Just Checked out of VWL - Is Smoking Allowed on the Balcony in a Non-smoking Room?

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by mjfox
I don't know about the ville's but Disney doesn't allow smoking at all unless you are in a smoking room or a smoking area.

They don't enforce this rule very much as I have seen guest in the parks go up to a cast or security guard and ask them a question with a lite stick in their hands.

I have also, complained at CR about the guest above us dropping their left overs onto our balcony. Housekeepping did come after I called to clean up the mess, but it kept happening for several days after that, so I called each time.

That is incorrect. You may smoke in the smoking areas of the park, in the open air anywhere on Disney property outside the parks and in your smoking room and non smoking room balcony.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by gracelrm
Just curious, is the $300 fine for smoking in a NS room something Disney's going to start doing? I hadn't hearrd about that. I'm not a smoker, so it doesn't affect me - just curious

It has not been proposed or mention. It is a BIG wishful thought in the mind of Nick. Gotta love his imagination.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Desperado
Perhaps some of you are right. When you work with a cancer hospital and see the damage, horror and misery that the stupidity of smoking causes and hear so many people with cancer and bald heads from chemotherapy say "If I'd have only used my head and stopped smoking a long time ago" one acquires some bias. We all pay for the stupidity in higher insurace premiums caused by smoking related diseases. If a person is in the grips of the nicotine drug addition and cannot avoid smoking, the balconey is certainly prefered over destroying a non-smoking room.

I agree with Nick, I look forward to a $300 fine being put in place for smokers violating non-smoking room designations.

We all pay for obesity too, that does not stop people from overeating.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
It is a BIG wishful thought in the mind of Nick. Gotta love his imagination.

When it does happen Gail..........I promise I won't say "I told you so".

 

[BWVDee]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
won't happen, Nick. I doubt they will ever charge anyoone's credit cards for anything. Considering the "shrink" at the DVC props. I find it hard to believe they would even consider it.

ITA. Not only do I agree that WDW will never charge anyone's CC for anything, I also strongly feel they will never make all their resorts smoke free, especially DVC resorts. WDW on a whole gets way too many guests that are smokers for them to ever risk a substantial loss of revenue that totally free smoking resorts would most likely cost them; WDW is too politically correct to ever engage in such a practice that is so obviously discriminatory; and DVC would get way too much flack from DVC members that want smoking villas. In all most, all certainity Disney will not have a leg to stand on, if they ever attempted to make all DVC villas non smoking. True it does not state anywhere in the DVC disclosure that a smoking villa is guaranteed, BUT it also does not state anything about the villas being designated smoking or non smoking in the disclosure or their availability or lack of avialabilty of said accommondations. It is an unquestioned and unspecified given and if it was ever to be a factor in a member's usuage and enjoyment of their contract, it needed to have been addressed in the orginal DVC offering--before people committed many, many thousands of $ and were in a legal and binding contract. The issue is never addressed or even mentioned in the offering, unlike the specifications that are very clearly spelled out regarding pool hopping, special events etc. and their non guaranteed continued availabilty. For DVC to now make unavailable to members with a valid contract, all villas due to smoking preferences--which was never addressed in any way, shape or form on the orginal legal documents--would be a big sin of omission. I could very well be wrong, but my instinct on this one is: it just ain't going to happen! DVC/DVD/WDW is smart enough to know that there are way too many loopholes in this that would only take a sharp lawyer to win a law suit against DVC; for them ever to do this.
Personally as a DVC member, I would be very against this. It does not matter whether our traveling group contains smokers or not, this would not be right or fair. All DVC members are people that have paid for and possess legal contracts, these contracts must have the same essential offerings for the duration of the contract as they did when you signed the dotted line and paid your money.
I am also very against the recent changes with BWV boardwalk views being now all non smoking, and I fully intend to make my concern known. Again it does not matter that we may not have smokers in our traveling party, it is just not right or acceptable. What is going to be next, only parties with members over the age of 10 can stay on the upper floors because the kids make too much noise stomping overhead for those staying below who suffer from severe and often disabling migranes???
BTW, I have asthma and take daily medication and I have never had an asthma attack in a WDW resort room. I have had asthma attacts due to the high FL humidity but never had one from being in a smoking or non smoking WDW resort room. Nor have I ever had an asthma attack from being in a room at the Poly due to mold/smell, etc., or whatever nonsense is often posted regarding the Poly rooms on the resort board.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by BWVDee
True it does not state anywhere in the DVC disclosure that a smoking villa is guaranteed...

