Laws regarding public breastfeeding

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Folks don't seem to be taking exception to that since she didn't say that in any fashion whatsoever. You are purposely baiting her for your own pleasure it seems. Obviously you are on the militant side of breastfeeding in public. I think IRL most people are in the "who gives a crap" camp. It doesn't affect me and I rarely notice. aaarcher was talking about a few odd exceptions who seemed to want to expose themselves. They do exist.

I am far from militant.

She is choosing to engage in the discussion as am I.

But the law is clear. Using the exceptions to define limitations does not make it okay.

She has twice now used sexualized references as counter examples. Questioning those mentions is not out of line in the course of discussion.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It always amuses me when people have to ask these kinds of things.



Yes, in comparison to show boating your boobs. The EXTREME version of breastfeeding.

I am amused when people like to make such comparisons.

I haven't endorsed having your boobs "hang out" with no baby attached. But even then--mom isn't going for a sexual encounter.

Like when people argue that poop and pee are natural, too--but that isn't permitted in public.

 

[aaarcher86]

I am far from militant.

She is choosing to engage in the discussion as am I.

But the law is clear. Using the exceptions to define limitations does not make it okay.

She has twice now used sexualized references as counter examples. Questioning those mentions is not out of line in the course of discussion.

You realize YOURE the one that used kissing and such as a comparison?

Not sure what my second was? The JOKE about porn?

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

I am far from militant.

She is choosing to engage in the discussion as am I.

But the law is clear. Using the exceptions to define limitations does not make it okay.

She has twice now used sexualized references as counter examples. Questioning those mentions is not out of line in the course of discussion.

I think the only reason they are being used as counter examples is because they can both be considered "taboos" with extremes on both sides.

 

[aaarcher86]

I am amused when people like to make such comparisons.

I haven't endorsed having your boobs "hang out" with no baby attached. But even then--mom isn't going for a sexual encounter.

Like when people argue that poop and pee are natural, too--but that isn't permitted in public.

I feel like you need to come back to the infield. You're waaaaaay out in left field.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I wouldn't even consider that a flashy feeder.

The point that I have been making is that Others (in this very thread) would and do.

Sad, but true. It is loading very slowly on my phone, but there are those who would find photo 1 and 3 indecent and that mom should have covered up.

Comfort is too variable. And there are those (even on this thread) who would find these moms flashy and rude and inconsiderate.

(Me personally, I am to cover what they are showing within public, but that is for MY personal comfort. I don't begrudge women who nurse as they do in those photos. Nor do I suggest they be as discrete as me.)

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

You realize YOURE the one that used kissing and such as a comparison?

Not sure what my second was? The JOKE about porn?

I used it as an UNACCEPTABLE situation that would be smacked down like nobody's business of it were brought up on here. Like the common Gay Days questions--"I have no problem, but how much will we see because I would prefer not to see it" inquiries.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

You realize YOURE the one that used kissing and such as a comparison?

Not sure what my second was? The JOKE about porn?

Pasties while walking a dog.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

The point that I have been making is that Others (in this very thread) would and do.

Sad, but true. It is loading very slowly on my phone, but there are those who would find photo 1 and 3 indecent and that mom should have covered up.

Comfort is too variable. And there are those (even on this thread) who would find these moms flashy and rude and inconsiderate.

(Me personally, I am to cover what they are showing within public, but that is for MY personal comfort. I don't begrudge women who nurse as they do in those photos. Nor do I suggest they be as discrete as me.)

The point I am trying to make is that yes, there are variables in every situation. But there is also a standard within society that is the somewhere in the middle. I don't see why that is so hard for ANYONE, on both sides to fall into that.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I feel like you need to come back to the infield. You're waaaaaay out in left field.

Not really. The pictures that you don't consider flashy feeders is a good example. YOU don't have an issue. Others want that boob and cleavage entirely covered. Others want the babies head covered as well so that they can dissociate that the baby is attached to the breast.

