Just back, I couldn't believe what I saw!

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We got back yesterday after a two week break and were lucky enough to have been treated really well by all CMs - some of the parks did look unkempt sometimes, but as others have already pointed out it only takes 30 seconds to pick up a piece of litter and drop it in a trash can.

A point I wanted to raise is that a lot of CMs are not from the local area, one CM I was chatting with explained that she was away from home (I think it was Minnesota) for the first time and was very homesick - I know that there is no excuse for ill manners, but if a CM is distant or looks down, remember that they are human too.
 
cleo said:
Disney also does not promise their employees will tolerate being used as whipping boys and girls all day, every day, and still have a Stepford Wife smile on their faces at the end of it all, just so someone won't feel 'offended'.

Employees get to the point where they've had enough of it. People cut in front, stop in front, bump, burp, yell and stare.

Oh, (some) Disney guests do much more than that!! My daughter did the Disney College Program ~ I visited her many times while she was there and got to know other CPer's and also many 'regular' CMs. You would not believe some of the ways the CMs are treated by the "guests"! It was interesting to see it from the "other side". Honestly, I am amazed at what they sometimes put up with day after day -- and yet we all expect them to keep that smile on their face and be cheerful. Most times they are able to do that, but once in a while even the best of the CMs truly have "had enough". Hopefully most times when that occurs they are able to take a break and get off-stage for a while. All too often it seems, the CMs encounter guests who are rude, demanding and even drunk (think the Epcot/BW area at night).

The pay issue is another thing altogether. I know of many college students who would have loved to stay on with (or go back to) Disney because the truly love Disney and the entire experience. These are people Disney should want to keep within the company. These CPers didn't make much during the college experience, but that was to be expected. But, after getting a full-time offer, most all of them had to decline because they could not move to Orlando and live on the salary they would receive. :sad2:

Disney has the money to pay for employees to give exceptional customer service, but according to what I have read on these boards, they don't seem to care to require higher service levels than employees from Walmart, Denny's and Motel 6. You get what you pay for, Disney, and while millons of people keep cramming themselves through your gates, I guess good enough is good enough.

Hockeybabe said it quite well!!

Very sad ~
 
HappyLawyer said:
...you should also be careful about posting the name of an individual without their permission...i would delete the name if i were you...

Just because I like to point out humorous logic goofs...

What good would it do for the OP to delete the name from their post if someone has already quoted the entire original message? :rotfl:

If the OP changes their message, that will not change what has already been quoted by another.
 

tomerin said:
actually i agree with much of what has been written here. i know from my extensive reading here that there are a great many issues with the "quality" of the product that WDW in general has been putting out lately. i have read about the CM issues, the cleanliness issues and now with the popular DDP, food quality issues.

when WDW raised the standards or wants the buying public to believe the standards dealing with all services are higher at WDW and you encounter something that isnt up to par, yes, people are going to be shocked and very dissapointed and angry. especially those of us who have been fortunate to enjoy the parks over many years.

i can think of a few reasons for this. the "quality" of some of the CM's may not be up to what was considered WDW standards is because of staffing issues. i have a friend in the orlando area and she has told me that the area is in a bit of a bind now because there are simply not enough people applying for jobs in the service industry. the lack of applicants will prohibit you from staffing your business with an appropriate amount of quality employees. you have to hire people who might not be up to your standards. hence IMHO this may be why some of us have had unfortunate encounters with apathetic and rude CM's.

i work in retail management and i know of this first hand. i live and work on long island new york and the competition for employees does exist. with all of the chain stores and chain resturants that are popping up all over the place, you often wonder where are all of the employees going to come from. businesses are often saddled as to how are they going to enitice employees to come work for them. offer good benifits or good salaries or even a good working environment. sometimes you have to hire that employee you know from experience may not be right for the job but you hope once they get started that they will like it.

