Judge rules on Segway Fairness settlement

[Expert_Glider]

Thank you

But, both of those things would put Disney out of compliance with the ADA, so they are between a rock and a hard place.
If they allow them in as a mobility device, they have to allow them in for anyone who says they need one as a mobility device.
And, the ADA says they can't subject people to needing to prove proficiency of their equipment as a condition of bringing it in.

So, it still boils down to, if Disney allows any in, they have to allow all in (unless they end up with some sort of agreement to settle a lawsuit that allows that, but I would expect people who did not want those 'rules' would sue).

Sue,

You cannot have things both ways. Either Segways are not allowed under any conditions, or maybe they are.....(ADA)...

 

[SueM in MN]

Sue,

You cannot have things both ways. Either Segways are not allowed under any conditions, or maybe they are.....(ADA)...

I know that, but if they do allow them to be used for mobility, there are those (as you know full well) who will make the claim thst they are mobility devices when used by someone with a disability.
So, yes, I would say it would be both ways (if they are allowed)

 

[Expert_Glider]

I get it...please believe me...I really do "get it".

 

[KYMickey]

I understand your position....but if you could use a Segway, I believe you might have a different perspective.

Prior to my disability I have used one and while I did very well controlling and maneuvering it I certainly do not believe they should be used regularly in a crowded area. They're great for covering distances and I certainly agree there are a great means of transportation and I see why Disney uses them for a limited number of managers. They certainly do not need to let people lose with them inside the Parks no matter how limited the number is. Anyone who is truly handicapped appreciates the mobility they have, they really don't care how they get there as long as they can.

 

[Disneyadore]

Well I guess that if Disney allows segways we better be prepared to see things like this.

 

[MartinaC]

KYMICKEY
By the way as a point of reference I am disabled and use an electrical wheelchair to get around.[/QUOTE]

I have a question? Why do you use an electrical wheelchair? One that does not have the electric option would be much safer in crowds. You can control the speed much easier and I think it is a reasonable accomadation don't you?

My point still remains people should not try to hold back progress. If people did you would not have your electrical wheelchair to get around. Which would add lots of travel time to your day.

 

[Cheshire Figment]

I have a question? Why do you use an electrical wheelchair? One that does not have the electric option would be much safer in crowds. You can control the speed much easier and I think it is a reasonable accommodation don't you?

My point still remains people should not try to hold back progress. If people did you would not have your electrical wheelchair to get around. Which would add lots of travel time to your day.

Jumping in here. There are many reasons why a person cannot use a manual wheelchair but can use a power chair.

A person may not have the upper body strength to propel the chair. A person may have only one arm and you definitely need two functioning arms (with hands to grip the wheels) to propel a standard wheelchair. A power chair can be controlled by one (incomplete) hand moving a joy stick.

 

[Abagpiper5]

Well I guess that if Disney allows segways we better be prepared to see things like this.

Oh my, that is too funny.
I am still on the side of No Segways at Disney.

 

[SueM in MN]

Well I guess that if Disney allows segways we better be prepared to see things like this.

She apparently did not read the safety manual (and that actually looks pretty uncomfortable) LOL

 

[melancholywings]

sorry massjester just using this as an example of the quotes here.

I have read all the pages on this thread and wondered. How many of these people drive cars? If you do why? There are bikes. It is offered as a reasonable form of transportation and look at all the damage cars are doing to our earth. You say progress. Ah yes progress. Was it nice when you could get into a car and not have to peddle.
Just because there are other reasonable accomadations doesn't mean that we should stop progress. Segways are just a better way of helping people with disabilities get around. You say there are crowds. Yep. Have you all driven in rush hour traffic. Cars mow down little girls all the time!!!! Kill them too. Girl vs Car guess who wins. Ban those horrible cars. No instead we call them "accidents" Accidents happen right.
I see alot of scared people here that don't want progress. We wonder why america doesn't move forward. Too many people happy to live with now.