Far too variable that definition of discrete.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The point I am trying to make is that yes, there are variables in every situation. But there is also a standard within society that is the somewhere in the middle. I don't see why that is so hard for ANYONE, on both sides to fall into that.

I am in the middle. But I don't impress my views on other mothers in a to each their own kind of way.

The vintage photos are classic examples. Half will find a problem and half will not. Neither matter.

 

[mindygirl5238]

I wouldn't even consider that a flashy feeder.

I read your two examples, so true, not as flashy as what you related. But here is how I feel about it: Should a woman be sitting on a bench at Meijer with her boob out? Nah. But breastfeeding is literally what breasts are for, so it wouldn't bother me as much as some woman (regardless of age), sitting there in a tank top or bikini that covers basically ONLY her nipple. I actually think the first is less vulgar than the second. I know that sounds completely backwards to most people, but JMO.

As for the RenFest; yeah, homegirl was probably trying to get the milk flowing. Again, not exactly what I would do. But Sweet Lord in Heaven, I see enough of boob at our local RenFest to last a lifetime in those peasant blouses. Again, to me when the wench serves me my drink & everything BUT her nipple is showing....

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

I am in the middle. But I don't impress my views on other mothers in a to each their own kind of way.

The vintage photos are classic examples. Half will find a problem and half will not. Neither matter.

I guess I misunderstood a few of your posts then...

 

[Teresa Pitman]

The point I am trying to make is that yes, there are variables in every situation. But there is also a standard within society that is the somewhere in the middle. I don't see why that is so hard for ANYONE, on both sides to fall into that.

I am not sure what the "standard within society" is, to be honest. And if the standard is that breastfeeding babies should be covered, then sometimes it is hard - babies often strongly object to having blankets or covers over them while breastfeeding.

My standard, I think, would be: mothers are mostly just doing their best to feed and take care of their babies, and need our support. If in that process we see something we don't like or weren't expecting, we can look away.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

I am not sure what the "standard within society" is, to be honest. And if the standard is that breastfeeding babies should be covered, then sometimes it is hard - babies often strongly object to having blankets or covers over them while breastfeeding.

My standard, I think, would be: mothers are mostly just doing their best to feed and take care of their babies, and need our support. If in that process we see something we don't like or weren't expecting, we can look away.

"Standard" was probably a poor choice of words.
I think there is a middle ground. To me and I think I can speak for the people in my life, that is just being mindful of others. Should a breastfeeding mother HAVE to be? No. But then people don't have to accepting or look away either. As others said, you don't have to use a cover to be discreet about it.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

"Standard" was probably a poor choice of words.
I think there is a middle ground. To me and I think I can speak for the people in my life, that is just being mindful of others. Should a breastfeeding mother HAVE to be? No. But then people don't have to accepting or look away either. As others said, you don't have to use a cover to be discreet about it.

But the point is--many won't consider you to be discrete unless you do.

I am sorry if that sounds militant. But it is true.

 

[mnrose]

Honestly, I'm way more offended by the SI Swimsuit cover (on display everyday and everywhere right now) than I am by ANY breastfeeding woman. It shows WAY more than I have ever seen by any breastfeeding woman. But, I don't go around asking that it be covered up or not sold. It's MY discomfort. I need to deal with it. Same with breastfeeding. It is perfectly legal and those who "don't like it" or wish it were "covered up" or "needs to be done with discretion" are the ones with the problem, and therefore are the ones with the solution. Look away.

 

[aaarcher86]

The point that I have been making is that Others (in this very thread) would and do.

Sad, but true. It is loading very slowly on my phone, but there are those who would find photo 1 and 3 indecent and that mom should have covered up.

Comfort is too variable. And there are those (even on this thread) who would find these moms flashy and rude and inconsiderate.

(Me personally, I am to cover what they are showing within public, but that is for MY personal comfort. I don't begrudge women who nurse as they do in those photos. Nor do I suggest they be as discrete as me.)

I haven't really seen any indication where people think that example is outlandish. I think it's pretty across the board that when mothers are showing a little something on accident or in the process of working with a breast feeding baby that no one has an issue. They may not like it, but they get that it'd really their problem on that front.

