Just back...the good, the bad, and the tour groups!

We just got back and luck was on our side we never saw a tour group. We stayed at POR and did see two green-shirted CM's preparing a stack of "goodies" my guess is that a group was on the way in! My DD was overtaken by a large group a few weeks ago and she literally had a panic attack. The kids in the group surrounded her and she was getting pushed and shoved. She managed to make it to the edge of the group and got out safely. But it was very unnerving. Overall I'd say the crowds were on the "thin" side in my opinion.
 
Tour groups don't bother me at all. They are kids having fun. Does it annoy you when you hear kids screaming at the beach/park/etc. Ever been to Chucky Cheese?

What bothers us are the scooter users who allow their children/grandchildren to ride on their lap while maneuvering through the park. That is a lot more dangerous than a few kids singing in the park. Imagine being crushed by one of those things with a 600 lb driver.
 
and you're there in a year when the economic downturn in South America has resulted in fewer tour groups apparently.
 
We went last June 2015 and thought we would miss the tour groups...but we were dead wrong. The worst was trying to watch Illuminations. They chanted the entire time of the show. We could barely hear the music or the fireworks!!
 

We just got back and luck was on our side we never saw a tour group. We stayed at POR and did see two green-shirted CM's preparing a stack of "goodies" my guess is that a group was on the way in! My DD was overtaken by a large group a few weeks ago and she literally had a panic attack. The kids in the group surrounded her and she was getting pushed and shoved. She managed to make it to the edge of the group and got out safely. But it was very unnerving. Overall I'd say the crowds were on the "thin" side in my opinion.
We saw them too. After some studying of them around the resort I determined they were there as translators. Not for the tour groups but for the Spanish speaking guests in general. They came to the activities and translated for the kids (not tour group kids but kids with families)

But we saw plenty of them in the parks. Hard to miss 20 matching tshirts and back packs, even if they were otherwise quiet. There were a minimum of 3 groups of them at any park on any of our 10 days there.
 
I live in a college town and used to work on the street that is considered Fraternity/Sorority row. Tour groups have nothing on supposedly grown up young adults. We got our office windows shot out by boys from their roof, I looked out my window one day to see a still drunk young man relieving himself on my car, I got called to my office one night by the police because our alarm was going off because a window had been broken - they said it looked like someone had fallen through it, I've had girls in my office crying because their cars were being towed - despite the sign in our parking lot that says private parking and all cars will be towed - but we had a meeting last night and are just now getting up, I've seen them walk out in front of cars without looking and heaven forbid you try to go out to dinner downtown on a Friday night. And don't even think about trying to work during rush, talk about chanting and cheering.
 
We stayed at POR and did see two green-shirted CM's

Those are Super Greeters.:)

They are all from Brazil(Green is the color of their flag and the Brazil flag is on their shirts) and are brought in every June/July/early August to "work" with the SATGs(They are also used to "interact" with Portuguese-speaking Guests).:)

They are assigned to every resort that houses the SATGs as well as every Park,Water Park and Disney Springs.

They are really cool people-they love WDW-MANY of them have previously done IPs at WDW.:)

Their main job is to keep the BTGs and ATGs away from each other!lol;):)
 
there is a fine line between being happy and exuberant and being disrespectful to other people.
just because some people on this forum never had a bad experience with the tour groups does not mean everyone else hasn't.

i have nothing against anyone on this forum nor the tour groups when they are respecting others.
 
We just returned today. Didn't see any chanting groups in the parks, but as we were getting off the airport train, the one across from us had the doors open and a group inside were chanting and singing. I'm glad I wasn't on that train!
 
I love the Magic Bands too.
The only thing I hate is the positioned the readers wrong on the rides and point of purchase.

The point of purchase is usually flat on a counter and you have to flip your hand upside down with pin point accuracy to get that Mickey to line up with that Mickey. I should probably flip it around so Mickey is on the bottom of my wrist but it is uncomfortable to wear that way. And then you have the CM saying "Mickey to Mickey". Really???? What does it look like I am doing here????

Then the rides are so close you can't get two people side by side there. Maybe two kids...
 
I hope Disney will get real about addressing this issue, but I fear it won't. I just need to "adapt" and "accept" or avoid July and August in the future.

