Just paid $30 for Genie+

[evilmommie]

How can you say they are "boldy testing the ceiling"? Hardly and that is the problem. They aren't anywhere close to the ceiling. It is so cheap and so many people buy it that it is worthless.

Send Disney a suggestion with your $275 proposal.

 

[Mr. Mike]

How can you say they are "boldy testing the ceiling"? Hardly and that is the problem. They aren't anywhere close to the ceiling. It is so cheap and so many people buy it that it is worthless.

Yep. I think it needs to be at least $50.

 

[MillauFr]

Send Disney a suggestion with your $275 proposal.

At least at that price the product would have some value as it would reduce demand for the product. Still I'm guessing people would be shocked how many would buy it. Just look at how many people are buying VIP experiences at the parks at $5,000 a day.

 

[Curiousporpoise]

I have been going to the parks for years, and loved fast pass and max pass. I cannot understand why Genie+ is such a mess. I went to the parks in August 2021 and there were no annual passes, and no fast/max passes, and it was the lowest crowds and lines I had seen in forever. I almost passed on going because I did not want to wait in lines forever with young ones. It was seriously the best!

Now the rides go down all the time, lines are long, crowds are horrendous, people are stressed. I don’t understand why genie+ is so bad…..how did they screw this up??!

 

[ktlm]

But isn't that the problem? They seem unwilling to increase the price enough so that it is a useful product.

Fast Pass was a very useful product and it was free for everyone. Something is very wrong with the current system.

 

[evilmommie]

At least at that price the product would have some value as it would reduce demand for the product. Still I'm guessing people would be shocked how many would buy it. Just look at how many people are buying VIP experiences at the parks at $5,000 a day.

Right? I’m in agreement with you and my comment was serious. The last Disney survey I took was this week after our staycation and I made similar recommendations.

 

[flav]

My next trip is a splurge when the cheapest resort is 200$+ a night. We stretched and took 5 days of tickets but no Park Hopper for the first time. We will not purchase Genie+ and we hope that Disney makes it expensive enough for the Standby lines to become manageable and not bottlenecked with LL users.

 

[Aurora0427]

Right? I’m in agreement with you and my comment was serious. The last Disney survey I took was this week after our staycation and I made similar recommendations.

Or they could just go back to the way it used to be…. You know, when it was free or max pass was $15-$20. And then lines weren’t insane. Go back to THAT format.

 

[wendlle]

so glad I am mainly focusing on parades and entertainment, food and shopping for my upcoming trip - I am coming for 5 days and am not purchasing genie+ for any of the days.
I am from Australia - haven't been since 2019 and it kills me that I may not be able to go on many rides but I refuse to pay $80+ a day for the 4 of us to go on rides on top of what we already paid to get in.
I'm glad for now a lot of other options are included in a Disney parks visit that doesn't include rides.

 

[Epicnemesis]

It should be 80, minimum. It should be enough to actually filter out people and make it convenient for people who actually buy it. You shouldn’t have to wait more than 30 minutes for a return time.

 

[MillauFr]

I have been going to the parks for years, and loved fast pass and max pass. I cannot understand why Genie+ is such a mess. I went to the parks in August 2021 and there were no annual passes, and no fast/max passes, and it was the lowest crowds and lines I had seen in forever. I almost passed on going because I did not want to wait in lines forever with young ones. It was seriously the best!

Now the rides go down all the time, lines are long, crowds are horrendous, people are stressed. I don’t understand why genie+ is so bad…..how did they screw this up??!

They screwed it up by not raising prices high enough to prevent massive crowds.

 

[dieumeye]

How high can it go?

How long until it becomes a $100 thing like other parks? I wonder if they actually undervalued it at launch, as in, did they really not expect that many people to buy it? Or are they just cranking up the price to see how high they can possibly get away with?

 

[serendipityaey]

How long until it becomes a $100 thing like other parks? I wonder if they actually undervalued it at launch, as in, did they really not expect that many people to buy it? Or are they just cranking up the price to see how high they can possibly get away with?

But how can they undervalue it when FastPass was free? How could this be worse than free? I’m sort of mind-boggled that people are saying more people are using Genie+ than Fastpass?