its not as simple as offering a higher rate of pay to attract better employees. when you have a publicly held company like Disney is you have to ultimately answer to stockholders. as management will so often mention , especially at contract time, that the highest costs of running a business are the labor costs and these are the ones they can control the easiest. this can be a bit of a problem for current WDW management. if they want to keep up with the standards that Walt set you need quality people to sell a quality product. quality of any kind does not come cheap.

hopefully Eiger and his team will realize that if they want to keep the throngs of people flocking to WDW that more salary and more extensive training of their employees, may be as important then adding another attraction.
I read through this thread with great interest and think tomerin hit the nail on the head. As an HR professional here in Canada, I can tell you that we, as I'm sure other employers across N. America are, finding it increasingly difficult to first and foremost find staff and secondly retain staff for any length of time. Especially when you have a strong economy (as we do here in Alberta) and there are more jobs than people to fill the slots. Unfortunately the reality is if you are offering the lowest salary, you are left with the preverbal "bottom of the barrel" staff, those that we seem to be seeing more of at Disney and elsewhere.

I believe that part of the problem is the work ethic of today's younger workers. It's just not there like it was when I first started working. IMHO, today's younger workers don't have the responsibilities that people my age did. If we wanted to buy something, we had to work to get the money to pay for it. If we weren't able to pay for our bills, we went without. I’m all for parents helping their children out in times of need, but Mommy and Daddy didn’t pay for our cell phones if we couldn’t pay the bill or pay our car payments if we quit working. It seems in this day and age, this is the norm rather than the exception.

I also believe that salary does have a part in the staffing problem, however, as an employer you also need to look at how to keep your employees – training, advancement opportunities, benefits, management style, rewards, etc. The cost of turnover is enormous, not only in terms of recruitment and selection, but also in lost opportunity and productivity. As an employer you need to look at developing your managers to lead and motivate people more effectively. You also need to know why your employees are leaving, and be prepared to change the problem areas, not just hope things will work themselves out.

Just my two cents.

Bonny
 
ogreenlee said:
Customer service everywhere is on the decline, and not to mention that teenagers today are growing up with even more cynicism than I did. These are your CMs and pretty much your customer service providers... cynical, eye-rolling, too-good-to-work young people.

It's sad when you call customer service at any company, get greeted by a fella from India named Bob, and get treated better than you would with someone who might actually be your neighbor.

please do not lump all teens together. For every pain in the behind one (like you describe) there are 2 or more great kids that are getting a bum rap because of the behavior of a few.
 
Because Disney CMs are only known by first name basis I don't think it's ever a good idea to say something negative about them on something like a message board. You never know if there are two CMs by the same name working the same attraction. I understand you writing a letter to disney about it because most likely their manager will know which one of them is the one normally causing trouble for them. There might be another girl wondering why guests are treating her strangely, or even rudely. Also a lot of the time the name on the CMs tag isn't even theirs. Please consider removing the name from your post.
 
CPer'sMom said:
The pay issue is another thing altogether. I know of many college students who would have loved to stay on with (or go back to) Disney because the truly love Disney and the entire experience. These are people Disney should want to keep within the company. These CPers didn't make much during the college experience, but that was to be expected. But, after getting a full-time offer, most all of them had to decline because they could not move to Orlando and live on the salary they would receive. :sad2:

I went to WDW a couple of years ago with an ex-CPer (right out of the program) and met lots of CMs. Most of them were living with multiple roommates to make ends meet - and not in the best sections of town. One CM was so excited because she had qualified for HUD housing and it was a big step up from what she was living in!

Wasn't EPCOT originally supposed to be housing for Disney employees? I think they should build low-cost options for their employees. I know the CP has some apartments but I'm not sure if they are Disney owned or not.
 
DVC Jen said:
please do not lump all teens together. For every pain in the behind one (like you describe) there are 2 or more great kids that are getting a bum rap because of the behavior of a few.


You're absolutely right, and I apologize.

