Just back....some observations and opinions

[mariepapa]

I am not being self-righteous. I said smokers have the right to smoke in their designated areas. But I do not want my kids to breathe smoke from those who are smoking while waiting in line or at other times. My kids have asthma. They can get seriously ill from smoke. I used to smoke years ago so I know how it is from the other side of the coin.

Besides, why is it so bad to want to protect the health of my children? I also get quite ill from cigarette smoke. It triggers severe migraines/vertigo attacks. If I see a lot of people smoking I steer clear of that area. But someone just lighting up in a line is a different story. That person knows the rules, but does not want to follow them.

 

[kaytieeldr]

But someone just lighting up in a line is a different story. That person knows the rules, but does not want to follow them.

Respectfully, where is the rule? Assuming we're talking about Walt Disney World, it's not on the park map - there's nothing at all about smoking outside the park gates. Are there signs in/at the boat docks telling Guests they can't smoke?

 

[gisgt]

Respectfully, where is the rule? Assuming we're talking about Walt Disney World, it's not on the park map - there's nothing at all about smoking outside the park gates. Are there signs in/at the boat docks telling Guests they can't smoke?

I'm pretty sure, no. If I'm wrong, there may be something in the small covered portion. I'm sure there is nothing on the paths to the docks, where the majority of the line typically waits.

 

[DisGirl23]

Define smoke break If you mean "walk away from the computer (or stop typing) specifically to have a cigarette", I don't qualify. If you mean, "in the course of normal life, including driving to and from work, going for lab tests, having work done on my car - and smoking in the car and while waiting at the car repair facility even though I was already away from the computer anyway" - then, yes, several times since the thread started

Ah you got me! I hadn't been following this thread so, I spent a lot of time catching up last night. So I definitely had to stop once to specifically have a cigarette. And it was definitely a good smoke break too.

 

[katebeth]

I'm pretty sure, no. If I'm wrong, there may be something in the small covered portion. I'm sure there is nothing on the paths to the docks, where the majority of the line typically waits.

Maybe Disney doesn't have smoking "rules" posted in those spots because they are hoping that most smokers would be curtious enough not to light up in a line where the majority of the the line waits. And I don't think most smokers would do that, because I think most smokers are curtious to others who don't smoke. Unfortunatly there are those few people who don't care and will light up where ever and when ever

 

[designermv]

I was under the impression that anywhere within the Walt Disney World Resorts and park property, the only places that you could smoke were in designated smoking areas. So if there is no sign saying you *can* smoke on the boat docks, then you shouldn't smoke.

From the Disney website:

Beginning June 1, 2007, Disney owned and operated resort hotels and Disney Vacation Club resorts will become smoke-free environments. This policy includes all guest rooms, balconies, patios, meeting spaces, restaurants, lounges and public space. Smoking will be allowed in designated outdoor smoking locations only. A room recovery fee will be charged for smoking in Guest rooms, on balconies, or on patios.

The boat docks would fall under public space, I would think.

 

[kimgg]

Respectfully, where is the rule? Assuming we're talking about Walt Disney World, it's not on the park map - there's nothing at all about smoking outside the park gates. Are there signs in/at the boat docks telling Guests they can't smoke

Sorry Kaytie, respectfully, a few posts back you said if someone is smoking in a crowd, they must be in a smoking designated area. Now you are claiming that if there is no rule, that it must be OK to smoke. THAT is exactly what I and several others are referring to. It is RUDE and THOUGHTLESS to smoke in a crowded area that is NOT DESIGNATED as a smoking area. If it is WDW, there's gonna be kids in almost every crowd. You are exposing them to your smoke when you do so. No one should have to move or avoid you or ask you to stop. If there is no rule, health and consideration should prevail, but obviously they do not, or so many of us would not be griping and venting about it. Hence, my large font a few posts ago.

Sorry I am being less and less nice, I know it.

 

[lillygator]

I was under the impression that anywhere within the Walt Disney World Resorts and park property, the only places that you could smoke were in designated smoking areas. So if there is no sign saying you *can* smoke on the boat docks, then you shouldn't smoke.

From the Disney website:



The boat docks would fall under public space, I would think.

 

[KellyNY]

Drop it where exactly?

Seriously? It was not clear?

 

[KellyNY]

No. IF I'm smoking in a group, it's a pretty dam sure thing we're smoking EXACTLY where it's permitted - either legally or by the business/property owner.

Don't fake-cough. Don't grimace. Don't risk having your face freeze in one of those dirty looks. We're not going to smile, grin, or bear it. YOU use an alternate path or entrance.

My office has three entrances (possibly four; I haven't been by the other one, it could just be an emergency exit, but I digress). One is WELL-KNOWN to be immediately adjacent to the smoking area; smoking is prohibited at or near the other two entrances.

If smoke bothers you, simply DON'T USE THAT DOOR.




Oh, and we're pretty smart (dead brain cells notwithstanding). We can read and comprehend normal-size font.

Well said !

 

[KellyNY]

but "technically" a line is not non smoking so by them saying that, it would imply they would do it.

And how did you come to this conclusion?

 

[2Tiggies]

Even the poster you think said they'd smoke in lines, didn't actually say that.

Glad to know I am not the only one who re-read the whole thread

I was under the impression that anywhere within the Walt Disney World Resorts and park property, the only places that you could smoke were in designated smoking areas. So if there is no sign saying you *can* smoke on the boat docks, then you shouldn't smoke.

