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Im a Pop fan and have stayed at most WDW resorts, in 6 wks is my 21st trip:thumbsup2 (not 21 birthday, just 21 trip)and we are POP bound, I am a commando parks gal and will never ever spend extra $ to sleep anywhere else. If u close your bathroom door each night the flushing noise is diminished greatly. We never hear neighbor noise and always stayed second floor. (just by chance not by request) we love mousekeeping, pools and have had clean rooms with zero issues anywhere with POP. We go early and stay late and only swim on non park days(if any) We do our research and dont visit at peak times so as to further our enjoyment! See ya there .........me, DH and DD5:) :cool2: princess:
 
Well. let's see...you stated that the previous poster was insulting when they asserted their own opinion to be fact, which they did not. You stated that by posting their own opinion, the previous poster is suggesting that other posters have lied or exaggerated about their own experiences. The poster never stated that nonsmokers "could not" have a problem with the smoking areas. The actual statement was "Also, I am not a smoker, but Pop has a section for them and it does not interfear with the non-smoking guest." So by asserting that he was "therefore implying that complaints about smoking are fabrications." you have suggested that he is calling the OP a lair.

*The poster wrote: "Pop has a section for them and it does not interfear with the non-smoking guest." He does not say, "did not interfere with me" or "I never noticed it." He asserts that smokers DO NOT interfere with the non-smoking guests. This is not a statement phrased as an opinion, this is a statement presented as fact. There is no hedging here, no room for other experiences. By stating that the non-smoking guest are not bothered by the current smoking areas, this means that those reporting on their recent experiences could not have been bothered by smokers, and therefore negates i.e. calls into question the validity of their testimony. You can argue all you want that this is not how he probably meant it. However, I am basing my concerns actually on what he wrote, a matter of record.

Finally you suggest that by stating "I'm sorry you had such a bad time, but it sounds like you are being a little too critical of this magical place.", the previous poster has implied that another poster's "opinions are invalidated b/c she has unrealistic or unfair expectations".
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Finally, and perhaps the most insulting comment is "In addition, the poster called the OP critical, which is an insult invalidating the OP's experience or ability to give a balanced opinion." To suggest that the previous poster's statement calling the OP critical somehow invalidates the OP's experience or ability to give a balanced opinion is just ridiculous. The previous poster is allowed to give their own opinion and the mere fact that it differs does not detract from nor invalidate the OP's opinion in the slightest.

I've explained over and over again that the poster is very much entitled to his opinion, and I don't know what else I can say to explain to you that my argument is not with his opinion of POP. It's as though you want that to be the issue, so you keep returning to it. But that doesn't make it so. And if what you are saying is that he is entitled to his opinion that the OP is too critical, then you've just failed in your own argument i.e. that in chastising me for what you perceive as my insulting him for his opinion, you're defending his ability to insult the OP's opinion.

And finally, simply by calling my assertion (that calling someone critical invalidates their opinion as valid) ridiculous does not give me any information or clarify/make your point that it doesn't invalidate anothers opinions. Are you trying to state that personally you don't find the words "too critical" to be insulting? Good for you, but the fact that I do find the words to be rude shows you right away that my initial and ENTIRE point is made: how we write things can be interpreted in many different ways, so the onus is on us to be careful how we are construed (or misconstrued) if we want our point to be made as we would wish. I would be happy to hear that the poster did not intend to say that the OP was flat out wrong, or that he would not wish to insult her or others opinions. But I'm afraid very very often that is exactly what a number of posters (esp. regarding POP, for whatever reason) do say, as though someone has just attacked their mother's character.

Either way, I guess I'm a glutton for punishment but I've started to enjoy this exchange. Helped my brain rev up a little better on what was looking to be an otherwise dull, fuzzy day.

P.S. I want to apologize to the OP for jumping to a defense she might not have felt was necessary. I usually try to let people defend themselves if they want to, but I stuck my nose in this time.

P.P.S. Poster - I'm afraid your defender is taking this a great deal harder than I am and than you perceive, and I apologize if you feel I've whipped you with a wet noodle. I simply hoped to call attention to what appeared to be an insult to an otherwise innocent OP and give you the opportunity to paraphrase if you cared to. BTW: love the humor about "mom" :) I can be very proper and lecture-y -- a long standing habit of going into thesis debate mode.
 
