just back/ about smoking

[paults]

when we checked into BWV Sat 24, I asked about having a non-smoking room. The CM, who seemed to know a good deal of what is going on said that since our room was BWview there were no smoking rooms on that side anymore. I asked where they were and he got out the map we get when we check in and showed me that some of the rooms at the far end of the hall in the yellow section are now the smoking rooms, no where else.
This is what I was told so "don't shoot the messenger" please.

( that's a long walk for smokers )

I'll post more about trip later.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by paults
This is what I was told so "don't shoot the messenger" please.

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[BWVDee]

Originally posted by paults
when we checked into BWV Sat 24, I asked about having a non-smoking room. The CM, who seemed to know a good deal of what is going on said that since our room was BWview there were no smoking rooms on that side anymore. I asked where they were and he got out the map we get when we check in and showed me that some of the rooms at the far end of the hall in the yellow section are now the smoking rooms, no where else.
This is what I was told so "don't shoot the messenger" please.

( that's a long walk for smokers )

I'll post more about trip later.

I have been told the same thing. I also do not want to be flamed, but I have to voice my opinion and say this is not right. Smokers are just as much DVC members as anyone else and are still required to pay the same amount of pts for a villa. To delegate the villas with the less desirable location/view as the only smoking villas, is not right. There shoud be some villas in each location of the BWV that are both smoking and non smoking. Unfortunately all this is going to do is have people either smoking in non smoking rooms (most times with CM sanction) or smoking on the balconies and thus get the non smoking villa guests all twisted.
Personally I think this was a very bad judgement call on the part of BWV's management, when they changed the allocation of smoking and non smoking rooms. It is something that is not going to work and also something that if enough DVC members that are smokers complain about will most probably end up being changed anyway, and has just caused bad PR between members and DVC.

 

[CarolMN]

BWVDee - Even though I kind of agree with you, I would be happy to see the complete elimination of smoking inside the DVC resorts (along with a cleaning charge to the scoflaws). More and more studies are showing that second hand smoke is more dangerous than smoking itself!

That said, I do not think DVC will ever declare the DVC resorts entirely smoke free unless the federal government or the state of Florida passes a law mandating it. I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that DVC might run into some legal problems. After all, the resorts were not sold as "smoke free".

Does anyone know of any lawsuits or similar situations at other time share resorts? Just curious.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

I think that because the nature of Disney being a family resort smoking is a negative. I don't see anything wrong with making all the rooms non smoking. The smell and what happens to the room when someone smokes in it should be taken into consideration. Replacing the yellowed furniture and re painting the the walls (more frequently) is something I feel should not be in our maintenance costs. Flame me if you must but this is just my opinion. I would love to see all the resorts go non smoking.

 

[BWVDee]

Originally posted by CarolMN
BWVDee - Even though I kind of agree with you, I would be happy to see the complete elimination of smoking inside the DVC resorts (along with a cleaning charge to the scoflaws). More and more studies are showing that second hand smoke is more dangerous than smoking itself!

That said, I do not think DVC will ever declare the DVC resorts entirely smoke free unless the federal government or the state of Florida passes a law mandating it. I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that DVC might run into some legal problems. After all, the resorts were not sold as "smoke free".

Does anyone know of any lawsuits or similar situations at other time share resorts? Just curious.

I also have points regarding this subject that I totally agree with you. My goodness, sue happy people, that are also obese, are winning law suits against fast food establishments because they voluntarily went into the fast food establishment and bought and consumned the very fat and calorie laden food!!!!!
In my opinion there are way, way too many legal loopholes in this scene to make it ever fly. And like I said before, I do not feel as though in a legal, ethical or correct way, it should fly. "If it ain't fittin; it just ain't fittin"
Above quote courtesy of the Margaret Mitchell novel and subsequent movie: "Gone With The Wind".

I honestly feel the discontinuation of smoking rooms for someone that is a smoker and owns a valid and legally binding DVC contract, that was purchased with no mention of any smoking distinction/discrimination in any of the legal documents before the contract was binding-----has a far more valid case for a law suit than someone that got to be severely obese from overeating fast food junk!
Just my opinion and feelings. YMMV.

 

[Terry S]

I think they put the smoking rooms down at the end of a hallway so that people didn't have to walk through the smoking rooms area to get to thier non smoking rooms. I don't think it has anything to do with room views. If the end of the hall happend to be the best room view, that would be the smoking rooms. JMO. I know they did that at BCV. One entire hallway is Smoking on the 4th floor it is the bottom section of the "Y" in the building. There are no non-smoking rooms there. Half of these rooms just happen to have an illuminations view.

