lesbians need not apply

[wvjules]

I'm good with that. We must never be tolerant of intolerance.

I sense a theme with your posts (on on most threads not just this one)....you are intolerant of anyone that disagrees with you.

 

[Sorsha]

I dont hate Jehovahs witnesses, but I never invite them in when they knock.

Me either. I turn off all the lights and the TV and hide behind the sofa.

My grandma, whom I adored, was a deeply religious woman.
I remember once she invited a Jehovah's Witness in, gave him tea and cookies, listened to his little lecture, took his magazine, and then said, "Now, dear, I listened to you, now you can listen to me." She proceeded to take out her stack of Adventist materials and pamphlets and lecture him for the next 1/2 hour. He kept trying to edge towards the door with the "deer in the headlights" look. Once he got out, he never came back.

 

[luvmy3]

You and I should sit down some day and have a deep theological discussion or two over coffee and doughnuts. We seem to share many of the same viewpoints.

Sounds good

 

[mkingdomlvr]

That wasn't my point. My point is that you cannot separate the fact that these students were homosexual. These students would not have been expelled for "seeming" heterosexual.

I haven't read the court papers, so I really don't know if these girls were expelled for "seeming" homosexual or if they were expelled because of an action. That really is critical information to know for sure if the school was in the right in this case, and I would hope that the court confirmed that there was an act or actions involved that led to the expulsion. The school I taught in was very careful about disciplinary actions of that magnitude, and there were always actions involved and clearly documented, not third party rumors. Reports had to be corroborated, we didn't expel based on one teacher's say so. We also had warnings first, so students had a fair chance to be reminded of rules before we went to the step of expulsion.

I'm guilty of assuming that this Christian school handled things in a similar way to ours, but it would seem to me that if they did not they would have lost a court case.

 

[Goofyluver]

I sense a theme with your posts (on on most threads not just this one)....you are intolerant of anyone that disagrees with you.

It's not about the disagreement. I don't apologize for my beliefs. You'll never see me do that.

I despise when people are discriminated against. I don't apologize for not laying down in the face of what I see as wrong. Nor should anyone else.

 

[Castlebound]

Actually that is a matter of opinion. I see it different, I won't go into details but its men that call homosexuality a sin, not God. Homosexuality would have threatened the early Christian movement, no pro-creation meant less followers. It was man that decided to make it a "sin" and use it to instill fear of God in early followers. The only reason Christians today still believe that is because its been in the teachings for 1000's of years.

I agree! Don't even try to post any quotes from the old testament about slavery. You will be told that they don't apply any more because “Jesus released Christians from the old testament”. But that sure doesn't stop some from listing passages from that same old testament to point out how “God said” homosexuality is a sin. I'm not a big bible reader but from my understanding there are less than five times in the bible where it states, “and God said”.

If the girls in question did something that was against the rules of the school then they can be kicked out. It is the right of the school and the parents knew the rules when they sent their kids to the school. If the girls were kicked out because someone “thought” they were gay then that is wrong on many levels. While many Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin, it isn't a bigger sin than anything else. I doubt that a student at that same school would get kicked out because someone “thought” they stole a pencil from another student. Stealing is on the top ten list of sins!

My kids go to a Catholic school and I know that the teachers must behave with Christian morals not only at school but outside of school also. If they are caught doing something that is not in fitting with the morals they can and will be fired. There was a single teacher who became pregnant. She was fired because of the whole no premarital sex thing. I didn't really agree with her being fired and losing her insurance at a time when she would really need it. At the same time she did know the rules and she signed the contract. If she didn't agree with the moral contract she could have turned down the position.

 

[Goofyluver]

I haven't read the court papers, so I really don't know if these girls were expelled for "seeming" homosexual or if they were expelled because of an action. That really is critical information to know for sure if the school was in the right in this case, and I would hope that the court confirmed that there was an act or actions involved that led to the expulsion. The school I taught in was very careful about disciplinary actions of that magnitude, and there were always actions involved and clearly documented, not third party rumors. Reports had to be corroborated, we didn't expel based on one teacher's say so. We also had warnings first, so students had a fair chance to be reminded of rules before we went to the step of expulsion.

I'm guilty of assuming that this Christian school handled things in a similar way to ours, but it would seem to me that if they did not they would have lost a court case.

"Alleged" lesbian relationship.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090128/ap_on_re_us/students_expelled

"Seemed" gay.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Court_Christian_school_can_expel_lesbian_0128.html

"Bond of intimacy characteristic of lesbian relationships".

