Latest Artist Point and Whispering Canyon Rumors

[goofyintoronto]

Thanks. So it looks like they failed to explain why AP is not open for reservations beyond late October.

Correct. Its a mystery for now.

 

[Dean Marino]

Correct. Its a mystery for now.

So let's look at the official DATA:

1) AP shut down after OCT 28, 2018 (verified).
2) NO date for reopening (verified).

Pending WDW "talking"?....

 

[sotoalf]

I must say, I'm surprised that AP is the least popular Signature Dining restaurant. It's possible that in all those years of dining we missed how expertly management arranged guests in the room so that it looked comfortably full. As recently as 2014 we had trouble finding a table for four in February and late March. Is it that easy to get a table these days?

 

[PolyRob]

I must say, I'm surprised that AP is the least popular Signature Dining restaurant. It's possible that in all those years of dining we missed how expertly management arranged guests in the room so that it looked comfortably full. As recently as 2014 we had trouble finding a table for four in February and late March. Is it that easy to get a table these days?

The last time I was at AP was in spring of 2017. I had a 7:30pm ADR on a Sunday and I was one of four tables with people at it. Food and service were top notch, but it was very quiet. WL was still heavily under construction so that may have contributed to the emptiness.

I will admit, my family does not normally stay at WL. We only attempted dining at WCC and AP after wonderful reviews here on DISboards. I am so glad I read about them and dined multiple times before these possible changes take place.

 

[OKW Lover]

The last time I was at AP was in spring of 2017. I had a 7:30pm ADR on a Sunday and I was one of four tables with people at it. Food and service were top notch, but it was very quiet.

We had a similar experience just last month. There were more people, but still a lot of empty tables.

 

[sleepydog25]

I must say, I'm surprised that AP is the least popular Signature Dining restaurant. It's possible that in all those years of dining we missed how expertly management arranged guests in the room so that it looked comfortably full. As recently as 2014 we had trouble finding a table for four in February and late March. Is it that easy to get a table these days?

AP has always been a bit out of the way, yet that's part of the charm to me. The setting and ambiance of the Lodge and AP are topnotch. It's my home resort, and I've eaten at AP more times than I can remember. I've seen it quite full, and I've seen it fairly empty. Generally, we go early as that's our preferred time to eat (6-ish), and it's not usually busy to start. By the time we leave, however, it's usually much busier. It did have a lull when the new construction for Copper Creek was going on--all the restaurants there did. More than anything, AP's issues (if there are any) are due to marketing.

 

[Dug720]

My dad dragged us there (AP) a couple of times because he loved the salmon. The rest of us tolerated it (I honestly think the last time I was forced there I made a meal of sides because the only thing I would eat was the most expensive thing on the menu and I was not going to be that person). And it was NEVER anywhere close to full.

 

[BuzzyBelle]

I would hate to see WL lose its signature restaurant, but would love for them to bring the character breakfast back to the space. I saw this on disneyfoodblog:
http://www.disneyfoodblog.com/2018/...ellers-cafe-at-disneylands-grand-californian/

Wonder if they're considering something like this since the design of GCF and WL is so similar? It would be great to have unique characters like they used to instead of another Mickey meal, but Mickey and Minnie's outfits are so adorable at this one. Or other characters with this same adventurers/explorers theme. Hoping everything works out and the restaurants here get some love.

 

[goofyintoronto]

So let's look at the official DATA:

1) AP shut down after OCT 28, 2018 (verified).
2) NO date for reopening (verified).

Pending WDW "talking"?....

ha ha, love the clip.

I honestly dont think Emilio has all of the information. No ADRs are available after Oct.28. We'll just have to wait and see what happens I guess.

 

[Capang]

Absolutely true. Now, let's read this.

"ADRs are not open after this October".

Really, one can stop there. WDW is not talking - when they do? People can plan. But given the current DATA? There is no AP after Oct 28, 2018.
If anyone has any DATA? Would love to see it. Else? This is a dead restaurant. PLEASE - prove me wrong, with DATA.

It doesn't mean it is dead, but there are no ADRs. There is no data to prove otherwise. Might there be changes ges of some sort? Sure. Tables their have been empty. So where some love the place, most didn't as evident by the ADRs. So sure, a change will probably happen to fill tables. But all we have are rumors. No data yet.