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
I think that because the nature of Disney being a family resort smoking is a negative. I don't see anything wrong with making all the rooms non smoking. The smell and what happens to the room when someone smokes in it should be taken into consideration. Replacing the yellowed furniture and re painting the the walls (more frequently) is something I feel should not be in our maintenance costs. Flame me if you must but this is just my opinion. I would love to see all the resorts go non smoking.

Rooms inhabited by families with children also see a lot wear and tear and require rehab a lot too. Many families do smoke, btw.
And, btw, it is also advertised as the number 1 vacation destination, for empty nesters, honeymooners, gays, straights, singles, college students, etc. If it is touted as family only, then I suggest they ban alcohol too and swearing and flimsy non clothes,public displays of affection and the list goes on and on.
I see a lot wrong with making them smoke free. If you don't like the smell of smoke, then do not book a smoking unit. Seems pretty simple to me. I don't like paying for a slide, but, that seems to be something WE ALL WILL BE PAYING, so, grin and bear the charge for rehabbing a unit that is smoked in.

 

[jaysue]

As a non-smoker, I appreciate where DVC has grouped the smoking rooms together and they are at the end of a hall or extension or area - this way, we do not have pass by smoking areas on the way to our non-smoking room.

Sure there are people who are eating too much of the wrong food - their habit does not impose external costs on the environment like smoking does with 2nd hand smoke.

cheers
jaysue

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by jaysue
Sure there are people who are eating too much of the wrong food - their habit does not impose external costs on the environment like smoking does with 2nd hand smoke.

..........I agree 100% with jaysue's post above.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
Rooms inhabited by families with children also see a lot wear and tear and require rehab a lot too. Many families do smoke, btw.
And, btw, it is also advertised as the number 1 vacation destination, for empty nesters, honeymooners, gays, straights, singles, college students, etc. If it is touted as family only, then I suggest they ban alcohol too and swearing and flimsy non clothes,public displays of affection and the list goes on and on.
I see a lot wrong with making them smoke free. If you don't like the smell of smoke, then do not book a smoking unit. Seems pretty simple to me. I don't like paying for a slide, but, that seems to be something WE ALL WILL BE PAYING, so, grin and bear the charge for rehabbing a unit that is smoked in.

Maint may not go down but the money could be spent elsewhere. I just think smoking is a choice and a very harmful one at that. I would never support it to be PC or because it will deny someone a freedom. So we are off topic and have to agree to disagree. I just will not support something that kills. AND if I could be guarannteed a non smoking room for the next 50 years at DVC I would be grateful but that is wishful think. We should never be exposed to something that is killing people because it is someone's right to do so. But I am sorry for going off topic.

I personally would enjoy if WDW would go smoke free it has been a blessing here in NY.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by GAIL HAYDEN
If you don't like the smell of smoke, then do not book a smoking unit. Seems pretty simple to me.

Gail
What about the person that books 11 months out,"non-smoking", and gets stuck with a

villa?
That doesn't seem pretty simple to me.

 

[Dean]

I don't have any problems with DVC, or hotels in generaal, having smoking and non smoking rooms. I do appreciate when they group them in such a way as for non smokers not to have to trek thorugh the smoke to get to a non smoking room. We certainly could debate the comparisons of smoking, over eating, various amenities and what percent of members use that option, etc.

OTOH, I think it's criminal for anyone to smoke in a non smoking room, even on the balcony, or in non smoking areas in general. As I said before, any CM that tells a guest it's OK should be fired on the spot. DVC should book the smoking and non smoking rooms directly. In my case, I'd rather not go than get a smoking room no matter how much they "treated it".

And the political climate in FL would suggest that it's possible the legislature could impose non smoking in hotels or that the citizens could petitition to put it on the ballot where it would be likely to pass.

We do all pay for a group of amenties and likely no ones uses all of them. So we all pay for things we don't use. The question is where to draw the line considering the costs involved and the percent of members that do use each option.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by Dean
And the political climate in FL would suggest that it's possible the legislature could impose non smoking in hotels or that the citizens could petitition to put it on the ballot where it would be likely to pass.

Gail
Thats exactly what I am referring to what Dean posted above. That will overide anything in our DVC contract.

