Keeping Ukraine in our thoughts and prayers here

[Pea-n-Me]

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I know this is probably a typo, but his last name is Kutcher, not Kushner.

My apologies? I checked the spelling of Mila’s last name before I posted, but I thought I knew what Ashton’s was.

I doubt anyone was confused about who I was talking about, though, and the point was, anyway, that they had done a nice thing for the people of Ukraine.

It seems a really odd thing for you to bring up two pages and forty posts later on a thread like this; at a time like this.

Between the Kanye thread and this one, there's some really dark juju on these boards lately.

Another really odd reference. Seems you’re just here to kvetch.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Interesting article about Ukrainian people trying to convince their relatives in Russia about the realities of what is going on.

https://www.boston.com/news/world-n...ot-believe-it-is-a-war/?p1=recirc_mostpopular

Website: papapover.com = “Dad, believe”

https://papapover.com/en/

(Russian/English translation icon top left)

 

[SirDuff]

NATO to Putin:

Just trying to lighten the mood folks. We all just need to relax. I have faith in the West to do all that needs to be done. Also many countries are having elections this year, so it will be interesting to see how that plays out. ❤

Yeah, I really have to say that with over 1.5 million refuges in less than two weeks; civilians trapped in cities without access to water or electricity; hundreds/thousands of death; a narrowly missed nuclear disaster (to name a just a few), it is childish and naive to suggest that "we all just need to relax". And, while I believe that the West (well, actually, I find it bothersome to say "the West" given that many of the countries currently given direct aid are not part of "the West") will try to the "all that needs to be done", I don't think that anyone knows what that is (or, at least, cannot agree on it) or how any given action will actually play out. To quote Karin "war is complicated".

 

[mrs. magoo]

Is there something like a national collection in the US or Canada? In the Netherlands the national donation charity is at 16 million euro at the moment.
Or the UK, I did see the Daily Mail's collection is almost at 3 million GBP.

My county which has a population of 770,000 has a very large population of Ukrainians (40,000). My town has 2 Ukraine churches which are both thriving. The churches who have direct family/links in the Ukraine have set up donation sites for items needed by the shelters and the county has collected way more than they anticipated. People are now donating for shipping costs. The problem with any donation is that people wonder is the money really going to help people or is it going to administration? I research who I give my money to since I want it to do the most good for people it is supposed to help.

 

[Sinder]

Russian oil imports to the US is pretty insignificant.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIM_NUS-NRS_1&f=M
No idea why this is getting so much drama on social media. It's not a huge amount.

If its such an insignificant amount than it shouldn’t matter if we stop then.
Besides I think the point is to stop funding Russia in any way. If we aren’t going to send our troops then we should do everything else we can to help, however “insignificant” some may think it is.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Yeah, I really have to say that with over 1.5 million refuges in less than two weeks; civilians trapped in cities without access to water or electricity; hundreds/thousands of death; a narrowly missed nuclear disaster (to name a just a few), it is childish and naive to suggest that "we all just need to relax". And, while I believe that the West (well, actually, I find it bothersome to say "the West" given that many of the countries currently given direct aid are not part of "the West") will try to the "all that needs to be done", I don't think that anyone knows what that is (or, at least, cannot agree on it) or how any given action will actually play out. To quote Karin "war is complicated".

I said relax in meaning our governments are going to do what they will do and there’s not much anyone can do to change their responses. It wasn’t meant as a sarcastic joke. I look at it this way, we can as citizens (not politicians) only do as much as we can. We have to have faith in our respective governments to do what’s best for our people as well as Ukraine. NATO is stuck in a pickle and no one has clear answers to solve the problem without WW3.

 

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[mom2rtk]

If its such an insignificant amount than it shouldn’t matter if we stop then.
Besides I think the point is to stop funding Russia in any way. If we aren’t going to send our troops then we should do everything else we can to help, however “insignificant” some may think it is.

Exactly. If it's so insignificant, then why haven't we done it already?

 

[dvcgirl67]

Exactly. If it's so insignificant, then why haven't we done it already?

Just talk of this possibly happening is why oil prices are surging today....with gas prices following. Removing 3-4 million barrels a day from global supply is enough to cause this to happen....because we have an oil supply crunch. That's why we haven't cut off imports from Russia here yet. I'm not saying it's right or wrong....it's a very difficult decision for countries to make right now.

 

[mom2rtk]

Just talk of this possibly happening is why oil prices are surging today....with gas prices following. Removing 3-4 million barrels a day from global supply is enough to cause this to happen....because we have an oil supply crunch. That's why we haven't cut off imports from Russia here yet. I'm not saying it's right or wrong....it's a very difficult decision for countries to make right now.

But why would prices be surging if it's so insignificant?

Regardless, the price of gas is killing us right now. It's killing my college age daughter who is 2 hours away. We're having to make decisions about things we do and whether we visit because of the price of gas. But I'm willing to take the hit to cut off Russia.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Just talk of this possibly happening is why oil prices are surging today....with gas prices following. Removing 3-4 million barrels a day from global supply is enough to cause this to happen....because we have an oil supply crunch. That's why we haven't cut off imports from Russia here yet. I'm not saying it's right or wrong....it's a very difficult decision for countries to make right now.