And finally, simply by calling my assertion (that calling someone critical invalidates their opinion as valid) ridiculous does not give me any information or clarify/make your point that it doesn't invalidate anothers opinions. Are you trying to state that personally you don't find the words "too critical" to be insulting? Good for you, but the fact that I do find the words to be rude shows you right away that my initial and ENTIRE point is made: how we write things can be interpreted in many different ways, so the onus is on us to be careful how we are construed (or misconstrued) if we want our point to be made as we would wish. I would be happy to hear that the poster did not intend to say that the OP was flat out wrong, or that he would not wish to insult her or others opinions. But I'm afraid very very often that is exactly what a number of posters (esp. regarding POP, for whatever reason) do say, as though someone has just attacked their mother's character.

Either way, I guess I'm a glutton for punishment but I've started to enjoy this exchange. Helped my brain rev up a little better on what was looking to be an otherwise dull, fuzzy day.

I too found myself enjoying this exchange immensely. I was following your train of thought at least, if not your logic, right up until the point you wrote that your ENTIRE point was “how we write things can be interpreted in many different ways, so the onus is on us to be careful how we are construed (or misconstrued) if we want our point to be made as we would wish.” After that statement, it became difficult to seriously entertain the rest of your argument.

I mean really…THAT was your point throughout this whole discourse? The previous poster’s comment to the OP was “it sounds like you are being a little too critical”. It certainly sounded as though you seemed to think he had “just attacked their mother's character”.

By the way, it isn’t just Pop. If you think Pop fans are sensitive, visit a few threads about the notorious pool-hoppers, line jumpers, or mug reusers!

This has certainly provided entertainment on an otherwise boring day of being home with a horrible cold. You should post more often. Thanks for your concern that I’ve been taking this a great deal harder than you. You need not be concerned on that front though, as this has been fun. I enjoy an intelligent debate that doesn‘t dissolve into childish choruses of name calling and where we can each go our own way looking forward to our next opportunity to face off again on other topics.
 
By the way, it isn’t just Pop. If you think Pop fans are sensitive, visit a few threads about the notorious pool-hoppers, line jumpers, or mug reusers!

I hope, too, that she is not "one of those people" who has to use some type of mobility-assisted device, too! If I had thin skin, my feelings would be sooo hurt by people on this board that I would never return. I get tired of reading the complaints/ "opinions" from able-bodied people about people who have to use wheelchairs, ECV's, etc. My DD is a wheelchair user and I get tired of reading some of the posts on this board that are negative towards wheelchair users. But, that's their opinion and most times I just read the post, laugh and move on. :rolleyes1
 

I hope, too, that she is not "one of those people" who has to use some type of mobility-assisted device, too! If I had thin skin, my feelings would be sooo hurt by people on this board that I would never return. I get tired of reading the complaints/ "opinions" from able-bodied people about people who have to use wheelchairs, ECV's, etc. My DD is a wheelchair user and I get tired of reading some of the posts on this board that are negative towards wheelchair users. But, that's their opinion and most times I just read the post, laugh and move on. :rolleyes1

lunapnp, I'm going to admit to something here that makes me sound very childish and shallow. I used to be one of those people that was often irritated at bus stops about having to wait while people in wheelchairs who arrived after me were boarded first. I never said anything stupid or anything at all, for that matter. Still though, it irritated me. Since joining the Dis, (which happens to be my first experience ever with any internet message board), I have learned that those people in wheelchairs may wait MUCH longer than the rest of us to be able to board a bus at all, since each bus will only hold 2. I also first learned from here how difficult many of the rides are for people in wheelchairs. Since then, I have become much more cognizant of those around me in wheelchairs.

The point I'm trying to make is that if you and others like you who actually have first hand experience with the difficulties experienced in your situation, didn't post here, I would still be that misinformed, petulant, shallow person. So I want to thank-you for staying around in spite of idiots like I used to be.
 
Originally posted by Branv
P.P.S. Poster - I'm afraid your defender is taking this a great deal harder than I am and than you perceive, and I apologize if you feel I've whipped you with a wet noodle. I simply hoped to call attention to what appeared to be an insult to an otherwise innocent OP and give you the opportunity to paraphrase if you cared to. BTW: love the humor about "mom" I can be very proper and lecture-y -- a long standing habit of going into thesis debate mode.

