Kerry and Bush supporters. A question for y'all.

[Saffron]

Originally posted by bsnyder
Cleland has become the ultimate Democrat--a professional victim, defined entirely by his triple-amputee status, who will do anything for the party hacks.

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[Lebjwb]

Originally posted by Alice28
bsnyder- that blog you quoted was right on in my opinion. Thank you for posting it. I am trying to step back from the political threads here on the DIS because I just figure there's not much I can do here; people have so clearly made up their minds that write on these threads. I am talking to my neighbors, my friends, my family about why I think Bush is the better candidate and I have led some people to truly start thinking. I think that some of my neighbors who normally are not that interested in politics are listening to me, as I think they have been a little jolted into reality seeing my husband leave to go to Iraq with the Nat'l Guard.

And I thank you too Alice. You have motivated me to send out yet another hefty check to the Democrats....

 

[TXTink]

Add another zero to your check Lebjwb, I really liked Alice28's post!

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by wvrevy
(Better Max than that pitiful excuse for a human being that showed a commercial morphing Cleeland's face into bin Ladins during their smear campaign against him. KKKarl Rove is a waste of air.)

Criticize the Cleland ad all you want. It was an attempt to portray Cleland as weak on defense. And it used images of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Ladin to tug at the post 9/11 emotions of voters. But there was no morph.
I'm curious, did you actually see this ad or are you relying on others for this morphing you are referring to?

Richard

 

[BedKnobbery2]

Originally posted by bsnyder

Cleland has become the ultimate Democrat--a professional victim, defined entirely by his triple-amputee status, who will do anything for the party hacks.

This is, without doubt, the most disgusting and vile thing I have ever read on the DIS.

Just because YOU choose to pity him and YOU choose to define him by his triple-amputee status does NOT mean that is how HE defines himself. I've never heard Cleland--EVER--ask for pity. To assume and assert that that is the sole reason he was elected, and decided that he wanted to serve his country in the sentate, is completely and utterly asinine, cruel, and ridiculous.

I have never, in my lifetime on the DIS, chosen to put someone on ignore. I'm finally taking advantage of that option.

There is a man behind those amputations--a man with convictions, ideas, and thoughts. Just because you disagree with those, you've chosen to believe he is nothing more than the body he inhabits. He didn't choose to become an amputee. Just because it is something you can't miss about him doesn't mean he's capitalizing on it.

Ugh....I am nearly speechless at this characterization. God, how evil. Ugh.

 

[peachgirl]

This is, without doubt, the most disgusting and vile thing I have ever read on the DIS......Ugh....I am nearly speechless at this characterization. God, how evil. Ugh.

You're absolutely right. I saw those comments and was so taken aback that I really couldn't think of what to say or how to say it in such a way that it could actually be posted here.

Thanks for saying what I didn't.

There seems to be no limit as to how low bsnyder will sink in order to try and make a point. I'm a staunch supporter of Kerry, but if I have to tear apart people who have given as close to the ultimate sacrifice for their country as Cleland has in order to support my reasons why he should be President, I'd rather let George Bush win.

If your point bsnyder, is to be as insulting and disgusting as possible in order to run off those who disagree with you....you succeeded, at least as far as I'm concerned. Enjoy talking to yourself....

 

[Saffron]

I don't know what to say, but I feel I have to stand up for Bet. I don't stand by anything she posted about Cleland, I was just as shocked and appalled as others were, I couldn't even post my feelings, I had to erase them twice. But I've known Bet for awhile now, and I don't recall her ever saying anything about anyone's disablilites/handicap/disfigurement whatever you want to say, before. We've been through some great times, some rough times, some fun times and some sad times together. I'm guessing maybe this particular thread just pushed her over the edge. I know it's not an excuse, but I know we all lose it sometimes. I know I did, on her, just a few days ago over this particular thread. Bet is kind, giving, fun loving, funny and forgiving. I'm just thinking something happened, because that post is not the Bet I know.

 

[peachgirl]

I'm just thinking something happened, because that post is not the Bet I know.

It's very nice of you to stand up for a friend. If you're right, then an apology will be forthcoming. If you're not, it won't.

I don't know her at all except by her posts and I'll withold any more comments on that post until I see what she has to say.

 

[Lebjwb]

Originally posted by TXTink
Add another zero to your check Lebjwb, I really liked Alice28's post!

No problem...consider it done...and an extra letter to the editor to boot. I'll make sure to include your reply as I'm writing about this forum. I'm sure it will motivate others to send $$$ to Kerry as well. Any other smart comments would be appreciated as I enjoy writing long letters to the editor about the pit Bu$h has left us in.

Please keep up the shots at Max Cleland too. Words can barely describe my disgust. Have you no shame, no sense of decency?

 

[bsnyder]

Looks like I have outraged some folks.

First of all, Maggie, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the kind words in your post. I do strive to be the kind of person that you described me as. And I like to think that by and large, I am that person.

I have nothing but respect for Max Clelland's military service to his country. I come from a family heritage that has a reverence for public service that almost borders on the ridiculous at times. And that believes military service to one's country is one of the finest expressions of public service. Max Clelland is a hero for having answered the call to duty that his country gave him.

However, that does not give him a lifetime of immunity from criticism for his actions. Everyone is accountable for the choices they make.

Max Clelland chose to participate in John Kerry's publicity stunt, one that, IMO, made him look like a fool and makes Kerry look like a weakling.

I am sorry if that offends anyone, because it's my nature to avoid doing that, and to feel uncomfortable when I have done so.

 

[Lebjwb]

Originally posted by bsnyder
Looks like I have outraged some folks.

First of all, Maggie, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the kind words in your post. I do strive to be the kind of person that you described me as. And I like to think that by and large, I am that person.