This is the news story for our metro today

A 23 cent increase week over week (and we just had the week or so prior a 34 cent increase week over week) on the average in the metro

"The increase puts the average metro gallon of gas at $3.68, which is $1.17 higher than the same date last year. Nationally, gas is averaging $4.06 a gallon, 46 cents higher than a week ago. Gas prices across the U.S. haven’t been this high since 2008, and we could see $4.50 a gallon nationally very soon, according to Gas Buddy, an organization that is constantly monitoring and cataloguing gasoline costs across the country. A major driver of what has happened and what is yet to come is the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Russia is a major oil exporter, and heavy sanctions are limiting imports into the United States, affecting fuel costs."

 

[snappy]

Kudos to and prayers for the volunteers from around the world headed into Ukraine. Reminds me of the fire fighters who ran up the stairs in the twin towers to rescue people. Hopefully world leaders take note.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Kudos to and prayers for the volunteers from around the world headed into Ukraine. Reminds me of the fire fighters who ran up the stairs in the twin towers to rescue people. Hopefully world leaders take note.

Well said!

 

[JimMIA]

On oil prices, the rise is nothing new and started long before the Ukraine invasion. Oil prices, like many commodities and many other sectors of the economy, have been rising for two years, as shown by the chart below. That rise is the product of many influencing factors (both macroeconomic and geopolitical) including the world coming out from under the rock of Covid, change of governmental priorities in the US, and many, many other variables.



"Ban Russian Oil Imports" is also an easy Instagram pose for politicians worldwide. It's an obviously "evil" thing that we simply need to do away with -- if you're a politician looking for a media moment. And in the US, prominent politicians of both parties have been advocating a ban. That's easy to do when you have no real power to do it, and will bear no responsibility for the result.

It seems to me that banning Russian oil imports might help put more pressure on Russia, but nothing like the restrictions on their big banks will cause. It would also have negative effects on Europe, and those would be very difficult to mitigate.

And finally, you don't play all your cards in the first hand. Some options need to be held back, and some are much more beneficial as a threat than they would be in real life if exercised.

 

[JimMIA]

Or share the intelligence the US has. According to Reuters, the US has detailed knowledge of the battlefield and knew the invasion was going to happen. Due to their involvement in Ukraine the last few years they know a lot about what is going on. The information can help at least to minimize the damage.

The US is not sharing because not wanting to get involved and giving Putin a reason to really start ww3 (which is actually already happening).

The US, and other NATO countries (especially the UK) HAVE been sharing intelligence information with Ukraine to a huge degree throughout this crisis.

In fact, both the US and UK have made sensitive intelligence information PUBLIC to a degree never done before, and those actions have been effective in exposing Russia's lies about what they were planning.

 

[RamblingMad]

On oil prices, the rise is nothing new and started long before the Ukraine invasion. Oil prices, like many commodities and many other sectors of the economy, have been rising for two years, as shown by the chart below. That rise is the product of many influencing factors (both macroeconomic and geopolitical) including the world coming out from under the rock of Covid, change of governmental priorities in the US, and many, many other variables.

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"Ban Russian Oil Imports" is also an easy Instagram pose for politicians worldwide. It's an obviously "evil" thing that we simply need to do away with -- if you're a politician looking for a media moment. And in the US, prominent politicians of both parties have been advocating a ban. That's easy to do when you have no real power to do it, and will bear no responsibility for the result.

It seems to me that banning Russian oil imports might help put more pressure on Russia, but nothing like the restrictions on their big banks will cause. It would also have negative effects on Europe, and those would be very difficult to mitigate.

And finally, you don't play all your cards in the first hand. Some options need to be held back, and some are much more beneficial as a threat than they would be in real life if exercised.

Europe would have to ban it for to have a significant impact since they're the primary importers.

 

[HeatherC]

Europe would have to ban it for to have a significant impact since they're the primary importers.

It should still have some sort of an impact. According to Reuters, we imported 20.4 million barrels of oil and petroleum products each month from Russia.

 

[prairie_girl]

My apologies? I checked the spelling of Mila’s last name before I posted, but I thought I knew what Ashton’s was.

I doubt anyone was confused about who I was talking about, though, and the point was, anyway, that they had done a nice thing for the people of Ukraine.

It seems a really odd thing for you to bring up two pages and forty posts later on a thread like this; at a time like this.


Another really odd reference. Seems you’re just here to kvetch.

You’re right, I probably should have let the last name comment go.

I’m not here complaining, just making an observation. The last thing I’d want to do is take this thread off track.

That video ^^ of the little girl singing made me tear up. It’s impossible to realize the impact this will all have on children.

 

[Nora03]

This whole thing is heartbreaking. I’m having an anxious day today and feel like I need to stop watching and reading about it. However then I think of the Ukrainian people who are suffering and they can’t just stop watching and reading. They are being bombed and killed, and fleeing for their lives.