Las Vegas Shooting

[sam_gordon]

For anyone interested, Las Vegas officials are supposed to conduct a briefing at 4p.

 

[BadPinkTink]

Hm... I sincerely hope we don't ever have to get to the point where just checking into our hotel involves going through a TSA-style x-ray luggage check and metal detector. One mass killer, by himself, is not enough reason (in my personal opinion) to search everyone's luggage and body for hidden weapons.

This is what happens at Disneyland Paris onsite hotels. There is a security checkpoint and xray machine at the entrance to each onsite hotel. To get to the hotel lobby, all luggage must go through the TSA style scanner. As a result of this security check, guns were found in the luggage of guests checking into Hotel New York last year

 

[sam_gordon]

This is what happens at Disneyland Paris onsite hotels. There is a security checkpoint and xray machine at the entrance to each onsite hotel. To get to the hotel lobby, all luggage must go through the TSA style scanner

Are there multiple entrances at the hotels? Do they have security at each entrance?

 

[Magpie]

This is what happens at Disneyland Paris onsite hotels. There is a security checkpoint and xray machine at the entrance to each onsite hotel. To get to the hotel lobby, all luggage must go through the TSA style scanner

So, do you have to go through security again at the gate to the park, or are you now "inside the bubble"?

And is this routine for other non-Disneyland hotels in Paris, or is it a practice particular to the ones associated with the theme park?

 

[BadPinkTink]

Are there multiple entrances at the hotels? Do they have security at each entrance?

For some hotels yes there are multiple entrances. I havent stayed at those hotels since the new security checks. I stayed at Disneyland Hotel in February 2016 and there was just one entrance to the lobby

 

[BadPinkTink]

So, do you have to go through security again at the gate to the park, or are you now "inside the bubble"?

Yes you have to go through security again to get to the parks. The onsite hotels are the far side of Disney village, meaning if you walk you have to go through security check and bag scan again to enter Disney village. Once in Disney village you are in the Disney bubble. If you take the shuttle bus you have to go through security to enter Disney village and if you park in the carpark you have to go through security to go through Disney village.

And is this routine for other non-Disneyland hotels in Paris, or is it a practice particular to the ones associated with the theme park?

I dont know, I havent stayed in Paris city centre since the terorist attack so I dont know how the regular city hotels are

 

[moon]

‘I cannot express how wrong I was’: Country guitarist changes mind on gun control after Vegas

n the wake of the deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas on Sunday night that left at least 58 people dead and more than 500 injured, the Josh Abbott Band — like many country acts — posted a message that sent thoughts and prayers to the victims. The Texas-based group performed at the Route 91 Harvest festival Sunday afternoon, several hours before a gunman fired into the crowd during Jason Aldean’s set.

“I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with [Concealed Handgun Licenses], and legal firearms on the bus,” Keeter wrote. “They were useless.” He continued:

We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us. A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power.

Enough is enough.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ind-on-gun-control-after-vegas/?utm_term=.687

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He makes a great point when he says "We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us."

So much for the argument that if more people carry guns they could stop these mass murderers

 

[Magpie]

Yes you have to go through security again to get to the parks. The onsite hotels are the far side of Disney village, meaning if you walk you have to go through security check and bag scan again to enter Disney village. Once in Disney village you are in the Disney bubble. If you take the shuttle bus you have to go through security to enter Disney village and if you park in the carpark you have to go through security to go through Disney village.

I dont know, I havent stayed in Paris city centre since the terorist attack so I dont know how the regular city hotels are

Very interesting!

I also found this...

"Under French law, hotels are required to ask all foreign customers to complete an individual police form. Moreover, each establishment has the right to carry out security checks. Restaurants, bars and clubs are open and operating normally. However, to guarantee the security of their customers, each establishment has the right to carry out security checks (bag inspections, frisking, etc.).

Read more at: http://uk.france.fr/en/information/security-measures-france

 

[Domo]

I remember a very sad story where a mother was exercising her right to a concealed firearm... her infant child reached into her bag and >bang< she was dead.

Desperate extremes.

I am proud to live in a Kingdom with extremely tense gun laws. We have very little gun violence and when people try to illegally acquire firearms, virtually every time they are stopped. As the Met chief said, if you try to smuggle guns into our country, you will get caught.

 

[nd5056]

I assume (yea, I know), they could isolate it by floor or wing (especially a building that large), but I doubt it would isolated to a single room.

The technology is there, and it makes sense to use in in large structures to pinpoint the problem area.

Addressable Fire Alarm Control Panel (link...)

...
An addressable fire alarm system is one in which all fire and smoke detection devices in a system are connected and communicate both with each other and a central control monitoring location. This interconnectivity allows the control personnel to identify the location or “address” where the initial detection occurred. The information directs the emergency response team to pinpoint their efforts immediately to the precise location of the developing problem.
...

Using computer-aided design technology, HRSS experts can integrate a full menu of fire detection and notification devices. The design capability provides a 3-dimensional replication of the entire facility to determine precise locations for detection and alarm devices, as well as optimal and secondary evacuation routes. A Notifier addressable fire alarm control panel and central control monitoring site will provide the utmost security for occupants and the building.
...

 

[erin1715]

‘I cannot express how wrong I was’: Country guitarist changes mind on gun control after Vegas

n the wake of the deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas on Sunday night that left at least 58 people dead and more than 500 injured, the Josh Abbott Band — like many country acts — posted a message that sent thoughts and prayers to the victims. The Texas-based group performed at the Route 91 Harvest festival Sunday afternoon, several hours before a gunman fired into the crowd during Jason Aldean’s set.

