Killer's quest: Allow organ donation after execution

[LuvOrlando]

Don't you think they would test for these prior to transplanting in organ

if testing was 100% certain high risk subsets would not be prohibited from participation in donation programs such as people with tattoos (blood) ect. and HIV is rampant in prison populations. There is a window in which disease volume is too low to be detected and the tests themselves can fail. a great deal of the donation process is honor system based on trust, I don't think this guy deserves it IMHO

I am all for saving lives but not at the risk of taking them so to me this makes sense

 

[Hannathy]

if testing was 100% certain high risk subsets would not be prohibited from participation in donation programs such as people with tattoos (blood) ect. and HIV is rampant in prison populations. There is a window in which disease volume is too low to be detected and the tests themselves can fail. a great deal of the donation process is honor system based on trust, I don't think this guy deserves it IMHO

I am all for saving lives but not at the risk of taking them so to me this makes sense

With the advances they have made in the treatment of HIV and how long many people with it are living I would gladly take my chances on contracting it if I needed a new heart and could get one even with the risk of HIV. If you need a new heart and don't get one you are dead, if you get one with HIV you may live many, many years with treatment and that is way better than the other option without it-dead.

 

[LuvOrlando]

To each their own but I don't know that the powers that be are ok with that. Do you realize the significant risk of rejection and infection in even the best of circumstances and the drugs involved? If you add HIV to the mix I do not think longevity can be assumed to be anywhere close to that of the general population who suffers an infection. in fact I'd bet the kidneys and liver wouldn't even be able to handle all the drugs for both diseases.

 

[FredinFL]

I seriously think I'm going to throw up.

"Harvesting prisoner's organs"? Oh my God...you really aren't supporting someone having their organs removed while they are alive? Taking them until they die from not having inner organs? Is this with or without the consent of the human being being served up?

Please tell me I just didn't read enough of this thread.

 

[Imzadi]

Am I the only one who thinks clubbing them on the head would be a good solution?

(assuming DNA evidence, blah, blah, blah.)

I totally agree with you. Plus I think they should chop up his body - then feed to vultures, while the families of the loved ones watch.

People who are sentenced to be executed are there for a reason. It is a punishment. The chance and CHOICE to save lives there before he committed his first heinous act. He doesn't get a chance to make up for it. It sets a bad precedent for death row inmates to be able to make up for their heinous crimes AFTER the fact. Then they could feel they could do whatever horrible crimes they want and make it up after the fact. And after they are dead, when they won't feel it. The chance to do right was before their crimes.

Also, why should THIS particular prisoner's organs be allowed to live on in someone else? He had a chance to live on with his own children and he threw it away. Literally threw them away. Again, he doesn't get a chance for immortality by saving other people when he considered his own children to be so worthless.

As other people have said, I don't think organs can be saved and used after injection. I think this is his fancy way of blowing hot air.

 

[PaulaSB12]

I totally agree with you. Plus I think they should chop up his body - then feed to vultures, while the families of the loved ones watch.

And by doing that you reduce yourself to the level of the condemed, plus you will be inflicting huge amount of pain on his family. Or do you like so many think the family as a whole should be punished for the crime of the individual.

 

[teskak]

He is just following the lead of China.... do the reading...

But since transplant recipients have to take immuno suppressing medications for life to stop the body rejecting the organ, and HIV attacks the immune system, I suggest any HIV treatment would cause the body to reject the organ - so transplanting HIV organs to somebody who does not already have it would not work.

 

[Imzadi]

And by doing that you reduce yourself to the level of the condemed, plus you will be inflicting huge amount of pain on his family. Or do you like so many think the family as a whole should be punished for the crime of the individual.

Perhaps you do not know how an execution works here in the U.S. but, as in this TV show scene of an execution below, as seen from the inmate's angle, (that white curved shape in the lower right front of the picture, is the inmate's shoulder,) they can clearly see the people who came to witness their execution. They have to face the people they wronged. Many times, the people sitting there are the loved ones of the victims.

I think the people who will sit there and watch his execution, or the same people who will watch other death row inmates' executions, (which are usually the families & loved ones of the victims,) should be the ones to watch them being fed to vultures. I have no problem with the death penalty. You can't passive aggressively guilt trip me, or pass judgment with the phrase, "You reduce yourself to the level of the condemned." I did not do the heinous crime the individual in the article did, or anything on that level. That's a truly ridiculous cliche statement to make as a comparison level. Did you even hear what you said?

It's unfortunate in his case that it is his extended family he hurt. His murdered wife's family may be the ones sitting there. HE made the choice to hurt them long ago. HE hurt them, not me. They will feel whatever they feel WHEN he IS executed. They can choice to watch his execution, whether by lethal injection or clubbing, chopping up his body and being fed to the vultures, or not.