Thanks for agreeing with me Dee with the statement above.

You stated the bottom line above. It can happen if it is not in our contract.

 

[BWVDee]

True it does not state anywhere in the DVC disclosure that a smoking villa is guaranteed, BUT it also does not state anything about the villas being designated smoking or non smoking in the disclosure or their availability or lack of avialabilty of said accommondations. It is an unquestioned and unspecified given and if it was ever to be a factor in a member's usuage and enjoyment of their contract, it needed to have been addressed in the orginal DVC offering--before people committed many, many thousands of $ and were in a legal and binding contract. The issue is never addressed or even mentioned in the offering, unlike the specifications that are very clearly spelled out regarding pool hopping, special events etc. and their non guaranteed continued availabilty. For DVC to now make unavailable to members with a valid contract, all villas due to smoking preferences--which was never addressed in any way, shape or form on the orginal legal documents--would be a big sin of omission. I could very well be wrong, but my instinct on this one is: it just ain't going to happen! DVC/DVD/WDW is smart enough to know that there are way too many loopholes in this that would only take a sharp lawyer to win a law suit against DVC; for them ever to do this.

Ahhhh, wait a minute Nick, you left off the rest of my post that clearly states, that on this one....you and I are on different sides of the Mason/Dixon line. Good try though! LOL! I am not saying you are necessarily wrong, just saying that I majorly disagree with you and have a totally different prediction on this one!

 

[nanajoyx2]

When we stayed at the GC at Disneyland in May 2001, the entire hotel was evacuated around 2am because someone was smoking their room and the fire alarm was activated. We were not told the reason but I asked when I got up later that day.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by BWVDee
ITA. Not only do I agree that WDW will never charge anyone's CC for anything, I also strongly feel they will never make all their resorts smoke free, especially DVC resorts. WDW on a whole gets way too many guests that are smokers for them to ever risk a substantial loss of revenue that totally free smoking resorts would most likely cost them; WDW is too politically correct to ever engage in such a practice that is so obviously discriminatory; and DVC would get way too much flack from DVC members that want smoking villas.

I would just like to bring up that this was the arguement that everyone used when NY and NYC restaurants went smoke free. Everyone said they would lose revenue and places would close. That is not the case people still go out to eat and non smokers frequent smaller places more often like a local pub or grill with their families now to eat whereas prior to the ban they wouldn't because the smoke was so bad. So it has not had a negative effect on the business all the owners worried about.

I believe this would be true for DVC as well. Smokers would still vacation there and things would still be ok. Maintenance fees may be lower in the area of maintaining smoking rooms. It would not be as debilitating as people think. Plus IMO it is not discrimination to not allow smoking. Smoking hurts the smoker and those around the smoker. Smoking is a choice.

 

[msdis]

We just returned from BWV in a non-smoking room, or so it was supposed to be. The room did not smell but I found 2 spots where a lit cigarette had been positioned on the sink and left a burn mark.
We have never had an encounter on our DVC balcony but it did smell in a ns room twice before this trip and twice on DCL on the balcony was really bad. We paid so much money for that room to be able to sit outside and we kept having to go inside because of all the smoke. I'm sure the wind and movement made it worse than if the air was more stagnant.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
I would just like to bring up that this was the arguement that everyone used when NY and NYC restaurants went smoke free. Everyone said they would lose revenue and places would close. That is not the case people still go out to eat and non smokers frequent smaller places more often like a local pub or grill with their families now to eat whereas prior to the ban they wouldn't because the smoke was so bad. So it has not had a negative effect on the business all the owners worried about.

I believe this would be true for DVC as well. Smokers would still vacation there and things would still be ok. Maintenance fees may be lower in the area of maintaining smoking rooms. It would not be as debilitating as people think. Plus IMO it is not discrimination to not allow smoking. Smoking hurts the smoker and those around the smoker. Smoking is a choice.

Excellent and very true post 3DisneyNUTS!

 

[colleen costello]

The smoking in public areas is an issue for me. The Wilderness Lodge DOES have very close balconies and last summer I rarely enjoyed mine. I kept going out to use my cell phone and kept having to run back in because I was surrounded by smokers. I was left wondering why smoking rooms are "scattered" instead of being at one part of a hallway, so the smoky balconies are all together. It did bug me that I did't get to enjoy MY balcony at all!