“I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with [Concealed Handgun Licenses], and legal firearms on the bus,” Keeter wrote. “They were useless.” He continued:

We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us. A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power.

Enough is enough.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ind-on-gun-control-after-vegas/?utm_term=.687

==============================

He makes a freat point whern he says "We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us."

So much for the argument that if more people carry guns they could stop these mass murderers

Yeah but then in the same situation you had John Rich (from country band, Big and Rich), who has a permit to carry, give his gun to an off-duty officer who wasn't carrying for the first time ever, so that he could secure the building. They were at a local restaurant that John Rich owns when all this was happening.

So while I agree that carrying a firearm would not have helped the people at that concert in that specific situation, I do think it could be helpful in other scenarios.

 

[texaslover]

Story that went up recently on Fox News about the money wiring:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...thousands-dollars-overseas-officials-say.html

 

[mummabear]

If I may offer an opinion, part of the problem facing us is keeping guns away from criminals and threatening individuals in general. The wider debate about gun control in general is for another day.

While I agree with the sentiment, I don’t think it would have helped here.
I do think looking at the number of guns people are buying could be one thing to be looked at.

I have not seen any thing to say why 2 windows were shot out. They seemed too far apart to be from the same room. Unless it was a big suite, I guess. Just hadn't seen anything about the 2nd window.

I had wondered that too

 

[robinb]

Is it illegal to bring a legally purchased firearm into hotels in Las Vegas?

 

[Magpie]

‘I cannot express how wrong I was’: Country guitarist changes mind on gun control after Vegas

n the wake of the deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas on Sunday night that left at least 58 people dead and more than 500 injured, the Josh Abbott Band — like many country acts — posted a message that sent thoughts and prayers to the victims. The Texas-based group performed at the Route 91 Harvest festival Sunday afternoon, several hours before a gunman fired into the crowd during Jason Aldean’s set.

“I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with [Concealed Handgun Licenses], and legal firearms on the bus,” Keeter wrote. “They were useless.” He continued:

We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us. A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power.

Enough is enough.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ind-on-gun-control-after-vegas/?utm_term=.687

==============================

He makes a freat point whern he says "We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us."

So much for the argument that if more people carry guns they could stop these mass murderers

I'm reminded of Philando Castile, and how some people argued he shouldn't have acquired his gun license in the first place, because it wasn't prudent for him (as a black male) to carry a weapon in any circumstances.

Yeah but then in the same situation you had John Rich (from country band, Big and Rich), who has a permit to carry, give his gun to an off-duty officer who wasn't carrying for the first time ever, so that he could secure the building. They were at a local restaurant that John Rich owns when all this was happening.

So while I agree that carrying a firearm would not have helped the people at that concert in that specific situation, I do think it could be helpful in other scenarios.

I'm guessing that John Rich was well known to that officer (at least by reputation, if not personally), and would have been considered especially trustworthy, being a restaurant owner in his own establishment.

 

[Domo]

I do think looking at the number of guns people are buying could be one thing to be looked at.

If we are stuck with lethal weapons in our midst, I'd prefer restrictions on the nature of the firearm. Handguns are too easy to secrete - I could sneak one into Disney World and go on a spree. I believe fully automatic firearms are banned in the US already?

 

[LYSE]

‘I cannot express how wrong I was’: Country guitarist changes mind on gun control after Vegas

n the wake of the deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas on Sunday night that left at least 58 people dead and more than 500 injured, the Josh Abbott Band — like many country acts — posted a message that sent thoughts and prayers to the victims. The Texas-based group performed at the Route 91 Harvest festival Sunday afternoon, several hours before a gunman fired into the crowd during Jason Aldean’s set.

“I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with [Concealed Handgun Licenses], and legal firearms on the bus,” Keeter wrote. “They were useless.” He continued:

We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us. A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power.

Enough is enough.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ind-on-gun-control-after-vegas/?utm_term=.687

==============================

He makes a freat point whern he says "We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us."

So much for the argument that if more people carry guns they could stop these mass murderers

So much for the argument that if everyone carries mass shootings would be more of a blood bath....

Carrying may or may not be useful, in this case it wasn't very useful at all as pretty much no weapons on the ground were useful..but that is not always the case.

 

[erin1715]

I'm reminded of Philando Castile, and how some people argued he shouldn't have acquired his gun license in the first place, because it wasn't prudent for him (as a black male) to carry a weapon in any circumstances.



I'm guessing that John Rich was well known to that officer (at least by reputation, if not personally), and would have been considered especially trustworthy, being a restaurant owner in his own establishment.

Probably, but what I'm saying is he had a permit to carry and his gun could have been useful if someone came into that restaurant.

 

[Magpie]

Story that went up recently on Fox News about the money wiring:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...thousands-dollars-overseas-officials-say.html

Quote: An Australian newspaper, Brisbane’s Courier-Mail, reported Monday that Danley was an “Australian citizen originally from the Philippines.”

I think she's completely innocent, but I think she'd be foolish to ever return to the US. Not with her face and name being plastered up beside his, like that.

 

[lifesavacation]

Story that went up recently on Fox News about the money wiring:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/0...thousands-dollars-overseas-officials-say.html

I know that they've said his girlfriend is not a suspect, but I find it too coincidental that she left the country prior to this happening and they can't track her down. And with the money being sent out of the country, I really do believe she's connected somehow.