June UY what are you doing???

[Sandisw]

Again, they could be negotiating with RCI on this with contigency plans in place. Of COURSE it would be complicated, but it is still something that could be done.

You just keep saying that you don't see how they could say anything at this point. I'm saying that there are possibilities that could be considered.

Heck, at this point, I'd just appreciate a note from them that said: "Hey, June UY people, we know you are stuck right now and our CMs are recommending that you move points to RCI as the only option available to not lose them right now. That still seems like the best option. If we make changes in the future where you'd have been better off to just let them expire, we'll consider options to try to resolve that." Just SOMETHING of that sort would be "something they could possibly say before they know when the resorts will reopen."

That's mainly what I'm saying here. That I disagree with your repeated statements that there is basically nothing that could say. That just isn't true.



And I disagree with that point. My point is that they certainly could say things to people making that last-minute decision right now. Even if it isn't a final "answer" or "decision."

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We will agree than to disagree on that point, Telling June UY people it’s safe to move but will be allowed to move back IS a decision.

Depending on how long this lasts because in a few months, Aug UY will be in the same boat,

If they had something they could offer folks now, I believe they would. If they could tell you that, they would,

The fact that they have not means to me that they can’t guarantee that can happen.

I guess they could update the announcement to say, we still have nothing new to report,

 

[JohnGypsy]

We will agree than to disagree on that point, Telling June UY people it’s safe to move but will be allowed to move back IS a decision.

That isn't what I said actually. I still maintain that there are things they could say without making a decision.

If they had something they could offer folks now, I believe they would. If they could tell you that, they would,

The fact that they have not means to me that they can’t guarantee that can happen.

I guess they could update the announcement to say, we still have nothing new to report,

There is plenty they could say without "guaranteeing" anything. And there is plenty they could say besides "we have nothing new", as I tried to explain above. Apparently, unsuccessfully.

But, yes, let's agree to disagree. I don't like people putting words in my mouth, so I'll just end this here.

-John

 

[Sandisw]

They could say something along the lines of: "We cannot make any determinations about lost points for people with an April or June UY until we know when the parks and resorts will reopen. However, we have made arrangements with RCI to do a temporary hold of points transferred there during this period. So, you may safely transfer any points you are about to lose to RCI and, if a solution is found that you would prefer once we know the whole situation down the road, you may pull back those points from RCI and use them for that new solution."

THAT is what they could do since you keep asking. Again, I'm not real upset here. I don't personally have a lot of points to lose. But, we made the transfer last night to RCI because we have a June UY. If DVC announces something different in a week, then that will be very frustrating, of course.

But, yes, there ARE things that DVCM could do and/or say NOW even without knowing resort re-opening dates.

Right now, if you are June UY and have points that are going to expire and call DVC, the CM basically suggests that RCI is your only real option at this point. And, I agree that is fairly accurate right now. But, as you said, they HAVE said that they will look into options once they know more about parks reopening. Well, it will be too late by then, of course.

So, again, these are things that they could do and say now to help with this. They could talk to RCI and come up with a temporary agreement about points. Do an "RCI Hold" of some sort. Something so that people don't have to make a decision that is basically just a gamble. They could tell us if they are even considering allowing extended banking based on the parks opening on June 1st, July 1st, or August 1st, for example. They MUST be considering timelines internally. They don't have to wait until they know for certain when the parks and resorts are going to reopen to at least provide additional insight on what MIGHT happen based on opening dates. They could take action with a temporary new agreement with RCI about "holding" DVC->RCI points.

There ARE options that they could consider. There ARE things that they "could possibly say" even when they don't know the resorts reopening dates.

Your first example said they could announce it would be safe to move, and if you wanted to pull back later you would be allowed to,
If a solution was found.
But, I apologize if I misunderstood that Quote.

 

[JohnGypsy]

I was giving an EXAMPLE of something that could be said if they looked into it. It was an example of something that they could say -- to at least let people know that if alternative answers present themselves later, that those who moved to RCI would not necessarily be punished -- that they would at least consider that in their decision making. That example was based on them making an agreement with RCI, yes. It was just an example.

Again, I think that there are things that could be said. I think the idea that there just isn't anything, as you've suggested more than once now, isn't necessarily accurate.

 

[JohnGypsy]

That isn't what I said actually. I still maintain that there are things they could say without making a decision.

Now that I re-read my reply, I realize that I caused confusion. My apologies.

