Latest Artist Point and Whispering Canyon Rumors

Just my opinion, but it seems like Disney has inflated prices year after year and has created an economic bubble; while Artist Point is a really nice place to eat, personally I don't choose to eat at places that expensive, this is strictly a once a year place for us. For the cost to eat there once ($100-120 for 2), we can go eat out three or four times at other non-Disney places. Don't know how a place can survive on diners who only show up maybe once a year. For us, we're just not dining on property as much.

If they reduced their prices, slightly modified their menu, basically switched to a 1 credit TS, I'm sure it would be packed.
$100/$120 for two aint bad. Heck, I ate there alone in November and my bill alone was $90. :teeth: Yes its very expensive. But personally I have no problem spending all that money on food if the food is worth it. And for me, its worth every single penny. I've always had phenomenal food there.

Also, I hope they dont change to a 1 TS restaurant. The food quality would take a nose dive no doubt. Or am I just being a pessimist? o_O
 
$100/$120 for two aint bad. Heck, I ate there alone in November and my bill alone was $90. :teeth: Yes its very expensive. But personally I have no problem spending all that money on food if the food is worth it. And for me, its worth every single penny. I've always had phenomenal food there.

Also, I hope they dont change to a 1 TS restaurant. The food quality would take a nose dive no doubt. Or am I just being a pessimist? o_O
Moving AP to a simple 1TS would almost inevitably signal a drop in quality. As for expense, all Signatures are expensive--heck, overall dining at Disney is costly: $6.50 for an Uncrustables PB&J, $11 for a chili cheese dog, $21 for meatloaf, and the hit list goes on. However, that's one of the expenses for which we plan--generally overpriced food, including Signatures. Still, we don't find AP any more unusually priced than any other Signature. It's apparent lack of appeal has a lot to do with marketing, rather the lack thereof. For too many people, it seems out of the way; for others, they believe that it's nothing but game food (which isn't true, though if it were I'd love it). AP isn't everyone's cup of tea, just as we have certain places that will never see our shadows. I just don't believe that expense alone is what's driving the change at AP.
 
So let's look at the official DATA:

1) AP shut down after OCT 28, 2018 (verified).
2) NO date for reopening (verified).

Pending WDW "talking"?....


Thank you for this because I was just trying to get a reservation for December and no times available all week. Thought something like this may be happening. Too bad too if it's changing. Had one of our best meals for our October 2017 trip here.
 
Could they be putting the signature in the lobby and moving the noisier more chaotic restaurant to where AP is? Also we enjoyed GP during our last trip but of course didn't really eat there, only drinks. It's such a beautiful spot particularly in the evening. Drinks were excellent when one of the bartenders was on duty, the other nights when he wasn't, not so much.
 

Our dinner at AP a few years ago was one of the best meals I've ever had at AP. And the restaurant was pretty full the night we went.

That said, it's been obvious for a few years that ADRs are easy to get there...even for larger parties and just a few days out. As great as the food was in our experience, it wasn't enough to bring the crowds in. I think the same can be said for WC, because I've seen a lot of availability there the past few years just a few days out from our trips.

A lot of that may have to do with WC's location. It's not on the monorail loop, and for people going to dinner from a park, a boat ride, no matter how short, can make it seem 'longer' (IMO) for many WDW guests who don't know the ends and outs of the resorts the this board does. I've seen this in my own family. The monorail loop is 'right there' where you can see it, and WL is tucked away. It's perception over reality.

So WDW is doing what they can to generate more business at a slightly 'out of the way' resort.

I don't like it. I like character meals well enough, but I can't think of any characters that would appear at WL that would be worth the trip for my family when so many more loved character options are available. And I really hate to see what's billed as a Deluxe resort lack a quiet, elegant dining location (I just cannot equate characters with elegance).

This also makes me sad because I wonder what will happen at AKL? ADRs are pretty easy to get there, in my experience, even for larger groups and at the last minute. I'd hate for some of the great and out-of-the-usual restaurants there to lose their theming or unique things that make them special...though I admit, I'd adore a Lion King themed character meal and would make a bee-line for AKL if they had one!