 

[Genie+]

How long until it becomes a $100 thing like other parks? I wonder if they actually undervalued it at launch, as in, did they really not expect that many people to buy it? Or are they just cranking up the price to see how high they can possibly get away with?

Hard to say what their thinking was. Maybe they tried to avoid backlash from introducing at a price much higher for what used to be ‘free’. Plus they love starting new things at a low cost, wait for the good reviews at perceived value, then crank up the price while people read now outdated great reviews. But there was cost backlash anyway, and it appeared broken anyway.

Maybe they also thought even at the low low price of $15 plenty of people would figure they didn’t need it if they toured smartly during early and late park hours. But that didn’t happen either.

People grumbled, people raged, but people still did the math that the extra $15 was necessary to not be left in the dust and waste the crazy money they already invested toward those trips. $15 Genie+ worked out to $300 for a family of 4 to use 5 days out of their $5-$10k trip. A mere bagatelle.

 

[MillauFr]

But how can they undervalue it when FastPass was free? How could this be worse than free? I’m sort of mind-boggled that people are saying more people are using Genie+ than Fastpass?

There is the fear of missing out. Everyone knows that massive price increases are coming. People want to visit now while prices are cheap.

 

[Aurora0427]

But how can they undervalue it when FastPass was free? How could this be worse than free? I’m sort of mind-boggled that people are saying more people are using Genie+ than Fastpass?

Maybe the increase in tourism really is so much that it increased the numbers. I don’t know. I don’t understand it…. I know when Walt Disney World came out with fast pass plus, it dramatically increased wait times in all standby lines because rides that had historically never had fast pass, now did, and it increased wait times overall, at all 4 parks, at all attractions. Rides like Figment now had wait times. But I don’t think Disneyland added LL to any attractions that didn’t have historic fast pass.

So my money is Disney screwed this up somehow by whatever system they used, but who really knows.

 

[Pluto468]

This is really making me regret not buying the Genie+ hoppers for our May 2023 trip. I liked being able to add Genie+ only on the days I felt I needed it on our last trip, and was planning on doing that in May. But if it's $30 or even more that's going to add up quickly. I wish they wouldn't have different prices on different days, it makes budgeting really tricky.

I still don't understand why Genie+ isn't working as well as Fastpass/Maxpass. It seems to make lines so much worse. I wonder what % of people buy Genie+ vs how many people used to pay for Maxpass. I guess the park also isn't totally back to normal, so that must make a difference. Aside from the ride closures there have been, Toontown is closed, shows aren't all back etc. That's got to make a difference with crowds/lines. Maybe someday in the future it will all settle. Maybe...

 

[mom2rtk]

This is really making me regret not buying the Genie+ hoppers for our May 2023 trip. I liked being able to add Genie+ only on the days I felt I needed it on our last trip, and was planning on doing that in May. But if it's $30 or even more that's going to add up quickly. I wish they wouldn't have different prices on different days, it makes budgeting really tricky.

I still don't understand why Genie+ isn't working as well as Fastpass/Maxpass. It seems to make lines so much worse. I wonder what % of people buy Genie+ vs how many people used to pay for Maxpass. I guess the park also isn't totally back to normal, so that must make a difference. Aside from the ride closures there have been, Toontown is closed, shows aren't all back etc. That's got to make a difference with crowds/lines. Maybe someday in the future it will all settle. Maybe...

There's no way to know if the parks are as fully staffed and running as they were during FP/MP days. So it's really impossible to fairly compare.

 

[limace]

There's no way to know if the parks are as fully staffed and running as they were during FP/MP days. So it's really impossible to fairly compare.

I thin the Touring Plans folks actually have a really good idea about how capacity and attendance compare-love data nerds . I’m going to send this question in to them.

 

[DLRExpert]

But isn't that the problem? They seem unwilling to increase the price enough so that it is a useful product.

They want as many people to buy as possible. They do not care about the guest experience. They just need to know where that G+ and ILL purchasing limit is at.
They also need to see how the G+ and ILL increase effect the Food and Merch purchases (ex people buy G+ or ILL but then don't eat as much or buy merch).

If people buy at $30 that will become the starting price. Then they will try $40, the $50, etc.