 

[tinkerbee]

As a non-smoker, I appreciate where DVC has grouped the smoking rooms together and they are at the end of a hall or extension or area - this way, we do not have pass by smoking areas on the way to our non-smoking room.

Sure there are people who are eating too much of the wrong food - their habit does not impose external costs on the environment like smoking does with 2nd hand smoke.


I think it is a good idea also to put the non smoking room and smoking rooms together but I don't think it has much to do with making sure non smokers don't smell smoke. More inlikely it has to do with fire codes in some way.

And as for external costs on the environment....Do you drive a car? Work in a factory that produces tons of leathal gases every year that you also breath in? Not recycle? The list could go on for days. Yes smoking is very bad for your health but people choose to do so. Smoking in the parks is down to small areas(good) but to take away rooms is a little far out there. Because if you do that more inlikely smokers would be standing outside lobby doors.
Wouldn't that look nice?

 

[Richyams]

I don't care where they put the smoking rooms, we don't smoke in our house, we wouldn't smoke in the room. We always request 'no preference' or 'non-smoking'. That is what balconies were made for.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by tinkerbee
Sure there are people who are eating too much of the wrong food - their habit does not impose external costs on the environment like smoking does with 2nd hand smoke.


I think it is a good idea also to put the non smoking room and smoking rooms together but I don't think it has much to do with making sure non smokers don't smell smoke. More inlikely it has to do with fire codes in some way.

And as for external costs on the environment....Do you drive a car? Work in a factory that produces tons of leathal gases every year that you also breath in? Not recycle? The list could go on for days. Yes smoking is very bad for your health but people choose to do so. Smoking in the parks is down to small areas(good) but to take away rooms is a little far out there. Because if you do that more inlikely smokers would be standing outside lobby doors.
Wouldn't that look nice?

Yes but alot of those things are out of our immediate control. Smoking is a choice. If Disney choses to go nonsmoking I will applaud it. I do not want my son to grow up with it still being a permitted choice. If more adults would admonish it (rather then be on the fence for wanting to PC about it) then maybe our kids would see it as being vile as well. Disney should take a stand against smoking in their resorts IMO.

 

[Chuck S]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
Yes but alot of those things are out of our immediate control. Smoking is a choice. If Disney choses to go nonsmoking I will applaud it. I do not want my son to grow up with it still being a permitted choice. If more adults would admonish it (rather then be on the fence for wanting to PC about it) then maybe our kids would see it as being vile as well. Disney should take a stand against smoking in their resorts IMO.

1) Knowing that smoking is permitted in some rooms at DVC resorts, we all had a choice to purchase or not.

2) If Florida or Orange County passes a no smoking in hotel room law, it may -or- may not apply to DVC accomodations, DVC is legally a timeshare, not a hotel.

3) If Disney unilaterally banned smoking in all on site accomodations, what would be the financial fallout of smokers, many of them international tourists, staying off-site to be able to smoke?

As long as cigarettes are available legally to adults, then I think Disney should have some smoking rooms to accomodate smokers. If on the other hand, sale of tobacco products became illegal nationwide, or even on a statewide basis, then that would solve the problem, wouldn't it? Maybe, just maybe, we should stop relying heavily on cigarette taxes as a cure-all for states financial woes, then it would be easier to simply ban tobacco products. As it is, states are being quite hypocritical. Here in Texas, the latest school finance reform scheme is to reduce property taxes, but increase sin taxes. Cigarette taxes would increase by $1 per pack, strip clubs patrons would pay $5 tax per visit. Hmmm...strip clubs financing schools, maybe we should welcome them building in our neighborhoods, along with advocating smoking. You can't have it both ways.

 

[3DisneyNUTS]

Chuck that is true....We do rely on it and it is scary since the people who are really suffering from smoking are the smokers and those immediately around them But you have a good point. I haven't thought of it that way, smokers do pay an insane amount of taxes just that alone should afford them some space. So you have shown me another side thanks. But I wish for the health of the smokers both physically and finacially and for second handers they would stop. A few of my family memebrs have passed due to this drug and others are suffering from it now It is an ugly addiction that is for sure.

 

[Chuck S]

For the record, I was never a "heavy smoker", and I simply decided to stop years ago...I personally had no problems. I have only a few friends that smoke an occasional cigar (yuck), so my viewpoint is not one of a current smoker. I love that Diseny Restaurants are non-smoking, and that the parks have designated areas, but I would hate to see smoking banned completely as long as it is "legal".