Landlord Gave A Stranger My House Keys!

(for any posters who haven't a clue about tenant/landlord law in california -- personal perspective never supercedes the law. i'm just sayin'...)

good luck with your situation. i hope things work out for you.
 
i would have made quite a scene myself; without notice, there isn't any way to know the guy who arrived was legit...he could have been any schmoe walking in off the street in painter's garb with the intention to steal or worse...we see this all the time and are warned about it constantly.

the law aside (which are stringent and extensive in california), what about common courtesy? your landlord wouldn't want somebody just trapsing into their home without notice or invitation either.

out of curiosity, have you asked the landlord why they did not notify you and allow time for you to arrange to be home that day?


Thank you for the support. I have no interest in arguing with landlords or their relatives on a message board where there is no way of knowing whether anyone is who they say they are. Landlords can claim that they are renters who think that I have nothing to be upset about because the Internet, for all its flaws, is a powerful tool for political organizing.

I am not an attorney. I have only court reporter's training, but I do know that a huge percentage of civil suits are landlord/tenant disputes. I was also on a jury for a landlord/tenant dispute during which I told my husband that I did not want to talk to our landlord becaue I did not want to be biased on the jury due to anything that might be going on with our landlord, whether it was good or bad. I actually do like him. He is funny sometimes. I just didn't want to talk to him at all while I was on that jury and possibly get in an argument or anything that might influence me while I was on that jury.

That being said I do hope that they are planning to sell the building. My attempts to talk to the landlady, who was so angry at my husband for questioning whether this painter belonged at our residence after we thought that the work had been completed the day before have not been successful. She does not want to be bothered with tenants. She really is kind of like a waitress who wants to be tipped but doesn't want to wait on anybody.

I am very reluctant to get into confrontations with a man that I know is old and sick. He has told me in our last couple of conversations that he and his wife are getting ready to expire. My husband laughed and said that maybe Mr. is ready to expire but Mrs. is ready to start dating again. I usually deal with the wife because she usually answers the telephone or the door.

We have lived at our address for nearly 21 years though so saying that we are bad tenants who want something for nothing because we want to feel safe in our home is hogwash. If we had the money, we probably would move out of the state of California anyway. I really do think that the landlady is going to be a pain after her husband dies. I think that he has been the buffer between her and tenants and pretty much the world for decades now.
 
I have followed up with this since we have never gotten a written notice from the landlord about anything the whole time that we have lived here. We didn't understand why it should be a two-day process to paint what was only window sills where windows have been replaced at the landlord's discretion. It was not not like the whole place was being painted because then we would have needed to go elsewhere to sleep anyway.

I realize that this is a Disney web site; and it has recently come to my attention on the college programs section of this message board that Disney is now very, very much in the landlord business. However, I will say for the benefit of tenants here that if your landlord starts treating you as an employee instead of a customer, remind him that he is lucky to have a customer who can pay the rent in today's economy. It can be costly to get an tenant who cannot or will not pay out. Then they have got a vacant unit, and vacant units are not making the landlord any money while he spends to get a new tenant.

There would never have been any bad blood between me and a landlady, who is now backing off, if she hadn't decided that I was a peasant whose concerns she needn't concern herself with.
 
Thank you for the support. I have no interest in arguing with landlords or their relatives on a message board where there is no way of knowing whether anyone is who they say they are. Landlords can claim that they are renters who think that I have nothing to be upset about because the Internet, for all its flaws, is a powerful tool for political organizing.
Amazing. Truly stunning. You infer all that from a completely impartial poster simply trying (as I typically do) to present what might be the other side.

Actually, there are three sides to every story - in this case: the OP's side, the landlord's side, and somewhere between the two, the absolute truth.

I would again like to point out that, based on the information provided in the original post: the landlord did not give the OP's keys to anyone, he gave his (or his spare) keys to: someone who is apparently not a stranger to him, but is a workman, to enter: units in a house owned by the landlord - not the tenants - which the landlord rents to the tenants.

Think whatever you want. I don't own property; I will likely never own property; I have never been to San Francisco; I do not know anybody who lives in or owns property in San Francisco (hoping that repeating myself will get these facts to sink in) or anywhere else - which includes relatives, friends of relatives, relatives of friends, friends of friends, and any other connection of which one can conceive.; and - a new one - I have no political agenda.
 

Amazing. Truly stunning. You infer all that from a completely impartial poster simply trying (as I typically do) to present what might be the other side.

Actually, there are three sides to every story - in this case: the OP's side, the landlord's side, and somewhere between the two, the absolute truth.

I would again like to point out that, based on the information provided in the original post: the landlord did not give the OP's keys to anyone, he gave his (or his spare) keys to: someone who is apparently not a stranger to him, but is a workman, to enter: units in a house owned by the landlord - not the tenants - which the landlord rents to the tenants.

Think whatever you want. I don't own property; I will likely never own property; I have never been to San Francisco; I do not know anybody who lives in or owns property in San Francisco (hoping that repeating myself will get these facts to sink in) or anywhere else - which includes relatives, friends of relatives, relatives of friends, friends of friends, and any other connection of which one can conceive.; and - a new one - I have no political agenda.

you are seriously off base. it doesn't matter who owns a place; it matters what the law says about landlord tenant relationships. since you've admittedly never been to san francisco and are not aware of those laws, why not leave the op alone. op came here for help, not what you're dishing out.
 
you are seriously off base. it doesn't matter who owns a place; it matters what the law says about landlord tenant relationships. since you've admittedly never been to san francisco and are not aware of those laws, why not leave the op alone. op came here for help, not what you're dishing out.