If they close Jiko then that's the last straw and I'm selling my DVC! :mad:
 
To that point though...I don't think not having a sig hurt Poly's sales any at all. Of course, it has other things going for it.

The difference is the Poly is on the monorail with plenty of other options around it. Besides it also has the perk of having arguably one of WDW's most popular restaurants in Ohana.
 
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Could they be putting the signature in the lobby and moving the noisier more chaotic restaurant to where AP is? Also we enjoyed GP during our last trip but of course didn't really eat there, only drinks. It's such a beautiful spot particularly in the evening. Drinks were excellent when one of the bartenders was on duty, the other nights when he wasn't, not so much.
It's possible they could be switching AP's locale with WCC; however, such a move again creates issues. First, what of Territory Lounge? It would be sitting right next to a TS aimed at families--I wouldn't care but would others? Moreover, that means TL would no longer be connected to AP which is a soul mate in many regards. Meanwhile, moving AP to a smaller location would be fine logistically, I think, but the locale? Open air to the main Lodge lobby without any real scenery would be its fate, and I don't know that such a location would speak Signature. I always felt WCC was a touch claustrophobic and crowded despite looking out over the lobby. It feels squeezed into the space, though I know it isn't. Further, the move still doesn't quell any rumors regarding AP becoming a character meal. If it were to move, would it become one or would that perhaps make WCC the character meal restaurant on property? It's a conundrum that I'm continuing to watch. . .
 
Funny, it looks like she left the Contemporary as GM right before Cali Grill and the wave really stepped their game up from a quality and consistency standpoint. That could be a coincidence, but if what everyone is saying about WL is true, probably not.

Let's pray she doesn't end up at AKL next.
 
It's possible they could be switching AP's locale with WCC; however, such a move again creates issues. First, what of Territory Lounge? It would be sitting right next to a TS aimed at families--I wouldn't care but would others? Moreover, that means TL would no longer be connected to AP which is a soul mate in many regards. Meanwhile, moving AP to a smaller location would be fine logistically, I think, but the locale? Open air to the main Lodge lobby without any real scenery would be its fate, and I don't know that such a location would speak Signature. I always felt WCC was a touch claustrophobic and crowded despite looking out over the lobby. It feels squeezed into the space, though I know it isn't. Further, the move still doesn't quell any rumors regarding AP becoming a character meal. If it were to move, would it become one or would that perhaps make WCC the character meal restaurant on property? It's a conundrum that I'm continuing to watch. . .
No, they could move the lounge as well, then use both spaces for WCC, it would make sense and it would solve the noise issues and hopefully get WCC back to what it used to be.

Better still would be if Disney simply told the complainers to go fly a kite, they knew what they were getting when they booked.
 
Could they be putting the signature in the lobby and moving the noisier more chaotic restaurant to where AP is? Also we enjoyed GP during our last trip but of course didn't really eat there, only drinks. It's such a beautiful spot particularly in the evening. Drinks were excellent when one of the bartenders was on duty, the other nights when he wasn't, not so much.
THIS is a good idea. Now, both Restaurant spaces would need pretty much a total overhaul. But a true SIG in the current WC space would drastically reduce the noise level, and "move" that noise level into the 3rd floor(?) area of what is now Rental Space.

A hypothetical: If I were going to do this, I would tackle one area at a time. FIRST establish breakfast & lunch at what is now AP. WHY? Because SERIOUS architectural work would need to be performed on the existing WC "space" to cut off lobby noise getting IN, and make that "space" into something new. Betting a good 2 year time frame? Meanwhile - guests need to EAT.

Just me - I totally discount GP as being worth anything more than a pool bar, at this point. What a waste :(.

All personal opinion - I'm not necessarily right, no one else is necessarily wrong.
 
I just booked another restaurant for DH b'day but I'm so hoping AP becomes available for December so I can change. A character meal just won't do though. He would never forgive me! :duck:
 
THIS is a good idea. Now, both Restaurant spaces would need pretty much a total overhaul. But a true SIG in the current WC space would drastically reduce the noise level, and "move" that noise level into the 3rd floor(?) area of what is now Rental Space.