We were there from July 3rd until the 13th and there appeared to us to be a vast improvement in how the CMs dealt with the chanting over last year. The chanting was significantly down from last year. At the bus stop at HS, a group started chanting and a CM immediately began yelling at them, "Stop chanting! You are not allowed to chant!" They piped down fairly quickly. I am sure it is uncomfortable for CMs to ask the groups not to chant, and I am sure not all of them do it, but it did appear that Disney has been training them to stop the chanting, and some of them are actually doing so.

There are probably still things they can do, but I was impressed at how the CM immediately stopped them. We did not see any of that last year.

During our brief stay at All Star Sports (we did a split stay- 3 nights at All Star Sports and 7 at AKL), we did see the groups several times at All Star Sports, but it seemed that Disney had tried to separate them from the families. The families seemed to be staying in Touchdown and Homerun Hotel, where the big teen groups seemed to be concentrated in Hoops. The only time we were bothered by them was one morning at the food court, where they were literally running and jumping all around the food court trying to snag tables. It wasn't a huge deal, but it was enough to make us REALLY glad we were moving over to AKL. I would stay at a value again during July, but I would be tempted to spend more and go for a moderate or AKL to avoid the groups.
 
I seem to remember reading somewhere on DISboards that the supervisors of all tour groups are given a sheet listing rules for behavior and chanting was listed as a "No". That would explain the CM in AtlantDisneyDreamer's post above saying "You're not allowed to chant." So if this is a WDW rule, then I'm wondering why not all CM's are enforcing it?
I mean WDW in the past has clearly has set rules against things that others consider "fun"-- smoking anywhere you want, full-costumes on adults, etc.
I've never experienced large tour groups but what was described by the OP would bother me. I have 4 kids and when they were little I always tried to make sure their "fun" didn't bother anyone else. I would HOPE (and expect) that now as teens and young adults they would remember what they were taught even if mom wasn't there to shoot them "the look"!
 
That would explain the CM in AtlantDisneyDreamer's post above saying "You're not allowed to chant." So if this is a WDW rule, then I'm wondering why not all CM's are enforcing it?

FWIW,the Super Greeters told me that current "Chantsinging Policy":) is no Chantsinging in "enclosed spaces" but Chantsinging is not banned in "open spaces".

They seemed to be following that policy for the most part although there was that one time in the Food Court when an Argentina celebrity walked through and there was a HUGE ATG in there that went wild-I now know what Beatlemania must have felt like-my ears are still ringing!lol:)

But I have to give them a pass on that one.lol:)

There was still plenty of Chantsinging(the ATGs are still doing that little "dance" where they just stop and Chantsing and jump up and down 3 times,then jump backwards once and forward once) but not nearly as much as past years when it would be NONSTOP.

We actually had a good time with them this trip,for example once we were on a bus with nobody else but a huge ATG and I taught them our Football Team's cheer and led them in doing it several times-they really got into it(imagine that!lol:)).:)
 
the biggest problems with these SA tour groups is they don't have chaperones. they have tour guides. big difference. they aren't there to protect the kids and keep their behavior in line. they are barely older thanthe kids themselves and are paid big bucks to make sure these kids ave a good time. that is their #1 priority.
 
DW, DD (24), DS (17) and I just returned from a 7-night split stay at AKL and SSR. We have been going to WDW virtually annually since 2001.

Here's the lowdown:

THE GOOD: I am a Fastpass+ convert. I went into this experience extremely skeptical and longing for the old FP system, but my thoughts have changed. It was great going into every day knowing we had 2-3 experiences guaranteed without having to go through the exhausting drill of reaching parks at rope drop. And we found it remarkably easy to get additional FP after our initial ones expired. So count me in as a new member of the FP+ flock!

Magicband technology still has some holes in it, BUT it also offers remarkable ease in going to parks, charging, room access, etc. Additionally, it was very cool to have personalized messages in some of the ride queues, as well as ride videos captured for you. Very cool.

Customer service was actually best at SSR, where we received a room upgrade and free ice cream bars (because we arrived after all stores were closed.) The resort itself needs a surprising amount of updates given how relatively young the facility is--and the design of the rooms is poor. Who was in charge of determining the single bathroom plan with the incredibly awkward shared entrances and exits, anyway?