Let me try again and see if this goes down more smoothly.

Anyone (especially Branv) who dosen't like Pop Century is a Poopie Head.

I mean a major Poopie Head.

How's that is that better.

I took the high road that time.

Care to debate, you can call me at I81U812.
 
That all being said, I don't think DH could take another stay at POP...mainly due to the sheer number of people staying there. He doesn't like to come back from a long, noisy, crowded day at the park just to "relax" at a noisy, crowded resort.

The last part of your quote sums it all up for our family..... having spent a tiring day at a park the last thing you want is a noisy, crowded resort. That is why we always stay in a villa.......

On a recent trip my younger brother stayed at POP with his family and our parents, we were in a villa. Cost wise it would have been better for them to stay in a villa. I guess they wanted 24/7 Disney!!!!! My parents would have definitely preferred a villa!

Its down to personal choice, but we love to "escape" back to a villa where, bus queues, twee housekeeping, foodhalls, smokers, noise, ECV's, rude people etc etc are clearly not evident.

I appreciate that many people require ECV's for medical reasons but some people use them because they are simply lazy (watch these individuals jump out of them and race for food or a ride! Granted they are the minority) or too obese to walk. I saw several "collisions" by inattentive drivers...and don't get me started on the scourge of MK......strollers, they scare me more than a battalion of Abram tanks! Some parents shuild be banned from using them as they utilise the stroller as some kind of Roman "battering" ram!!! I digress....

Thankfully we all have personal choices to make and POP doesnt get a look in I am afraid................. its like Butlins on Speed!:eek:
 
Originally quoted by Riverside
Its down to personal choice, but we love to "escape" back to a villa where, bus queues, twee housekeeping, foodhalls, smokers, noise, ECV's, rude people etc etc are clearly not evident.

You are so right. When I go to Pop and have to deal with the common handicapped lazy low lifes, I hate it. I don't know why I keep going back. On my last visit there was a midget in an ECV chain smoking and he ran over my foot then burned me with his cigarette. I was so mad. All I was trying to do was to get my breakfast in that jammed packed food court.

And don't get me started when it was time to go on the bus. My God man, I was the only one not in a ECV. I mean, is the whole world riding one of these. I know they were just faking it. Especially that guy who clearly was healthy and could walk. I pushed him out of his chair and said you faker. He fell to the floor and didn't get up. I mean really what a actor.

Also, what is with all the strollers. Disney is not for kids that age. For Goodness sake they won't even remember being there. Leave them home and stay away from my Disney. Children should be kept away from a place that is clearly for adults.

Stay away from Pop. There is nothing, but trash and make believe handicapped smokers pushing rude children in strollers. You will not like it there in the least.

Ta ta for now. Gotta go my limo is waiting to take me to my villa where the civilized folks know how to behave.
 
The last part of your quote sums it all up for our family..... having spent a tiring day at a park the last thing you want is a noisy, crowded resort. That is why we always stay in a villa.......

On a recent trip my younger brother stayed at POP with his family and our parents, we were in a villa. Cost wise it would have been better for them to stay in a villa. I guess they wanted 24/7 Disney!!!!! My parents would have definitely preferred a villa!

Its down to personal choice, but we love to "escape" back to a villa where, bus queues, twee housekeeping, foodhalls, smokers, noise, ECV's, rude people etc etc are clearly not evident.

I appreciate that many people require ECV's for medical reasons but some people use them because they are simply lazy (watch these individuals jump out of them and race for food or a ride! Granted they are the minority) or too obese to walk. I saw several "collisions" by inattentive drivers...and don't get me started on the scourge of MK......strollers, they scare me more than a battalion of Abram tanks! Some parents shuild be banned from using them as they utilise the stroller as some kind of Roman "battering" ram!!! I digress....

Thankfully we all have personal choices to make and POP doesnt get a look in I am afraid................. its like Butlins on Speed!:eek:


You have never stayed at Pop but you you feel the need to complain about it. This is what I don't get. How can you complain about a place you have never stayed.
 
You have never stayed at Pop but you you feel the need to compalin about it. This is what I don't get. How can you complain about a place you have never stayed.

It's like the people who write reviews on allears.net about the new dining plan that has not even started yet:confused3

It's too bad how this post ended up:sad2:
 
You have never stayed at Pop but you you feel the need to complain about it. This is what I don't get. How can you complain about a place you have never stayed.