 

[PaulaSB12]

Perhaps you do not know how an execution works here in the U.S. but, as in this TV show scene of an execution below, as seen from the inmate's angle, (that white curved shape in the lower right front of the picture, is the inmate's shoulder,) they can clearly see the people who came to witness their execution. They have to face the people they wronged. Many times, the people sitting there are the loved ones of the victims.

I think the people who will sit there and watch his execution, or the same people who will watch other death row inmates' executions, (which are usually the families & loved ones of the victims,) should be the ones to watch them being fed to vultures. I have no problem with the death penalty. You can't passive aggressively guilt trip me, or pass judgment with the phrase, "You reduce yourself to the level of the condemned." I did not do the heinous crime the individual in the article did, or anything on that level. That's a truly ridiculous cliche statement to make as a comparison level. Did you even hear what you said?

It's unfortunate in his case that it is his extended family he hurt. His murdered wife's family may be the ones sitting there. HE made the choice to hurt them long ago. HE hurt them, not me. They will feel whatever they feel WHEN he IS executed. They can choice to watch his execution, whether by lethal injection or clubbing, chopping up his body and being fed to the vultures, or not.

So what about his family does he have siblings? does he have parents? and why is it ok for you to torture someone to death if its not ok for him? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

 

[Hannathy]

So what about his family does he have siblings? does he have parents? and why is it ok for you to torture someone to death if its not ok for him? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Who has said anything about torturing anyone to death?

I have not seen that advocated anywhere on here other than by you.

 

[Imzadi]

So what about his family does he have siblings? does he have parents? and why is it ok for you to torture someone to death if its not ok for him? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

HE should have thought about the choices HE made and how HE would affect them before HE killed his own wife and 3 children.

Done with this debate with you.

 

[Mkrop]

There is another way this inmate could help others and not open this debate...he could donate his body after his execution to science, this way research could be done, others could be trained...there in turn helping future illnesses be cured.

If he is being true and really wanting to help, there are other ways of accomplishing that.

 

[Disney Doll]

I would imagine that whatever method is used to put a prisoner to death, whether it be lethal injection or electrocution...I don't think we hang people anymore...would render the organs useless for transplantation.

I would agree with the PP that donating his body to science so others may use it to learn would be his best choice if he truly wants to try and do something to try and "redeem" himself.

 

[MrsJackSparrow4Life]

Wasn't there a Grey's Anatomy episode about this years ago?

 

[MrsJackSparrow4Life]

http://youtu.be/lpap-QMMZ7Y

 

[dngnb8]

I seriously think I'm going to throw up.

"Harvesting prisoner's organs"? Oh my God...you really aren't supporting someone having their organs removed while they are alive? Taking them until they die from not having inner organs? Is this with or without the consent of the human being being served up?

Please tell me I just didn't read enough of this thread.

Not sure if that was the posters intent, but Harvesting is the correct terminology for acquiring an organ. There are live donors as well. Kidneys are harvested from live donors quite often.

 

[rie'smom]

If there's a way to take his organs after execution, why not? The patients and their families waiting desperately for organs would never know who the donor was.

 

[dngnb8]

I thought I would share some information on this topic.

My wife is an organ recipient. On mothers day last year, she received a kidney and pancreas from a boy who died of head injuries. I can tell you from personal experience that this sort of treatment is highly regulated.

Kidney patients wait lists are about 5 years. We went to the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale.

I attempted to give my wife a kidney. Hell, I gave her my heart 22 years ago, whats a kidney, right? To qualify, I went through a battery of tests in February of last year. Took about 35 hours. I had med tests, mental tests, blood tests, ekgs, urinary output, and more I dont even remember. Ironically, I was even tested for cancer and came up clean, only to get cancer 3 months later. Imagine if I had donated a kidney.... I might have killed my wife.

I was denied because I have kidney stones in my R kidney. I was diagnosed with Squamous Cell Carcinoma literally 3 days after she received her organs. It was a challenging year for my household.

Organ transplantation requires incredibly healthy tissue. This isnt what you find in prisons. Diets, Drugs, other health issues will eliminate most of, if not all the pop in a prison.

While my wife is no longer insulin dependent (Type 1 diabetic from age 12) she is anti-rejection dependent now. Our Script bills (with coverage mind you) are $500 a month. She cannot eat at buffets, must always use straws in restaurants, among other things to avoid because of a depressed immune system.

Because of the immunosuppressants, tissue MUST be 100% healthy. There is no wiggle room here. Its an absolute.

The idea is nice, but it isnt applicable under our current medical techniques