At OKW in March we noticed a "designated smoking area" at the Turtle Pond Pool and we were thrilled. We avoided this area and avoided smoke. I hope they do this at more resort pool areas. I believe the two groups really have to be separated and when there is a designated area, people know where to sit.

I too am the child of a second-hand smoke home, and I can't stand to be around smoke. Not on the soapbox here, I carry way too many extra pounds to mess with someone else's addictions. I do, however, think nonsmokers deserve smoke free zones and hope Disney will continue to find ways to separate the groups so everyone is happy.

 

[TnRobin]

guys this is turning into a debate on smoking. Please return to the OT

 

[dallastxcpa]

When we checked into the GC out at DL a couple of weeks ago, the CM checking us in informed us the GC is a totally non-smoking hotel. If we did smoke in the room there would be a $200 cleaning fee billed to our credit card. Not being smokers we thought that was great.

We just returned last night from a week stay at the Grand Californian at DL. The previous poster was right that you do have to sign a waiver or pay a fee for smoking in your room. However, I did learn that guests can smoke on their balconies without penalty. The guests staying right next to us were smoking on their balcony.

If I remember correctly all of Southern California has a no smoking ban in public places unless it is an outside service area. For example a balcony. I don't believe that the decision to make GC totally non-smoking was Disney decision.

Lorrie

 

[dallastxcpa]

I would just like to bring up that this was the arguement that everyone used when NY and NYC restaurants went smoke free. Everyone said they would lose revenue and places would close. That is not the case people still go out to eat and non smokers frequent smaller places more often like a local pub or grill with their families now to eat whereas prior to the ban they wouldn't because the smoke was so bad. So it has not had a negative effect on the business all the owners worried about.

I think there is a big difference between running down the street to get an evening dinner and the decision to spend thousands of dollars on a vacation. I do not smoke, but I know many people who do and I can promise you that they would go somewhere else if they thought they had to spend a whole week without a cigarette.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by Nick@ VB+OKW
When it does happen Gail..........I promise I won't say "I told you so".

I doubt it will happen, so I doubt I will need to worry. Disney knows it would be a really stupid move.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
I would just like to bring up that this was the arguement that everyone used when NY and NYC restaurants went smoke free. Everyone said they would lose revenue and places would close. That is not the case people still go out to eat and non smokers frequent smaller places more often like a local pub or grill with their families now to eat whereas prior to the ban they wouldn't because the smoke was so bad. So it has not had a negative effect on the business all the owners worried about.

I believe this would be true for DVC as well. Smokers would still vacation there and things would still be ok. Maintenance fees may be lower in the area of maintaining smoking rooms. It would not be as debilitating as people think. Plus IMO it is not discrimination to not allow smoking. Smoking hurts the smoker and those around the smoker. Smoking is a choice.

If a person smokes in a smoking designated unit, I hardly think it has any effect on a non smoker in a non smoking unit. If they are smoking in a designated smoking area and you waltz into it, that is your bad, not the smoker's.
Eating out is a choice too, btw.
Tell me this. NY has an exemption in place for people who have lost more than 15% of their revenue since the non smoking laws came into effect, especially where their lottery ticket sales are affected. So, tell me, what do they care about, smoking or revenue? It is most certainly discrimination to ban smoking totally. It is a blatant case of taxation without representation or freedom to enjoy what you are being taxed for.

I doubt the upkeep is any higher in the smoking units than non smoking and I totally doubt you would see a decrease in the yearly fees as the smoking units at any DVC do not exceed 5% of the total units. That, certainly, should be enough to keep non smokers quiet.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by msdis
We just returned from BWV in a non-smoking room, or so it was supposed to be. The room did not smell but I found 2 spots where a lit cigarette had been positioned on the sink and left a burn mark.
We have never had an encounter on our DVC balcony but it did smell in a ns room twice before this trip and twice on DCL on the balcony was really bad. We paid so much money for that room to be able to sit outside and we kept having to go inside because of all the smoke. I'm sure the wind and movement made it worse than if the air was more stagnant.

I paid a lot of money for my membership, I feel I should be able to enjoy my balcony just as much as anyone else. Stagnant air is worse for smoke, it does not move or disappear as fast. IE:
Illuminations on a foggy night. The smoke never moves, windy night, no smoke.

 

[TnRobin]

Okay - if you want to continue discussing the pros and cons of smoking. Please do so on the debate board.