Let's get one thing straight

Heard this B.S. before, didn't buy it than, not going to buy it now. Lib's hate the military and everything they stand for. I only hope the day doesn't come in our country when all the lib's wake up 6' underground and wonder why they no longer have any freedom's. Today the enemy is the islamic terrorist, tomorrow who knows. If we don't come together and win this war, tomorrow won't really matter.:sad2:

Wth would we lie about it? If I didn't support the troops, I'd damn well say I didn't support the troops.
 
However I also believe that there is a sizable minority of people that don't support the troops, but won't say so out loud because it isn't PC to do so. I think that William Arkin wrote what many people, even people that will talk the talk on troop support, think but don't want to say for fear of criticism.

I'm not saying this pertains to anyone here, but I know people, not many, but some, that never had a good word to say about the military or the troops, but now feel that they have to keep their feelings to themselves.

I don't agree that there is a 'sizeable' minority, but I don't deny that there are people out there who don't support the troops. I don't know any personally but I have certainly seen their venom on the web. I think they are a small minority. There are also venomous people on the other side who want the military to nuke everyone else out there. Most of us, left and right, agree on most things, especially how proud we are of our military folks, even if we don't agree on the ways to fight terrorism or the best way to deal with the Iraq quagmire.
 
I don't agree that there is a 'sizeable' minority, but I don't deny that there are people out there who don't support the troops. I don't know any personally but I have certainly seen their venom on the web. I think they are a small minority. There are also venomous people on the other side who want the military to nuke everyone else out there. Most of us, left and right, agree on most things, especially how proud we are of our military folks, even if we don't agree on the ways to fight terrorism or the best way to deal with the Iraq quagmire.

::yes::
 
I don't agree that there is a 'sizeable' minority, but I don't deny that there are people out there who don't support the troops. I don't know any personally but I have certainly seen their venom on the web. I think they are a small minority. There are also venomous people on the other side who want the military to nuke everyone else out there. Most of us, left and right, agree on most things, especially how proud we are of our military folks, even if we don't agree on the ways to fight terrorism or the best way to deal with the Iraq quagmire.

Not to mention the fact that the people who are so vocally against the military most likely have a history there that has nothing to do with being a liberal. Last I checked, there was no anti-military vow one had to take to get your liberal club card.
 

Not to mention the fact that the people who are so vocally against the military most likely have a history there that has nothing to do with being a liberal. Last I checked, there was no anti-military vow one had to take to get your liberal club card.

What? You're telling me I didn't have to streak down part of the turnpike to get my card?
 
the reason he is sending over more troops are because we are trying to do the same thing we did with germany. go in, win the war, and fix up the country!
 
Yea, the libs learned that one during the Viet Nam war, so their not going to make that mistake again.



And thanks for this...I've never read the whole thing.

Yeah, I was so mean to the troops when I was THREE YEARS OLD.
 
2nd Lt. Mark Jennings Daily was killed by an IED Jan. 15th 2007
He wrote the following the night before he left for Iraq.


"Why I Joined"
2nd Lt. Mark Jennings Daily

This question has been asked of me so many times in so many different contexts that I thought it would be best if I wrote my reasons for joining the Army on my page for all to see. First, the more accurate question is why I volunteered to go to Iraq. After all, I joined the Army a week after we declared war on Saddam's government with the intention of going to Iraq. Now, after years of training and preparation, I am finally here.

Much has changed in the last three years. The criminal Ba'ath regime has been replaced by an insurgency fueled by Iraq's neighbors who hope to partition Iraq for their own ends. This is coupled with the ever present transnational militant Islamist movement which has seized upon Iraq as the greatest way to kill Americans, along with anyone else they happen to be standing near. What was once a paralyzed state of fear is now the staging ground for one of the largest transformations of power and ideology the Middle East has experienced since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Thanks to Iran, Syria, and other enlightened local actors, this transformation will be plagued by interregional hatred and genocide. And I am now in the center of this.

Is this why I joined?

Yes. Much has been said about America's intentions in overthrowing Saddam Hussein and seeking to establish a new state based upon political representation and individual rights. Many have framed the paradigm through which they view the conflict around one-word explanations such as "oil" or "terrorism," favoring the one which best serves their political persuasion. I did the same thing, and anyone who knew me before I joined knows that I am quite aware and at times sympathetic to the arguments against the war in Iraq. If you think the only way a person could bring themselves to volunteer for this war is through sheer desperation or blind obedience then consider me the exception (though there are countless like me).