Oh I didnt realise you had to stay there to have an opinion......different from some others I accept..... but as this is a forum I mistakingly thought we could offer opinions. I must be mistaken.

stemikger; Whilst you are in your "imaginary" limo, take a moment to chill out.
If you love POP, then good luck to you. I accept that it rings your bell. Personally, it does nothing for me, but please don't burn me at the stake for having a different opinion.
I wasnt implying that it is occupied by "handicapped lowlifes" that was your terminology not mine.
Strollers are fine if used correctly, not as an aid to plough a path through a crowd.............please don't generalise as I don't, its the few irritating individuals that cause the problems.

I thought Disney was for all ages...............:cheer2:
 
I appreciate that many people require ECV's for medical reasons but some people use them because they are simply lazy (watch these individuals jump out of them and race for food or a ride! Granted they are the minority) or too obese to walk. I saw several "collisions" by inattentive drivers...and don't get me started on the scourge of MK......strollers, they scare me more than a battalion of Abram tanks! Some parents shuild be banned from using them as they utilise the stroller as some kind of Roman "battering" ram!!! I digress....

Thankfully we all have personal choices to make and POP doesnt get a look in I am afraid................. its like Butlins on Speed!:eek:

First of all I must say it is blantant comments like yours that has gotten many a thread locked.

The mods may very well give you points against you for those comments.

If you get enough points you will be banned from the DIS.

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If someone is using a ECV at Disney just because they are lazy I think they would find out after the first day the EVC's are very inconvenient especially at Disney.
Those of us using an EVC seem to become "invisible" since able bodied guests are crossing in front of us, stopping in front of us and never seem to see us until it is time for us to load onto a bus. When we are loading onto a bus that is when we become very visible.
It is very hard to drive an EVC in the crowds in the parks.
It is not easy backing up an EVC onto the bus lift and maneuvering the EVC into the tie down is very difficult. I highly doubt "lazy" people would submit themselves to that for long.
Also EVC rental is quite expensive. My EVC cost over $200 to rent for one week. Most "lazy"people would rather spend the money on other things.
The EVC's that are loaded onto the buses are either privately owned or are rented from an offsite company.
I doubt that "lazy" people would think ahead enough to preorder an EVC from an offsite company.

So please wake up.
Sure there may be a few people who use EVC's because they are lazy but I am betting they learn quickly it not easy or fun to use an EVC at WDW.
I know I wish I did not need to use one but without an EVC WDW would be inaccessible to me.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Originally quoted by Riverside
stemikger; Whilst you are in your "imaginary" limo, take a moment to chill out.
If you love POP, then good luck to you. I accept that it rings your bell. Personally, it does nothing for me, but please don't burn me at the stake for having a different opinion.
I wasnt implying that it is occupied by "handicapped lowlifes" that was your terminology not mine.
Strollers are fine if used correctly, not as an aid to plough a path through a crowd.............please don't generalise as I don't, its the few irritating individuals that cause the problems.

I wasn't burning you. I agree with you. I will use this analogy. Pop Century is like the bottom of the Titanic and the Villas are like the upper deck. It really is a shame that the people on the upper deck had to go down with the ship, but the people on the bottom deck, well, most of them won't be missed. Half of them didn't even belong in the country. So while, you may think I am condeming you, I am one of the elite like yourself.

It's a shame, that there is that awful element in Disney, but if we stay away from places like Pop and those awful food halls, we won't have to see them that much. If I could I would lock them away just like they did on the bottom deck of the Titanic so they had to stay there to drown like rats.

Now let's go and drink some fine champagne and go back to our villa retreat.

LOL.

Hey man, I'm just having fun, but your post did make you sound like a snob.
 
I cant believe this thread! I stayed in Pop and OK we had problems and I wasnt keen on the crowds, but hey ho, lots of people didnt have the problems we did and others liked the crowds and 'buzz' - we didnt. I talked to people who liked and those who didnt. I just wasnt one of those who was awestruck by the resort.
But, its like other experiences in Disney. I dont like Boma (tried it twice in case I had got it wrong first time) and am not struck on the Magic Kingdom. Our likes and experiences are all different but no one should criticise Pop unless they have tried the resort. As for strollers and ECVs, my kids were in strollers once and I have friends who use ECVs so no matter how long the line is, I am always tolerant of wheelchair guests and young kids.
Villas have drawbacks too. There may be the space but as many have said before there often isnt the incentive to go out and back to Disney in the evening when staying in a villa (if you have returned for a break). I can escape to my hotel, rest for an hour and Im ready to go again.
I dont think there is one bad Disney hotel, just a wide range of likes, dislikes and experiences.