I have nothing but respect for Max Clelland's military service to his country. I come from a family heritage that has a reverence for public service that almost borders on the ridiculous at times. And that believes military service to one's country is one of the finest expressions of public service. Max Clelland is a hero for having answered the call to duty that his country gave him.

However, that does not give him a lifetime of immunity from criticism for his actions. Everyone is accountable for the choices they make.

Max Clelland chose to participate in John Kerry's publicity stunt, one that, IMO, made him look like a fool and makes Kerry look like a weakling.

I am sorry if that offends anyone, because it's my nature to avoid doing that, and to feel uncomfortable when I have done so.

"Cleland has become the ultimate Democrat--a professional victim, defined entirely by his triple-amputee status, who will do anything for the party hacks. "

You just don't get it.....awful, simply awful.

 

[Saffron]

I don't know what to say anymore.

It's time for me to leave this thread though. I know that will make the night brighter for some of you.

 

[peachgirl]

"Cleland has become the ultimate Democrat--a professional victim, defined entirely by his triple-amputee status, who will do anything for the party hacks. "

That's what you said, you think it's fine that you said it. That's all I need to know.

I'm quite sure you can come up with some really vile things to say about me, frankly I couldn't care less, I won't be seeing them.

 

[goofygirl]

Staying on the original topic: I wouldn't elect Dubya Bush for Dogcatcher. That's how I am voting (against Bush) , no matter what the ads say.


A Democrat's alphabet:

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVXYZ

No W!

 

[Elwood Blues]

GG. Is that website (cats2adopt) still active? I can't find it. Thanks.

 

[bsnyder]

I'll make one more post about this controversy and then I'm done with it.

I have never attacked Cleland's record as a war hero. I have never denigrated his service or devotion to his country, as expressed by his military record. And I never asserted that the sole reason he was elected was because of his horrific war wounds.

John Kerry used him in a disgraceful fashion this week. As a prop. Disgusting!

 

[Bobbles]

Originally posted by bsnyder
Looks like I have outraged some folks.

First of all, Maggie, I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for the kind words in your post. I do strive to be the kind of person that you described me as. And I like to think that by and large, I am that person.

I have nothing but respect for Max Clelland's military service to his country. I come from a family heritage that has a reverence for public service that almost borders on the ridiculous at times. And that believes military service to one's country is one of the finest expressions of public service. Max Clelland is a hero for having answered the call to duty that his country gave him.

However, that does not give him a lifetime of immunity from criticism for his actions. Everyone is accountable for the choices they make.

Max Clelland chose to participate in John Kerry's publicity stunt, one that, IMO, made him look like a fool and makes Kerry look like a weakling.

I am sorry if that offends anyone, because it's my nature to avoid doing that, and to feel uncomfortable when I have done so.

"I am sorry if that offends anyone, because it's my nature to avoid doing that, and to feel uncomfortable when I have done so.", absolutely boggles my mind! I fail to see how your making remarks that DO offend are not made with the INTENT to offend.

That Clelland remark , in MY opinion, is shallow and silly.

I also come from a family with a military heritage including my own service.

 

[AirForceRocks]

I'm more shocked at the idea put forth by some on this thread that bsnyder doesn't have the right to express her opinions of Max Cleland's actions than by her comments.

I guess we've come to the point where unless a person has actually served in the military, they have no right to criticize the actions of anyone that has.

BTW, it is possible to honor a person's military service without honoring the way they've behaved since they came home. That's what I saw in bsnyder's comment about Cleland, and it's the same way I feel about Senator Kerry.

 

[Abracadabra]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
BTW, it is possible to honor a person's military service without honoring the way they've behaved since they came home. That's what I saw in bsnyder's comment about Cleland, and it's the same way I feel about Senator Kerry.

I completely agree with this. It is possible to honor the person but not the behavior. It is saddening to see the reputations and service of so many honorable veterans, including Sen. Kerry, Mr. Cleland, the Swift Boat Vets, the president and others, being dragged through the muck in an attempt to score political points or swing some votes one way or the other.

Every veteran, whether they served in combat or during peacetime, should be honored and respected for their service and sacrifice. They should not be used by political campaigns for publicity stunts or as shills & props for the campaign. Such activities are disrespectful and dishonorable, not only to those being used in that way, but to all those who served and who currently serve in the U.S. armed forces.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by BedKnobbery2
I just have to ask again, are those of you who contend that Kerry was awarded his medals erroneously and also contend that he was a war criminal, currently writing to your senators, the heads of the military, newspapers, etc regarding military reform? I would think this would be an overwhelmingly important issue if you believe either of the allegations......yet I haven't seen it addressed.

Hell no, they're not writing letters or demanding inquiries. They're calling in to Rush (the candy man) Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or Michael Medved or Michael Savage. At least O'Reilly has the savvy to stay away from the issue.

Chris Matthews spoke about this with John O'Neill weeks ago when the "Swift Boat Veterans for Half/UnTruth" story first started to come out. He wanted to know why the Swift Boat Veterans weren't taking the issue up with Navy as they were the ones who issued the medals. No answer from John (I owe everything to the Republicans) O'Neill. Whatta surprise.

Here's the best part......it looks like this whole controversy has not only neutralized Bush's initial gain of support, it just may bite him in the ***.

I wonder how all the rightwing talking heads are going to spin Bush's appeal before the F.E.C. I wonder if they're going to characterize that as suppressing free speech as they've been saying about Kerry's suit. I wonder how many of the Bush orgasmatrons on this board are going to take Bush to task for the same free speech reasons as they have Kerry.

Then again, what's to wonder about.

And, yes, I did survive Hurrican Charley. He wasn't the first blow hard I've confronted.