 

[Dean Marino]

Deleted - don't need the hate mail.

 

[LVSWL]

So I have to ask? If you can NOT get an ADR? How is this Restaurant in business, any longer?
Just askin. No ADR's? Dead.

No ADRs are available after 10/28/18.

 

[Nancyg56]

So I have to ask? If you can NOT get an ADR? How is this Restaurant in business, any longer?
Just askin. No ADR's? Dead.

Until those doors close, AP is open for business. My job is to run payroll for small businesses who choose to farm it out to my employer, and I have several restaurants that are suffered greatly financially. They balance payroll, EMAC supplements, and operations expenses, robbing Peter to pay Paul. They are open until the day they lock that door.

Please try not to confuse a restaurant in limbo to one that is dead. If you mean AP as you know it may not ever be the same, you are probably correct, but if you mean that becuase you have no inside information about any changes AP may be making, the restaurant is dead, well... we just do not know that.

I also am frustrated that Disney has not provided any feedback regarding AP or what the silence in terms of no ADR's means, but that is par for DIsney's course, IMO. They probably do nto know what they are going to do with the mess that they have on their hands at that resort. I also thnk that if they admitted that they might get some viable solutions to the problem from guests who have experience in turning around failing restaurants, or from guests who know exactly what they want from a restaurant in WL> After all, in the end guests are the determining factor that will make a restaurant succeed or fail.

 

[NYCgrrl]

Good grief, it looks like I chose the wrong year to have Christmas dinner at Artist Point. I'd even be up for trying a new version of the restaurant if anything on the new menu looks good to me, but as of now it's questionable if they will be open at all this Christmas.

We planned to eat there for Thanksgiving but now have a reservation at Flying Fish instead. Had an ADR for our 4th of July trip but I missed it as I arrived in FL a day later than everyone else. Wondering if this is a good excuse to plan an adults' only trip before October 28th.........

 

[GillianP1301]

So I have to ask? If you can NOT get an ADR? How is this Restaurant in business, any longer?
Just askin. No ADR's? Dead.

When other restaurants have had no ADRs available it's because they are being refurbed. The refurb announcement does not always come out before the ADRs disappear. Given all the chatter about AP right now, it seems a refurb is the most likely scenario.

 

[DaisyDuck001]

When other restaurants have had no ADRs available it's because they are being refurbed. The refurb announcement does not always come out before the ADRs disappear. Given all the chatter about AP right now, it seems a refurb is the most likely scenario.

I agree. What's frustrating to so many Artist Point fans is that we have no information on what the refurb will entail, with regard to either the menu or the decor. And no information on how long the refurb will last. And it is truly puzzling that it would be shut down during the busy holidays instead of starting the refurb in January.

 

[LVSWL]

I agree. What's frustrating to so many Artist Point fans is that we have no information on what the refurb will entail, with regard to either the menu or the decor. And no information on how long the refurb will last. And it is truly puzzling that it would be shut down during the busy holidays instead of starting the refurb in January.

I agree. It really makes no sense to be closed during the holidays at all.

 

[Capang]

So I have to ask? If you can NOT get an ADR? How is this Restaurant in business, any longer?
Just askin. No ADR's? Dead.

We don't know if the menu will be redone, the place will get a complete overhaul, or what. We just know ADRs aren't there yet. BOG had the same thing before the menu changed. So who knows.

 

[rricks26]

Wilderness lodge is the only MK hotel that doesn’t have a character dining. Would make sense to change a slow signature into a guaranteed busy character meal. Build a new signature at the new DVC wing or, make wcc signature if complaints about the theming are being made. Keeps something family friendly in a new character meal but, would retain a signature restaurant instead of losing one.

 

[brertoad]

Just my opinion, but it seems like Disney has inflated prices year after year and has created an economic bubble; while Artist Point is a really nice place to eat, personally I don't choose to eat at places that expensive, this is strictly a once a year place for us. For the cost to eat there once ($100-120 for 2), we can go eat out three or four times at other non-Disney places. Don't know how a place can survive on diners who only show up maybe once a year. For us, we're just not dining on property as much.

If they reduced their prices, slightly modified their menu, basically switched to a 1 credit TS, I'm sure it would be packed.