I was discussing two different things along this discussion. One, was an example of them making an agreement with RCI or something to at least give us an "out" for people stuck right now. I still maintain that this could be done and hope that work like this (in some form or another) is in the works.

The other was a discussion about them at least saying SOMETHING even if there was no hard decision made. The example for that part of the discussion was just them saying that, for now, the move to RCI is the only option and they will continue to look into options that wouldn't punish those who did that IF something else comes up as an option later.

It was two different things. Sorry for the confusion there.

 

[Sandisw]

I was giving an EXAMPLE of something that could be said if they looked into it. It was an example of something that they could say -- to at least let people know that if alternative answers present themselves later, that those who moved to RCI would not necessarily be punished -- that they would at least consider that in their decision making. That example was based on them making an agreement with RCI, yes. It was just an example.

Again, I think that there are things that could be said. I think the idea that there just isn't anything, as you've suggested more than once now, isn't necessarily accurate.

I know it was an example, I was apologizing because you said I put words in your mouth when I summarized your example,

If I had misquoted you, it wasn’t intentional, and wanted you to know that it wasn’t,

We agree...they could continue to update more often. I still believe no news is better because it tells me they are trying,

 

[JohnGypsy]

Agreed. (Make sure you didn't miss my same-time post there where I apologized for the confusion. )

Thanks.

 

[Marymom]

I have 84 points on the line with a June use year. I have reservations mid-may that is still on the books. Disney has not canceled our booking. I live in Florida and will go if I am allowed. I have mentally written off the points. If I can go, great! If I get something for my loss, great! It's a weird situation and I don't know what the equitable solution could/should be.

 

[graychef]

I transferred my 220 points to RCI today. Lost four in the transfer. Was scheduled for a May 8 arrival using June 2019 points. Oh well.

 

[Soltylar]

Destined to lose 200 points and was flying from the UK with Virgin in June. We’re new owners and this was only our second trip on points. Virgin was touch and go about rescheduling the flight but eventually we got free rescheduling. Also booked Cirque tickets that they, until today, were not refunding. So...it’s a mess.

Dont get me wrong-neither of us have corona, we’re both alive so things could be tons worse but it’s frustrating and upsetting that we’ll lose those points in year 2 of our DVC life.

Services are always cheaper to offer than cash so maybe Disney could offer free dining on our next DVC trip? That would cost them less than the perceived value and it would save us more than our dues...

 

[Cindyandjp]

We transferred our June use year pts over the weekend to RCI. Transferred 90 pts. No fee. Honestly the way I look at it, if Disney had stayed open we still would have cancelled because our flight was cancelled on us and we are too far to drive. Plus, I would not have felt comfortable traveling. So, if I look at it that way I feel like at least I am able to transfer to RCI rather than lose them altogether.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

With all due respect, Aug UY owners did have a tough choice to make. They had to cancel a trip during a time when resorts might be open to bank or take a risk,

You may not see it that way, but it was something that had to be decided,
This month, it is Sept UY faced with the same choice because their has been no change to the banking deadlines,

Again, we all feel bad that the timing of the shut down is hitting those with April and June UY hard, But, no matter when a shut down happens in the year, some UY would be at risk,

At least June UY people have the ability to go to RCI, which April did not, Not the best choice..,some dont view it as a choice at all...but it is something,

No act on DVCMs part, other than allowing all points to be banked forward, including late banking, will save all points,

That certainly could happen, but given that we won’t know that until a resort opening date is announced, ALL DVC owners are forced to evaluate things differently,

What any August UY had the time to do if they did not want to cancel a reservation was to rebook with borrowed points and bank the current points. Since borrowed points fall into the one class being given an exception it would have allowed the August UY's to keep the reservation and still not be at risk.

 

[Brian Noble]

because I haven't seen anything at the caliber of DVC (I've been spoiled) I just can't pull the plug.

I’ve been on many vacations via RCI. Some have been better than others but all have had something about them that made them memorable and worth taking. If you go into it with an open mind, you can really enjoy yourself! Hiking in the Rocky Mountains, seeing the rocks of Sedona, spending a peaceful week on a lovely remote lake, or exploring another Hawaiian island beyond Oahu and Aulani. I would not ordinarily recommend that DVC owners deposit. Usually renting out your points and using the cash for the vacation you want is a better deal. But these aren’t ordinary times, and this is a way to make lemonade. At the very worst, you’ll have a funny family memory: “Remember that ‘vacation’ at Mugwump Sawmp!?!?”