I don't know what pictures you're talking about?

Pretending like people are talking about something they aren't is just looking for a battle that's not there. And I think you've CLEARLY done that with me.

I used it as an UNACCEPTABLE situation that would be smacked down like nobody's business of it were brought up on here. Like the common Gay Days questions--"I have no problem, but how much will we see because I would prefer not to see it" inquiries.

That's interesting. Whenever there is a gay day thread or people who aren't comfortable with it I see an overwhelmingly supportive bunch of posts following. And like I said, your example was crap. Even in those very threads gay supporters will tell you they don't want to see certain things from ANY type of couple. It's the people that don't mind hand holding with straight couples but don't when it's a gay couple.

Asking me if I find it acceptable for someone to tell a gay couple not to hold hands or kiss is a loaded question. Just like pretending I have a problem with breast feeding in public. Kissing and hand holding already is using discretion, just like most breast feeding women wearing a cover or positioning their shirt would be. THATS why there was a more outlandish comparison brought up.

Pasties while walking a dog.

You're really reaching with that one. I was comparing the "get over it. It's legal" attitude. Not the act of breastfeeding to wearing pasties. This is where you start to veer off...

Not really. The pictures that you don't consider flashy feeders is a good example. YOU don't have an issue. Others want that boob and cleavage entirely covered. Others want the babies head covered as well so that they can dissociate that the baby is attached to the breast.

Far too variable that definition of discrete.

And that's where I think any reasonable person can tell the difference. Reasonable, being the prime word.

 

[aaarcher86]

I read your two examples, so true, not as flashy as what you related. But here is how I feel about it: Should a woman be sitting on a bench at Meijer with her boob out? Nah. But breastfeeding is literally what breasts are for, so it wouldn't bother me as much as some woman (regardless of age), sitting there in a tank top or bikini that covers basically ONLY her nipple. I actually think the first is less vulgar than the second. I know that sounds completely backwards to most people, but JMO.

As for the RenFest; yeah, homegirl was probably trying to get the milk flowing. Again, not exactly what I would do. But Sweet Lord in Heaven, I see enough of boob at our local RenFest to last a lifetime in those peasant blouses. Again, to me when the wench serves me my drink & everything BUT her nipple is showing....

I get what you're saying. I think it's coming off that my examples offended me, and they didn't. But I definitely couldn't wrap my head around them.

And in the grand scheme of life, they're a drop in the bucket. The only reason I'm even discussing them is a) there's a thread and b) someone asked directly.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I haven't really seen any indication where people think that example is outlandish. I think it's pretty across the board that when mothers are showing a little something on accident or in the process of working with a breast feeding baby that no one has an issue. They may not like it, but they get that it'd really their problem on that front.

I don't know what pictures you're talking about?

Pretending like people are talking about something they aren't is just looking for a battle that's not there. And I think you've CLEARLY done that with me.



That's interesting. Whenever there is a gay day thread or people who aren't comfortable with it I see an overwhelmingly supportive bunch of posts following. And like I said, your example was crap. Even in those very threads gay supporters will tell you they don't want to see certain things from ANY type of couple. It's the people that don't mind hand holding with straight couples but don't when it's a gay couple.

Asking me if I find it acceptable for someone to tell a gay couple not to hold hands or kiss is a loaded question. Just like pretending I have a problem with breast feeding in public. Kissing and hand holding already is using discretion, just like most breast feeding women wearing a cover or positioning their shirt would be. THATS why there was a more outlandish comparison brought up.



You're really reaching with that one. I was comparing the "get over it. It's legal" attitude. Not the act of breastfeeding to wearing pasties. This is where you start to veer off...



And that's where I think any reasonable person can tell the difference. Reasonable, being the prime word.

We must be reading Gay days threads.
So, this is not "loaded question"that is crap (nice by the way!),

So you are suggesting the DIs community is against holding hands and does NOT negative react to a family concerned with seeing that when inquiring on the DIS?