking!

This is turning into a mail-in rebate nightmare.

How many prepositional phrases are needed to explain what one is buying in this soon-to-be 8-tiered club.

I think buy where you want to stay will be the default mindset because navigating beyond the borders of the home association just crosses into swampy bylaw waters where no one understands what they exactly bought.

 

[Stank]

For any Monty Python fans out there, understanding DVC in 2024 is quickly turning into the sketch with John Cleese:

All right, settle down. Settle down... Now, before I begin the lesson, will those of you who are playing in the match this afternoon move your clothes down onto the lower peg immediately after lunch, before you write your letter home, if you're not getting your hair cut, unless you've got a younger brother who is going out this weekend as the guest of another boy, in which case, collect his note before lunch, put it in your letter after you've had your hair cut, and make sure he moves your clothes down onto the lower peg for you. Now...

 

[mkatsy]

This is turning into a mail-in rebate nightmare.

How many prepositional phrases are needed to explain what one is buying in this soon-to-be 8-tiered club.

I think buy where you want to stay will be the default mindset because navigating beyond the borders of the home association just crosses into swampy bylaw waters where no one understands what they exactly bought.

Speaking of buy where you want to stay … I noticed that three new direct poly deeds were just listed at the comptrollers office. Isn’t poly $250 a point right now? Is there a sale that I don’t know about?

 

[JackosinDIS]

Speaking of buy where you want to stay … I noticed that three new direct poly deeds were just listed at the comptrollers office. Isn’t poly $250 a point right now? Is there a sale that I don’t know about?

No sale, people just buy direct! Crazy right? I often see direct BLT deeds at $275pp as well!

 

[Sandisw]

This is turning into a mail-in rebate nightmare.

How many prepositional phrases are needed to explain what one is buying in this soon-to-be 8-tiered club.

I think buy where you want to stay will be the default mindset because navigating beyond the borders of the home association just crosses into swampy bylaw waters where no one understands what they exactly bought.

I do buy where I want to stay and if Poly tower were to sonehow be part of the trust and the current PVB points were locked out for home resort, then I might want it.

If all PVB points are eligible to book during home resort, then it’s not worth it to own there since the longhouses are not my first choice and I’ll take my chances at 7 months.

Also, as things change, things from the past are not really as relevant because what you buy has its own rules. Doesn’t really matter what other who came before you have.

 

[Sandisw]

Speaking of buy where you want to stay … I noticed that three new direct poly deeds were just listed at the comptrollers office. Isn’t poly $250 a point right now? Is there a sale that I don’t know about?

Which is surprising to me because when they add BPK, they stopped selling at the sold out price because they knew it’s new active price would be lower.

So, if Poly tower really does become part of PVB, I’d expect its base price to be $250 before incentives since they are selling at that price right now.

 

[mkatsy]

Which is surprising to me because when they add BPK, they stopped selling at the sold out price because they knew it’s new active price would be lower.

So, if Poly tower really does become part of PVB, I’d expect its base price to be $250 before incentives since they are selling at that price right now.

It’s interesting, I was shocked to see the direct contracts show up there. I can see the logic in rolling the dice on resale if you are content in the longhouses. I bought 50 points poly resale myself right before the VGF sale as a gamble on the tower because the dues were affordable, I adore poly, and knew I had the funds held back to wait on the actual tower paperwork to be filed. I can’t fathom buying 150 direct Poly points with a mortgage right now, given the uncertainty of the situation. Unless the buyer has no idea what is going on I did see a complaint on the Poly Facebook page of a new guide stationed at Poly that is obnoxiously aggressive like a used car salesman… I hope these deeds aren’t his handiwork

 

[Sandisw]

It’s interesting, I was shocked to see the direct contracts show up there. I can see the logic in rolling the dice on resale if you are content in the longhouses. I bought 50 points poly resale myself right before the VGF sale as a gamble on the tower because the dues were affordable, I adore poly, and knew I had the funds held back to wait on the actual tower paperwork to be filed. I can’t fathom buying 150 direct Poly points with a mortgage right now, given the uncertainty of the situation. Unless the buyer has no idea what is going on I did see a complaint on the Poly Facebook page of a new guide stationed at Poly that is obnoxiously aggressive like a used car salesman… I hope these deeds aren’t his handiwork

We did just one night at Poly last week and the guide I spoke to must have been different because he was not that way at all.

But, he obviously could not commit PVB points being valid at the tower. I said I might be interested in 25 direct…just to see.

It was we have no official word and expect it someone in summer.

As I said, them selling seems to me that it is going into PVB and will base price at $250 or they will not do it and say they changed their mind so it different and can offer it at the same base as VDH.

I’d be shocked though to see RIV, CFW, and AUl at base $225, VDH at $239, and then Poly tower at $250.

 

[Dobermanns]

Maybe the selling of these direct PVB contracts indicates that the Tower will be its own association/trust plan and not part of the existing PVB association so that pricing can be lower?

 

[Cabius]

Maybe the selling of these direct PVB contracts indicates that the Tower will be its own association/trust plan and not part of the existing PVB association so that pricing can be lower?

I personally don't read that much into it.

They have a very limited number of PVB contracts available right now, and sell those at premium "sold-out" prices because their supply is so low.

PVB Tower could be a a separate product at a separate price point.

Or it could be the same product (association), and they could just lower the price from its "sold-out" premium to drive up sales volume.

In other words, even if we were 100% certain that PVB Tower was going to sell at base $225, I don't think that would determine it's association status.

 

[accm]

It’s interesting, I was shocked to see the direct contracts show up there. I can see the logic in rolling the dice on resale if you are content in the longhouses. I bought 50 points poly resale myself right before the VGF sale as a gamble on the tower because the dues were affordable, I adore poly, and knew I had the funds held back to wait on the actual tower paperwork to be filed. I can’t fathom buying 150 direct Poly points with a mortgage right now, given the uncertainty of the situation. Unless the buyer has no idea what is going on I did see a complaint on the Poly Facebook page of a new guide stationed at Poly that is obnoxiously aggressive like a used car salesman… I hope these deeds aren’t his handiwork

I doubt it's his handiwork, as the guides are usually trying to sell active resorts. I also wouldn't assume the buyer has no idea. Maybe they want the direct points, but didn't want to buy RIV or CFW. Or they just wanted direct Poly points.

 

[Sandisw]

Maybe the selling of these direct PVB contracts indicates that the Tower will be its own association/trust plan and not part of the existing PVB association so that pricing can be lower?

It’s possible but the mystery for me is that this is a different strategy to what they did with BPK.

I guess I just dint see them selling someone new PVB points right now at $250 if they know it’s gojng to be lower in just a few months with the tower if it’s all going to be one association.

So, that’s why I think if it is rolled in and it will start at $250 or it won’t and start at $239 base like VDH.