Maggs
 
Originally quoted by Minnie61650
If someone is using a ECV at Disney just because they are lazy I think they would find out after the first day the EVC's are very inconvenient especially at Disney.
Those of us using an EVC seem to become "invisible" since able bodied guests are crossing in front of us, stopping in front of us and never seem to see us until it is time for us to load onto a bus. When we are loading onto a bus that is when we become very visible.
It is very hard to drive an EVC in the crowds in the parks.
It is not easy backing up an EVC onto the bus lift and maneuvering the EVC into the tie down is very difficult. I highly doubt "lazy" people would submit themselves to that for long.
Also EVC rental is quite expensive. My EVC cost over $200 to rent for one week. Most "lazy"people would rather spend the money on other things.
The EVC's that are loaded onto the buses are either privately owned or are rented from an offsite company.
I doubt that "lazy" people would think ahead enough to preorder an EVC from an offsite company.

So please wake up.
Sure there may be a few people who use EVC's because they are lazy but I am betting they learn quickly it not easy or fun to use an EVC at WDW.
I know I wish I did not need to use one but without an EVC WDW would be inaccessible to me.

Just my 2 cents.

I couldn't have agreed more. When I see people in the EVCs, I just feel bad, because it is clearly not easy to get around in tight spaces. If any able bodied person in their right mind rides one, just to be lazy, they will soon realize that it is not worth it.

I for one thank God, I am able bodied, and I would never feel like they are an inconvience if I have to wait for a bus. There but for the grace of God goes I.
 
Oh I didnt realise you had to stay there to have an opinion......different from some others I accept..... but as this is a forum I mistakingly thought we could offer opinions. I must be mistaken.


If you have never stayed there what exactly would your opinion be based on?

My point was how do you complain about something without actually trying it.
 
We just got back on sunday. and we HATED POP!! It wasn't the room - which was small or the housekeeping which was good.

but the walk to our room was a hike - a terrible hike after a hot exhausting day at the park. The food court was too small, not enough tables and TOO MANY PEOPLE - IT WAS UTTER CHAOS (the food was good)

This place was just too chaotic for us. We will return to Coronado Springs from now on. We obviously learned we are much calmer people and like less intrusion. UGH!
 
We just got back on sunday. and we HATED POP!! It wasn't the room - which was small or the housekeeping which was good.

but the walk to our room was a hike - a terrible hike after a hot exhausting day at the park. The food court was too small, not enough tables and TOO MANY PEOPLE - IT WAS UTTER CHAOS (the food was good)

This place was just too chaotic for us. We will return to Coronado Springs from now on. We obviously learned we are much calmer people and like less intrusion. UGH!


This I can understand, you tried it and formed an opinion base don your experiences. Not every resort is for everyone.
 
Originally quoted by julm26
We just got back on sunday. and we HATED POP!! It wasn't the room - which was small or the housekeeping which was good.

but the walk to our room was a hike - a terrible hike after a hot exhausting day at the park. The food court was too small, not enough tables and TOO MANY PEOPLE - IT WAS UTTER CHAOS (the food was good)

This place was just too chaotic for us. We will return to Coronado Springs from now on. We obviously learned we are much calmer people and like less intrusion. UGH!

Julm26 you are not allowed to dislike Pop. Say your sorry. You can not return to Coronado Springs until you return to Pop for three more visits. Now take back everything you said about Pop. You are not allowed to dislike my favoriate resort.

Just ask Branv. She is now on board, and she is not allowed to debate anyone ever again (she dosen't make much sense anyway). I have the power to do these things so you better be nice to Pop.

That is all.
 
Why hasn't this thread been closed yet or people been given points? OH, YES, that's right, *some of us get points for being "sarcastic and argumentative" but others get a pass (don't mind me, folks, I'm just venting). :rotfl:

*You're not paranoid, sometimes they really ARE after you....ooops, I hope I don't get points for that!
 
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