I have always assumed the same. I would smoke in a DSA in the park before leaving if I anticipate a long wait for the bus/boat as it never occurred to me that it was permitted anywhere outwith the designated areas. Not saying this is or isn't the case, but maybe this is just another example of unclear policy. It is open to interpretation on both ends. I don't have a problem not smoking for several hours and if busy touring parks, I am likely not to think about it for for hours on end.

Another assumption I made was that Disney introduced the DSAs in the parks primarily as a safety issue, rather than a health issue. Again, I dont want to start a debate - but it just made sense to me that 50 000 people packed into a park, some walking around with cigarettes which happen to be at the average young child's eye level, was assessed as a safety risk.

 

[pixie921]

No the self righteousness comes into play because there are other children that at disney world and hers are not the only ones that matter. If I wanted to make sure that my children werent subjected to cigarette smoke then I will stay clear of smoking areas. There are other toxins that they are breathing in coming from the air besides cigarette smoke.

The point was, she was referring to people who smoke OUTSIDE designated smoking areas. You are repeatedly missing (or ignoring) that part. No one is objecting to smokers smoking in designated areas. It's the smoking in lines, around groups of other people, that we object to.

It's beyond inconsiderate and entitled to expose others (children OR adults) to their personal carcinogens, stench and smoke. It's POISON. Those of us who have reactive asthma can have attacks. I SO appreciate smokers who make the effort to step away and smoke away from others ... it's the ones who just don't give a crap that make me angry.

 

[disneydad78]

What's weird here is that I don't think I've ever noticed what shoes somebody else was wearing in WDW.

I KNOW RIGHT,,WHO CARES WHAT SOMEONE HAS ON THEIR FEET. Its not my feet.

 

[katebeth]

I KNOW RIGHT,,WHO CARES WHAT SOMEONE HAS ON THEIR FEET. Its not my feet.

I was just observing..not judging....my quote exactly

"Now this didn't personally bother me, just thought it was interesting...I saw so many women wearing HIGH heel shoes and sandals at the parks. Maybe they are comfortable..I know my feet would be cramping before I got past security..But to each his own"

I was simply people watching and just commenting on what I saw

 

[lillygator]

I agree about smoking in designated areas *inside* of the parks. But the biggest gripe of the OP was in regard to smoking while waiting for a boat, which are outside of the parks. This is perfectly acceptable because there is no prohibition against smoking outside of the parks. So you're right - Smoking is my prerogative, MOVING is yours, in that situation.

No, I'm suggesting if they don't like the people near them in line, they can go to the end of it. The same option you have if the people near you are loud, smelly or otherwise annoying you without doing anything illegal or prohibited. And as for the fire batons - I would LOVE to be in line with someone who did this. Although, you could make a mint in tips if you did it *next* to the line instead. It'd be like those street musicians that hang outside of the stadiums for the crowds to leave.

exactly, and the posters who say they have no problem lighting up in the bus, boat or other lines and will make faces back etc, well that is just plain rude.

see. that is just it. You will leave the comfort of your home (maybe not by your choice) so there is no smoke/smell inside, BUT smokers posting on here have no issues lighting up in a line since it isn't at the parks. Those lines may not be huge compared to inside the parks, but you are pretty close to others. I know, some idoit burned my arm with one.

You owe me thirty minutes. I went back and read the entire thread to find 'the posters who say they have no problem lighting up in the bus, boat or other lines and will make faces back'. Nobody said they would, will, or do smoke in lines. Please reread the posts. What several of us said was that because there are no posted or printed restrictions, it's understandable that people would presume it's acceptable to smoke. As for the 'making faces' part? That was said by somebody who would be smoking ONLY in designated smoking areas but who knows from experience that this won't stop nonsmokers from - I think she said - giving the 'stinkeye'.

Even the poster you think said they'd smoke in lines, didn't actually say that.

not sure who you are takling about that I quoted, but I was referring to the it's perfectly acceptable post in my mind when I posted.

 

[Dan Murphy]

Smoking, while within a group of people waiting for a boat, or other conveyance, to me, would be like the controllable passing of gas. It may be a relief to the smoker, or the gaser, and there may not be a written rule against doing so....however, it might be the polite and caring-of-others point of view to either walk away from the group, for a few moments, or, wait until your destination and you are no longer part of a group you might offend, and then have your smoke, or pass your gas. I guess it just comes down to whom one cares about the most, themselves, or others.

 

[Brian_WDW74]

"Just back" threads belong on our Trip Reports board, so I've moved this one.

 

[bouncy54]

Smoking, while within a group of people waiting for a boat, or other conveyance, to me, would be like the controllable passing of gas. It may be a relief to the smoker, or the gaser, and there may not be a written rule against doing so....however, it might be the polite and caring-of-others point of view to either walk away from the group, for a few moments, or, wait until your destination and you are no longer part of a group you might offend, and then have your smoke, or pass your gas. I guess it just comes down to whom one cares about the most, themselves, or others.

and

I'm a smoker but would never dream of lighting up in a crowd or a line of people. I didn't do that even when it was legal to do so..many, many moons ago.

 

[mariepapa]

The point was, she was referring to people who smoke OUTSIDE designated smoking areas. You are repeatedly missing (or ignoring) that part. No one is objecting to smokers smoking in designated areas. It's the smoking in lines, around groups of other people, that we object to.

It's beyond inconsiderate and entitled to expose others (children OR adults) to their personal carcinogens, stench and smoke. It's POISON. Those of us who have reactive asthma can have attacks. I SO appreciate smokers who make the effort to step away and smoke away from others ... it's the ones who just don't give a crap that make me angry.