 

[Sandisw]

What any August UY had the time to do if they did not want to cancel a reservation was to rebook with borrowed points and bank the current points. Since borrowed points fall into the one class being given an exception it would have allowed the August UY's to keep the reservation and still not be at risk.

Not if the rules change. No guarantee. So, members are still making some hard choices with this situation

Yes, certain owners who had trips in the last 4 months of UY are losing the most, but many owners are dealing with this Too. .

 

[FSUSammy]

I’ve been on many vacations via RCI. Some have been better than others but all have had something about them that made them memorable and worth taking. If you go into it with an open mind, you can really enjoy yourself! Hiking in the Rocky Mountains, seeing the rocks of Sedona, spending a peaceful week on a lovely remote lake, or exploring another Hawaiian island beyond Oahu and Aulani. I would not ordinarily recommend that DVC owners deposit. Usually renting out your points and using the cash for the vacation you want is a better deal. But these aren’t ordinary times, and this is a way to make lemonade. At the very worst, you’ll have a funny family memory: “Remember that ‘vacation’ at Mugwump Sawmp!?!?”

I just would hate to move 90 points and not get anything even mediocre. We are limited on when we can travel since our oldest is in middle school so the times when we can even go we maybe can get one night in a room which seems like a total waste. I’m heavily leaning towards taking my chance and seeing what DVC does. I’m not pissed at them if these 90 points go to waste either because life is obviously more important. Sucks but it is what it is and there are far more worse things in life to be pissed about.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

That isn't what I said actually. I still maintain that there are things they could say without making a decision.



There is plenty they could say without "guaranteeing" anything. And there is plenty they could say besides "we have nothing new", as I tried to explain above. Apparently, unsuccessfully.

But, yes, let's agree to disagree. I don't like people putting words in my mouth, so I'll just end this here.

-John

I'm not sure what DVC would be able to say that would satisfy those parameters. DVC still doesn't know the extent of the "damage" because they don't know when the resorts will reopen. It would be like an insurance company trying to assess the total damage to your house in the middle of the hurricane. It's not possible because the hurricane isn't done causing damage yet. Similarly, DVC doesn't know what they can or can't do yet because they don't know the full extent of the damage. They can't say with 100% assurance that they will take care of all DVC point loss because that may not be possible. I do, however, have 100% faith that they will announce their plans once they know the full extent of the point loss. Here is an article that sums up the position DVC is in nicely:
https://dvcnews.com/other-resources/feature-articles/4734-disney-vacation-club-s-covid-19-dilemma
Do you want DVC to say "we will do everything we can"? What would that statement matter? We already know they are going to do everything they can. There isn't a conspiracy going on here. It's just an unfortunate situation.

 

[carli_h]

After a lengthy discussion we have decided not to put our points in RCI today.

We know it’s a risk but DVC has not yet cancelled our reservation in May. Our flights haven't been cancelled either and we cannot get a full refund on these unless they are cancelled. With our 14 day passes we are financially committed to going if by some miracle the hotels and parks open.

I would like to think DVC would do something, but who knows. At least we have made a decision!

 

[Yinn]

After a lengthy discussion we have decided not to put our points in RCI today.

We know it’s a risk but DVC has not yet cancelled our reservation in May. Our flights haven't been cancelled either and we cannot get a full refund on these unless they are cancelled. With our 14 day passes we are financially committed to going if by some miracle the hotels and parks open.

I would like to think DVC would do something, but who knows. At least we have made a decision!

I will either see you there as we celebrate the low lines. Or see you here as we cry together about lost points.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

And I booked May 17-23 yesterday. Same thing. They cancelled my Easter trip so I rolls the dice and takes my chances. I have no desire to deposit in RCI. Hopefully, we'll all see each other at Gurgling Suitcase and I'll buy the first round. And be damned happy to do so, parks or no parks. Here's to a drink together in a month.

 

[Coloradomom]

Another June use year with a May trip who did not bank with RCI. Hubby and I are hopeful Disney does something, anything. Just don’t see the appeal of RCI. Guess we are just spoiled by DVC. Thinking good thoughts...in lots of ways right now. May we all get past this and back to our “new normal” lives whatever that may be. And I hope in October that I am sitting by the High Rock pool at SSR just taking it all in!