A hypothetical: If I were going to do this, I would tackle one area at a time. FIRST establish breakfast & lunch at what is now AP. WHY? Because SERIOUS architectural work would need to be performed on the existing WC "space" to cut off lobby noise getting IN, and make that "space" into something new. Betting a good 2 year time frame? Meanwhile - guests need to EAT.

Just me - I totally discount GP as being worth anything more than a pool bar, at this point. What a waste :(.

All personal opinion - I'm not necessarily right, no one else is necessarily wrong.

I only thought of this because of the noise issue really. It does makes more sense to me to have the character meal at WCC instead of AP. I don't know much about the view from WCC or if there even is one. That is really a nice touch at the current AP space. I do agree GP is a bar and nothing more. It's a gorgeous space though and yes it is wasted. DH and I went there for drinks at least 3 times during our May trip. The most I had for food there was a fruit plate although a VERY GOOD one.
 
$100/$120 for two aint bad. Heck, I ate there alone in November and my bill alone was $90. :teeth: Yes its very expensive. But personally I have no problem spending all that money on food if the food is worth it. And for me, its worth every single penny. I've always had phenomenal food there.

Also, I hope they dont change to a 1 TS restaurant. The food quality would take a nose dive no doubt. Or am I just being a pessimist? o_O

($100-120) We usually have a Tables in Wonderland discount, so 20% discount reflected in my estimate, and we're not ordering a lot of alcohol, maybe 1-2 glasses of wine.

I am in agreement with your points. I would like to elaborate.

Disney has created their own ecosystem revolving around Disney Food and it is a closed system, all food at Disney is pretty much Disney food, even vendors who are paying for the right to be in Disney Springs are now under this umbrella of "Disney food". There is some hyped magic about 2 TS aka Signature Restaurants, very high expectations. When it comes to Disney, me included, it's like I have stars in my eyes or something (even with QS, some of the QS is just awful). For the same money spent at Artist Point, you can have a pretty phenomenal at Ruth's Chris for example (probably with larger portion size as well). I've had excellent food at Artist Point, and I've also had "meh" food, sometimes I don't love what I order because they put something not so great on the plate.

Let me give an example, the Grapefruit Cake at HBD. It's good, probably not as good as the hype around makes it out to be though, and I absolutely love grapefruit. Disney isn't responsible for all the hype, it is the people who go and then report back about this or that, and then people want to try the same stuff. I think Disney does take some measure of pride in their signature offerings, and their chefs want to provide a high level experience to their guests.

I'm sure it would be accurate to say the food would change if it was changed to a 1 TS (non-signature). I've had some very nice 1 TS meals at Disney.

One thing is certain, everything changes. I've come to accept that. So, we'll see how these changes unfold.
 
Yikes. That's about as mean a thing as I've heard here and I say some pretty screwed up stuff. I don't just mean screwed up I mean weird screwed up. Let's just hope things get better and people are enlightened by success instead.

I'm amazed that some can call for the firing of someone without knowing what her marching orders were or what changes she directly implemented. Some pretty harsh feelings based on speculation.
 
I'm amazed that some can call for the firing of someone without knowing what her marching orders were or what changes she directly implemented. Some pretty harsh feelings based on speculation.
Hey, based on all that I have seen from her, she is in the same company as someone execs at Disneyland and while it sounds harsh, based on all we have seen of her track record, I don't know that anything else would be good. This is a case where I would love to be proven wrong, but she clearly messed things up at the contemporary and pretty much everywhere she has gone, so what can be done? That is why I flat out say fire her, now if for some reason she was given marching orders, fire the person ultimately responsible for said orders, but she takes full credit as the chief person responsible for reunion station, which is a nightmare that never should have happened and that alone is worth her being asked to leave. Yes, it sounds harsh and messed up, but what can you do with someone who refuses to even acknowledge past mistakes, let alone learn from them,
 














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