Land Border Opening?

[damo]

Again though, if our vaccine roll out improves then we should get there by Fall.
We wouldn’t be having the problems we do now if our vaccines were as advanced as the States and other countries. They have variants too but it’s much more under control as more and more of their population is vaccinated. Meanwhile Canada:
Still, I really think by Fall we’ll be travelling more freely.
Fingers and toes crossed lol.

Take a look at Michigan.

 

[mshanson3121]

Take a look at Michigan.

Just googled... ☹

246 infected and 3 dead despite being vaccinated. But that's the reality of vaccines - they're not 100% effective. It's been said from day 1, you may still get Covid even with the vaccine, but it just won't be as severe.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-h...ad-covid-19-michigan-despite-being-vaccinated

 

[TommyJK]

Just googled... ☹

246 infected and 3 dead despite being vaccinated. But that's the reality of vaccines - they're not 100% effective. It's been said from day 1, you may still get Covid even with the vaccine, but it just won't be as severe.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-h...ad-covid-19-michigan-despite-being-vaccinated

Overall Michigan is getting hit pretty hard right now.

They're nearly at 20% fully vaccinated, but over the past week they've had nearly 50,000 positive cases, their positivity rate from testing is over 16% (by comparison in Ontario we around 5-6%).

 

[wdwmom3]

Take a look at Michigan.

I suspect Texas will be next. Did you see the stadium where the Jays played

 

[HappilyEverAfter80]

Take a look at Michigan.

The latest still shows that high level of vaccinations is key to stand up to the variants, and vaccination levels vary state by state at this point.
Everyone is looking to Israel where they have a really high % vaccinated and it seems to be working in controlling the variants.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/ca.fina...-will-soon-defeat-the-variants-132844520.html
Also - majority of case increases in Michigan is found in younger unvaccinated people

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/04/us/michigan-rising-covid-cases/index.html
Of course other things that are more negative and scary will make the news first.
Either way we are in a race against those variants and vaccinations and I say we should stay hopeful and positive instead of saying that we are basically doomed.
Not you specifically, just overall.

 

[damo]

The latest still shows that high level of vaccinations is key to stand up to the variants, and vaccination levels vary state by state at this point.
Everyone is looking to Israel where they have a really high % vaccinated and it seems to be working in controlling the variants.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/ca.fina...-will-soon-defeat-the-variants-132844520.html
Also - majority of case increases in Michigan is found in younger unvaccinated people

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/04/us/michigan-rising-covid-cases/index.html
Of course other things that are more negative and scary will make the news first.
Either way we are in a race against those variants and vaccinations and I say we should stay hopeful and positive instead of saying that we are basically doomed.
Not you specifically, just overall.

It was just your comment that the US has it "much more under control" that sparked me to point out that not all of the US does and we still need to be vigilant.

 

[HappilyEverAfter80]

It was just your comment that the US has it "much more under control" that sparked me to point out that not all of the US does.

Of course not all of it, overall they do though, more than Canada. In terms of % vaccinated.

 

[damo]

Of course not all of it, overall they do though, more than Canada. In terms of % vaccinated.

But you were talking about the variants. Those variants are still a major issue.

 

[HappilyEverAfter80]

But you were talking about the variants. Those variants are still a major issue.

It’s is currently believed that the vaccination levels have a direct impact on controlling the variants. Let’s hope...

 

[TammyLynn33]

Is anyone else concerned that our policy of extending intervals between dosing will affect the birder opening . Every American I’ve spoken with thinks it’s absolutely crazy ours are so far spread out ..
I know once we have both shots we are “fully vaccinated “ but I wonder if this won’t be an issue ?

 

[wdwmom3]

Is anyone else concerned that our policy of extending intervals between dosing will affect the birder opening . Every American I’ve spoken with thinks it’s absolutely crazy ours are so far spread out ..
I know once we have both shots we are “fully vaccinated “ but I wonder if this won’t be an issue ?

I don’t think so. There are more and more studies showing that we have protection for that long. And I know Americans think it’s crazy but they aren’t dealing with vaccine shortages. The UK has also been delaying second doses.

I actually remember reading something from the CDC saying although a delay isn’t recommended they think it’s ok. Let me see if I can find it.

 

[wdwmom3]

Is anyone else concerned that our policy of extending intervals between dosing will affect the birder opening . Every American I’ve spoken with thinks it’s absolutely crazy ours are so far spread out ..
I know once we have both shots we are “fully vaccinated “ but I wonder if this won’t be an issue ?

This is from the cdc



If it is not feasible to adhere to the recommended interval, you may schedule the second dose up to 6 weeks (42 days) after the first dose; there is limited efficacy data beyond this window, but a dose after this time does not need to be repeated.


https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/index.html

 

[ilovetotravel1977]

6 weeks? That would be awesome! I wonder what the CDC thinks about 4 months!

 

[wdwmom3]

6 weeks? That would be awesome! I wonder what the CDC thinks about 4 months!

Well they say you don’t need to repeat the dose. So I think they will accept our vaccines.

I’ve also read today that do expect the time between to be less then 16 weeks since we are getting more vaccines sooner.

 

[hdrolfe]

6 weeks? That would be awesome! I wonder what the CDC thinks about 4 months!

Everything I've read says they are watching to see what the impact of waiting 4 months is, so I guess we are some kind of guinea pigs in this? I do remember reading that the AZ second dose was to be 2 to 16 weeks based on their documents so no worries there, it's only the Moderna and Pfizer I guess... Since AZ isn't approved in the US yet, but is in many places, I assume they won't have an issue with that.

 

[NewYKRunner]

Everything I've read says they are watching to see what the impact of waiting 4 months is, so I guess we are some kind of guinea pigs in this?

I highly expect booster shots for a couple years anyway and I think any dose right now is a huge help to both individuals and society as a whole. Being a guinea pig isn't fun, but there just hasn't been enough time to get much data at this point.

 

[Muskrat191]

There was an article in Nature where the authors argued that dose-sparing strategies (like Canada is doing) has a net positive effect at the population-level. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-021-00544-9

 

[Minniemoo15]

The last couple of paragraphs in this article was interesting ... previously our premier (Higgs) said it would be many months before the US border reopened and thaf he wouldn’t be surprised if the border was still closed well into the fall. Now he is indicating Trudeau mentioned it could reopen sooner if the US sends us extra doses? An interesting read either way. At this point I just hope interprovincial travel is restored this summer so my sisters from AB can come home. But it gives me a teensy bit more hope for our March trip.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/border-leblanc-higgs-plan-uncertainty-1.5980670

 

[mshanson3121]

The last couple of paragraphs in this article was interesting ... previously our premier (Higgs) said it would be many months before the US border reopened and thaf he wouldn’t be surprised if the border was still closed well into the fall. Now he is indicating Trudeau mentioned it could reopen sooner if the US sends us extra doses? An interesting read either way. At this point I just hope interprovincial travel is restored this summer so my sisters from AB can come home. But it gives me a teensy bit more hope for our March trip.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/border-leblanc-higgs-plan-uncertainty-1.5980670

I was just coming to share this. We're "bargaining" now - send us more doses we'll open up.

In this article, Higgs speaks as though it may not initially be the entire international border that opens, but certain parts of it. He said they (NB) already anticipate being able to open to the rest of the country by end of June, and doesn't see why that can't include Maine.

 

[Jrb1979]

All this talk about the border opening, Trudeau also talked about having a vaccine passport for international travel. That should help us with not having to quarantine if you want to travel.