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-school28-2009jan28,0,3503114.story?track=rss

 

[mkingdomlvr]

"Alleged" lesbian relationship.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090128/ap_on_re_us/students_expelled

"Seemed" gay.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Court_Christian_school_can_expel_lesbian_0128.html

"Bond of intimacy characteristic of lesbian relationships".

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-school28-2009jan28,0,3503114.story?track=rss

I'd really rather read the court papers and see what evidence was presented. I'll see if I can dig up something more detailed.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

Wow, that was easy!

Here's the site: http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/

The case is Jane Doe v California Lutheran HS.

It appears that there were admitted actions involved prior to the girl's dismissal-it was not based on a rumor.

 

[Lady_Gracey999]

Me either. I turn off all the lights and the TV and hide behind the sofa.

My grandma, whom I adored, was a deeply religious woman.
I remember once she invited a Jehovah's Witness in, gave him tea and cookies, listened to his little lecture, took his magazine, and then said, "Now, dear, I listened to you, now you can listen to me." She proceeded to take out her stack of Adventist materials and pamphlets and lecture him for the next 1/2 hour. He kept trying to edge towards the door with the "deer in the headlights" look. Once he got out, he never came back.

This made me laugh. I know people who have done this.

Whew! Reading this (entire) thread has given me a headache. I'm going to take some Tylenol. Bye!

 

[Goofyluver]

Wow, that was easy!

Here's the site: http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/

The case is Jane Doe v California Lutheran HS.

It appears that there were admitted actions involved prior to the girl's dismissal-it was not based on a rumor.

It appears that the Pastor says the students admitted their relationship, while the students say they did not. Still referring to an "alleged" lesbian relationship.

Were they within their rights? According to the CA courts.

We would NOT be having this discussion over an "alleged" hetero relationship.

 

[pweyl36]

Corrected it.

I no longer identify with Christianity anymore. I can't help it.

I see hate.

Same here I dont have a religion, most all hate. So if there is a GOD then he loves everybody not the just some people.

 

[jimmiej]

I agree! Don't even try to post any quotes from the old testament about slavery. You will be told that they don't apply any more because “Jesus released Christians from the old testament”. But that sure doesn't stop some from listing passages from that same old testament to point out how “God said” homosexuality is a sin.

There are at least two New Testament passages referring to homosexual acts. I only posted the Leviticus passage to show God speaking to Moses. You'll notice I didn't list any of the specifics.

You are correct that Christians are not under the Law, but rather Grace.

I'm not a big bible reader but from my understanding there are less than five times in the bible where it states, “and God said”.

That would be incorrect.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

It appears that the Pastor says the students admitted their relationship, while the students say they did not. Still referring to an "alleged" lesbian relationship.

Were they within their rights? According to the CA courts.

We would NOT be having this discussion over an "alleged" hetero relationship.

but it wasn't alleged! The relationship existed and the court found sufficient evidence for it.

Look, I admire your passion for this issue-I really do, but I don't think this is the case you want to storm the beach with. There's just not enough there. If discrimination against homosexuals is as rampant as you say, there have got to be more clear cut cases that would prove your point better than this one.

 

[jimmiej]

So if there is a GOD then he loves everybody not the just some people.

That's true.

 

[Goofyluver]

but it wasn't alleged! The relationship existed and the court found sufficient evidence for it.

Look, I admire your passion for this issue-I really do, but I don't think this is the case you want to storm the beach with. There's just not enough there. If discrimination against homosexuals is as rampant as you say, there have got to be more clear cut cases that would prove your point better than this one.

You should see me storm...this ain't it.

Again...we would not be having this discussion over a hetero relationship. Would we?

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

I just thank God that my children don't go to such a hate filled school, not just to homosexual people, but also just women in general. The court documents shed a very sad light on a school that's beliefs just do not stand up in the real world. Until the courts truly understand the need for antidiscriminatory laws in regards to sexual orientation as what they have for race relations, it seems that the school was within their right. Although, I don't understand how another students accusations, a couple of myspace pages, and grilling children without the presence of their parents is a good idea.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

You should see me storm...this ain't it.

Again...we would not be having this discussion over a hetero relationship. Would we?

If those hetero students were accused of acting outside of the code of conduct, and they admitted it-then, yes we would.

 

[Goofyluver]

If those hetero students were accused of acting outside of the code of conduct, and they admitted it-then, yes we would.

OMG. The lutherans are against heterosexuality?

 

[mkingdomlvr]

OMG. The lutherans are against heterosexuality?

Apparently they are against violating their code of conduct, which applies to everyone equally.

Having read the case, this is a far more conservative school than the ones I attended or the one I taught in-but the Constitution still applies to them.

I'll be interested to see if the "Doe girls" take this any further and how it's handled at a higher court.