Best attraction experience was Kiliminjaro Safaris--all due to an enthusiastic and knowledgeable cast member with a pleasant and understandable voice. She needs to train so many other cast members all over Disney who recite their messages in uninspiring, robotic and all-too-fast delivery.

THE BAD: Customer service has gone down hill. I had read it here and thought people were too harsh, but, for the most part, they are right. With the very notable exception of the folks at SSR and at Kiliminjaro Safaris referenced above, the service was often lackluster and rather emotionally indifferent. Upon arrival at AKL, we were greeted by a cast-member with ZERO enthusiasm--how about a SMILE, at least?!? Instead, she mumbled some questions about our bags and awkwardly worked with us to get things organized. Rather incompetent and uninspiring--terrible first impression. Our second encounter was with the bellhop who brought our belongings. While he was pleasant enough, he spent most of his time complaining about the working conditions at Disney. As a marketing/branding professional, I was mortified by this introduction to my Disney trip. There were many other SMILING cast members at the parks and elsewhere--so I don't want to cast aspersions on the many hard-working people who still offer first-class and pleasant service. It's just that BAD service is far more prevalent than it used to be at WDW.

THE TOUR GROUPS: I had read many complaints about the tour groups on these boards and I figured everyone was overstating the issues. But then I experienced these youngsters first hand. I did not witness any line-budging or anything of that sort, BUT their overall behavior exhibited a rather blatant disregard for how their "exuberance" is disruptive to many others. The chants, oh the chants, so persistent--often drowning out park music and any other sights and sounds around you. Then there was the hoarding of tables in quick service restaurants, exacerbated again by chanting, yelling across the room, etc. I get it--young people are exuberant and they like to express themselves. But there ought to be some basic rules for decorum at the parks (and the resorts) for ALL guests--whether you are in a tour group or not. On a basic level, how you express your "enthusiasm" must be done so with consideration for the vacation experience of OTHERS. I really don't blame the kids; they are largely like any gathering of young people from any country going to a big event--they will get a bit "rowdy." But Disney, in my opinion, should be working with Tour Group leaders to establish and enforce basic rules regarding behavior. And actually I think it would be wise to share such rules with ALL Disney guests. It, of course, should be worded to express appreciation for the visit, hope you have a great time, how can we help make it magical, etc., but it also should include some basic expectations for behavior--just like when I take my mountain bike to the trails there is etiquette I need to follow. How about Disney park etiquette for all? I brought this up to Guest Relations and the person basically said, "they are young and just trying to have a good time." My response? "So is my family...and many others. Can't we have some common ground of expectations so that their right to be "exuberant" doesn't disrupt from the experience of other park guests?" I hope Disney will get real about addressing this issue, but I fear it won't. I just need to "adapt" and "accept" or avoid July and August in the future.

We're checking in Aug. 24th, do you know if the tour groups are gone by then?
 
We have definitely experienced lackluster CM's as well over the past few years. It doesn't really bother us nor does it ruin our vacation. We also have experienced tour groups. The chanting doesn't really bother me as much as the lack of personal space does. I understand there is a different personal space perimeter abroad but it really does bother me when someone is "backpacking" me. I'm hot, and sweaty and so are you. Why do you want to get that close to someone when its 90 degrees out. I have definitely noticed a decline in the chanting over the years. I wonder if the Olympics has anthing to do with the low attendance this month?
 
football/soccer is the global sport and with that, comes a chantsong that identifies their team or their country.

The SATGs also Chantsing about their particular Tour Group,their "color",etc.-they have a lot of different things they Chantsing about.:)
 
Tour groups don't bother me at all. They are kids having fun. Does it annoy you when you hear kids screaming at the beach/park/etc. Ever been to Chucky Cheese?

What bothers us are the scooter users who allow their children/grandchildren to ride on their lap while maneuvering through the park. That is a lot more dangerous than a few kids singing in the park. Imagine being crushed by one of those things with a 600 lb driver.
I don't have a problem with kids yelling in a park or the beach. I expect it at a Chucky Cheese. But there are some places where it's entirely unacceptable - movies, churches, funerals, concerts, and other events where people have paid to experience something. We just got back and experienced a tour group yelling, chanting, and talking car-to-car throughout the entire Haunted Mansion ride. In my opinion, they should have been tossed from the park. The effectively took over the ride and ruined the experience for others. I don't care if they chant on a sidewalk, assuming they don't block it.
 












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