I guess I'm just jaded by the ones that stand out, which is exactly what they are trying to acheive, but many in a negative way.
 
I normally just browse the posts, but this thread had me so mad I had to register. As a CP graduate, I have to say that every CM is a human being and aren't we allowed to have a bad day. For all you know there mom could be in the hopital or their dog just died.
Cleo and CPer'sMom I agree with you 100%
 
One thing that really struck me hard was when we went this past Feb. in EVERY PARK restroom that I went into to, they were so disgustingly dirty! I mean REALLY REALLY DIRTY! I never experienced this at WDW before. Maybe here and there, but not everytime. The resort restrooms weren't bad, but the parks were a whole different story. It was less scary to go on TOT than to venture into one of the restrooms! :scared:
 
I would just like to chime in here too and stick up for the CM's. We too just returned and usually I am eagerly starting to plan the next trip, but this time.......not so excited to go back. And this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the CM's but EVERYTHING to do with fellow guests. I have never seen such a rude bunch of people in all of my life. The guests are what ruined it for us. In one day.......I witnessed them screaming at the CM's for the food prices being too high, I watched as one guest screamed at a CM in AK because the CM did not give her a straw and then proceeded to shove the drink back at her, which tipped over and spilled towards the CM, then the guest stormed off, swearing!!, and I had witnessed four teenage girls slamming the counter in a gift shop demanding to be helped at a register that was clearly not open!! We also saw some very obnoxious children, but that is another story............It got to the point, when I didn't even know what to say to my children anymore about the behavior they were watching! My children should not have to be exposed to behavior like that!!! What the heck are these people thinking!!??!!

To be honest, if a CM was rude to me, after all that I had encountered with other guests, I probably wouldn't even have noticed!!
 
jess20k said:
One thing that really struck me hard was when we went this past Feb. in EVERY PARK restroom that I went into to, they were so disgustingly dirty! I mean REALLY REALLY DIRTY! I never experienced this at WDW before. Maybe here and there, but not everytime. The resort restrooms weren't bad, but the parks were a whole different story. It was less scary to go on TOT than to venture into one of the restrooms! :scared:

I have to agree - We went in October. The parks were not that busy, but the cleanup personnel were just walking around with their little brooms and pans and occasionally sweeping something. Yet the whole area around them had popcorn or such. People just do not want to work. But, they still expect that paycheck.

That being said........ what is with all the guests making such a total mess everywhere (especially the bathrooms)... There are trashcans everywhere. People are beginning to think they are above it all... they can make a mess... someone will clean it up. Surely we do not act like this at home...
 
I really dont think its fair to forward peoples names, overall the cm do an incredible job.

I personally would have spoke to the Cast member direct and dealt with it on the spot. Sometimes directness is a better aproach and may have given yourself and the castmember something to think about based on the circumstances of why they was acting in such a way.
 
About the language I dont mean to be rude or cruel but if you go to another country learn the language before you go, I know its a sensative topic and I dont want contraversy but learn the language. Besides they do work their butt off to acomodate you and your family they have the right to slip up every now and then, also they dont mess up the bathrooms its some of the rude people who go and they trash it.
 
I don't think Disney will see the need for improving CM salaries, level of customer service, cleanliness , menus, etc. unless attendance drops off considerably. As long as we all keep coming, what's their incentive to address anyone's dissatisfaction? Our family, who've been regular guests since it's opening, has opted to just lower our standards. Sad, but true.
 
Doc CW said:
About the language I dont mean to be rude or cruel but if you go to another country learn the language before you go, I know its a sensative topic and I dont want contraversy but learn the language. Besides they do work their butt off to acomodate you and your family they have the right to slip up every now and then, also they dont mess up the bathrooms its some of the rude people who go and they trash it.

Yeah, right. No one would ever leave the United States then. Most of US can't speak another language. And some of us aren't too swift in the writing/spelling category either.
 
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