I agree. I think the OP had valid reasons for being unhappy. Who wants a stranger in their home? The landlord should have complied with the law.
 
I never said the landlord shouldn't comply with the/all laws. It is probable, even likely, that he never mailed, six or more days in advance, any notice that he or an agent of his choice - i.e. the painter in this case - would be entering the rental units. It is obvious he did not provide written notice to the tenants 'live' at least 24 hours in advance. Either action would have put him in compliance.

My issues are with presumptions and characterization presented in the thread title or the original post: "stranger", "my" keys, "my" house, gold-digger; and, frankly, being 'entertained' to the point of laughter over her landlord's misuse of terminology.
 
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My issues are with presumptions and characterization presented in the thread title or the original post: "stranger", "my" keys, "my" house, gold-digger; and, frankly, being 'entertained' to the point of laughter over her landlord's misuse of terminology.

I agree.
There are many presumptions and characterization presented in the thread title and/or the original post.


As for painters and repair persons showing with keys to apartments to make repairs without the landlord being present that is pretty common almost standard in most cases.

Also it is very likely the painter did NOT have keys to tenet's property "that could copied". Most landlords have master keys that will open several locks in their buildings.
The landlords usually loan a painter or repair man the master key so the workman can access several apartments.

* Please note

Master keys cannot be "copied".

Just my 2 cents.
 
Here is a little info on how a master key works.

"How does a master key work?." 27 August 2001. HowStuffWorks.com. March 2009.Home & Garden Videos

The super of our apartment building is always going into everyone's apartment when something needs to be fixed. There must be a hundred apartments, but he only carries one key around with him. How does he get into all those apartments with the same key?

Although locks come in all shapes and sizes, with many innovative design variations, most locks are based on fairly similar concepts. The most common lock design is the cylinder lock. In this design, the key turns a cylinder, or plug, which turns an attached cam. When the plug is turned one way, the cam pulls in on the bolt and the door can open. When the plug turns the other way, the cam releases the bolt and a spring snaps it into place so the door cannot open.

The key your "super" is using is called a master key. To understand how master keys work, you first have to have a basic idea of how locks and keys work.

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Inside a cylinder lock, there is a sort of puzzle, which only the correct key can solve. The main variation in lock designs is the nature of this puzzle. One of the most common puzzles is the pin-and-tumbler design.

The main components in the pin-and-tumbler design are a series of small pins of varying length. The pins are divided up into pairs. Each pair rests in a shaft running through the central cylinder plug and into the housing around the plug. Springs at the top of the shafts keep the pin pairs in position in the plug.

When no key is inserted, the bottom pin in each pair is completely inside the plug, while the upper pin is halfway in the plug and halfway in the housing. The position of the upper pins keeps the plug from turning -- the pins bind the plug to the housing.


The shafts of a pin-and-tumbler lock contain several springs and tiny pins.



When you insert a key, the series of notches in the key push the pin pairs up to different levels. The incorrect key will push the pins so that most of the top pins are still partly in the plug and partly in the housing. The correct key will push each pin pair up just enough so that the point where the two pins come together lines up perfectly with the space where the cylinder and the housing come together -- this point is called the shear line.


The right combination of pins lines up perfectly with the notches in the key.



Some locks are designed to work with two different keys. The change key will open only that specific lock, while the master key will open that lock and several others in a group. In these locks, a few of the pin pairs are separated by a third pin. This third pin is called a master wafer or spacer.

When three pins are combined in a shaft, there are two ways to position the pins so they open the lock. The change key might raise the pins so that the shear line is just above the top of the master wafer, while the master key might raise the pins so the shear line is at the bottom of the master wafer. In both cases, there is a gap at the shear line and the key is able to turn.

In this lock design, the lowest pin is the same length in each lock in the group, but the master wafer varies in length. This lets the person with the master key access any lock in the group, while someone with a change key can open only his or her own lock.

Link:

http://home.howstuffworks.com/question710.htm
 
Thank you Wonderlanne and Ocean Annie. I refuse to be baited into arguments with people who have ulterior motives. Someone with no ulterior motive would be too apathetic to write such emotional posts.

The landlady isn't backing off to be charitable. I have known her too long to believe that she wouldn't be billing me for that painter's trip out here if she could because the money is the only part of the landlord/tenant relationship she has ever handled. She doesn't want to be bothered with the rest of it.

There is no way that she would have left that painter alone in her home or alone with her grandchild. She knows she is wrong. She knows that I know. She is afraid of what I will tell other tenants, who know that I sometimes take care of things around here that are actually the landlord's responsibility because I know that he has been sick.

I refuse to cower because I know that in today's economy, with unemployment being so high, she is lucky to have someone who pays the rent and doesn't give her a great big hassle about it. I have been honest with the landlord. There are people who get around the high rents in San Francisco by having one or two persons falsify income and then nine people move into a place the landlord is led to believe is being occupied by far fewer.

You can claim that somebody you found in the Yellow Pages is your agent and not a stranger, but he is a stranger until you would trust him with a key to your own home, the one occupied by your family. If you don't have that confidence, he is a stranger.

Rental property is a business. A tenant is a cusomter without which you do not have a business. I have decided to become a volunteer for the local tenants' union because there are landlords too stupid to remember that.
 












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