I joined the fight because it occurred to me that many modern day "humanists" who claim to possess a genuine concern for human beings throughout the world are in fact quite content to allow their fellow "global citizens" to suffer under the most hideous state apparatuses and conditions. Their excuses used to be my excuses. When asked why we shouldn't confront the Ba'ath party, the Taliban or the various other tyrannies throughout this world, my answers would allude to vague notions of cultural tolerance (forcing women to wear a veil and stay indoors is such a quaint cultural tradition), the sanctity of national sovereignty (how eager we internationalists are to throw up borders to defend dictatorships!) or even a creeping suspicion of America's intentions. When all else failed, I would retreat to my fragile moral ecosystem that years of living in peace and liberty had provided me. I would write off war because civilian casualties were guaranteed, or temporary alliances with illiberal forces would be made, or tank fuel was toxic for the environment. My fellow "humanists" and I would relish contently in our self righteous declaration of opposition against all military campaigns against dictatorships, congratulating one another for refusing to taint that aforementioned fragile moral ecosystem that many still cradle with all the revolutionary tenacity of the members of Rage Against the Machine and Greenday. Others would point to America's historical support of Saddam Hussein, sighting it as hypocritical that we would now vilify him as a thug and a tyrant. Upon explaining that we did so to ward off the fiercely Islamist Iran, which was correctly identified as the greater threat at the time, eyes are rolled and hypocrisy is declared. Forgetting that America sided with Stalin to defeat Hitler, who was promptly confronted once the Nazis were destroyed, America's initial engagement with Saddam and other regional actors is identified as the ultimate argument against America's moral crusade.

And maybe it is. Maybe the reality of politics makes all political action inherently crude and immoral. Or maybe it is these adventures in philosophical ************ that prevent people from ever taking any kind of effective action against men like Saddam Hussein. One thing is for certain, as disagreeable or as confusing as my decision to enter the fray may be, consider what peace vigils against genocide have accomplished lately. Consider that there are 19 year old soldiers from the Midwest who have never touched a college campus or a protest who have done more to uphold the universal legitimacy of representative government and individual rights by placing themselves between Iraqi voting lines and homicidal religious fanatics. Often times it is less about how clean your actions are and more about how pure your intentions are.

So that is why I joined. In the time it took for you to read this explanation, innocent people your age have suffered under the crushing misery of tyranny. Every tool of philosophical advancement and communication that we use to develop our opinions about this war are denied to countless human beings on this planet, many of whom live under the regimes that have, in my opinion, been legitimately targeted for destruction. Some have allowed their resentment of the President to stir silent applause for setbacks in Iraq. Others have ironically decried the war because it has tied up our forces and prevented them from confronting criminal regimes in Sudan, Uganda, and elsewhere.

I simply decided that the time for candid discussions of the oppressed was over, and I joined.

In digesting this posting, please remember that America's commitment to overthrow Saddam Hussein and his sons existed before the current administration and would exist into our future children's lives had we not acted. Please remember that the problems that plague Iraq today were set in motion centuries ago and were up until now held back by the most cruel of cages. Don't forget that human beings have a responsibility to one another and that Americans will always have a responsibility to the oppressed. Don't overlook the obvious reasons to disagree with the war but don't cheapen the moral aspects either. Assisting a formerly oppressed population in converting their torn society into a plural, democratic one is dangerous and difficult business, especially when being attacked and sabotaged from literally every direction. So if you have anything to say to me at the end of this reading, let it at least include "Good Luck"
 
Nice letter from 2nd Lt. Daily, John. And thanks for including it to prove that we can in fact be supportive of our troops AND disagree with this war.
 
Nice letter from 2nd Lt. Daily, John. And thanks for including it to prove that we can in fact be supportive of our troops AND disagree with this war.

Did you read the link from where I go that letter?

The broad claims have been that opponents of the war can't support the troops if they don't support the mission and no one hates the military. Neither claim is completely true nor completely false.
 
I have supported every military action in my adult life EXCEPT for this war in Iraq. I knew it was a mistake and I am furious with Bush for the way that he has conducted this war.

I do support the troops 100%. I have sent care packages to Army units in Iraq and I often stop and chat with the soliders that I see on the subway. I want them to be know how much I appreciate their sacrifices. I also appreciate the sacrifices of their family members.
 
Did you read the link from where I go that letter?

The broad claims have been that opponents of the war can't support the troops if they don't support the mission and no one hates the military. Neither claim is completely true nor completely false.

Did you include a link?
 
I guess I'm missing the disconnect in supporting the troops and not supporting the decisions made in Washington. The military doesn't choose the mission, they go where they are sent. I can easily disagree with the choice of mission and still feel strongly supportive about those who are carrying it out.

I agreed with the choice to send troops to Afghanistan and I still do. I only wish that we had kept our focus there instead of launching a full scale war in Iraq. The choices made in Washington are where my disagreement lies, not with the choices of the men and women who are tasked with the the mission. I thank God for those folks every day, because they've made the choice to take on a responsibility that most of us would never consider.
 


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