I don't understand your comparision. People don't drive their cars around in the park, malls or other places that are foot traffic only places. Are you saying that little girls should be allowed to run around on the interstate or that Disney should accomidate cars as they are progress?

 

[MassJester]

sorry massjester just using this as an example of the quotes here.

I have read all the pages on this thread and wondered. How many of these people drive cars? If you do why? There are bikes. It is offered as a reasonable form of transportation and look at all the damage cars are doing to our earth. You say progress. Ah yes progress. Was it nice when you could get into a car and not have to peddle.
Just because there are other reasonable accomadations doesn't mean that we should stop progress. Segways are just a better way of helping people with disabilities get around. You say there are crowds. Yep. Have you all driven in rush hour traffic. Cars mow down little girls all the time!!!! Kill them too. Girl vs Car guess who wins. Ban those horrible cars. No instead we call them "accidents" Accidents happen right.
I see alot of scared people here that don't want progress. We wonder why america doesn't move forward. Too many people happy to live with now.

Well the difference between the use of Segways at Disney World and the use of cars on roadways is that one is private property upon which the owners wishes should prevail, and one is not.

You may have noticed that in areas where Disney does not want people to drive their automobiles, they are prohibited from doing so--even if it is a much more convenient form of travel.

 

[KYMickey]

Well the difference between the use of Segways at Disney World and the use of cars on roadways is that one is private property upon which the owners wishes should prevail, and one is not.

You may have noticed that in areas where Disney does not want people to drive their automobiles, they are prohibited from doing so--even if it is a much more convenient form of travel.

This gives me a great idea! We need to start a lawsuit demanding the ability to drive our vehicles on the roads that are designated for buses and have the ability to park in CM parking lots! That would make things much more convenient.

 

[KYMickey]

KYMICKEY
By the way as a point of reference I am disabled and use an electrical wheelchair to get around.

I have a question? Why do you use an electrical wheelchair? One that does not have the electric option would be much safer in crowds. You can control the speed much easier and I think it is a reasonable accomadation don't you?

My point still remains people should not try to hold back progress. If people did you would not have your electrical wheelchair to get around. Which would add lots of travel time to your day.

The only reason I use an electric wheelchair is that due to my disability I did not have enough upper body strength to use a conventional one. I would if I could. This is unlike people that want to use Segways, there are other devices available to them that if the mobility. Segways are not their only option!

 

[CanadianGuy]

I have tremendous respect for Sue and her comments are excellent.

She raises a huge number of points as to why Segways as a mobility device AT DISNEY isn't a great idea. And I concur with each of her points.

On another note, comparing Segways to cars is ridiculous.

Cars are :

1. Licensed, registered and INSURED .. so if they hit someone there is an avenue of recourse.

2. Not allowed to be driven on sidewalks last I checked. (Farmer's market incidents aside)

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For me... if cities won't allow them on sidewalks then they shouldn't be allowed at Disney. And if people want them at Disney, they should be suing the cities first complaining their ADA rights are infringed THERE.

As long as the city ordinances stand, then I see no reason why Reedy Creek Improvement District couldn't implement a similar ordinance... thus eliminating them from Disney pedestrian areas.

I'm all for progress, and I think most of us are, as long as the safety and security of others isn't put at greater risk by said progress. Segways do not effectively meet a NEED at WDW, they meet a WANT. As far as 'needs' go, the existing mobility devices do a great job and for that matter, the four wheeled stand up devices meet most of the same needs as the Segways "wants".

ADA's provisions are about addressing the 'needs' for equal access and mobility. Not the wants.


K

 

[Expert_Glider]

As of July 2009, 44 states and the District of Columbia have enacted legislation to allow use of Segway PTs on sidewalks, bike paths, and certain roads. The laws differ from state to state, so it is important that potential purchasers and Segway PT users carefully review their state regulations and comply with any special requirements. (Many of these laws use the term "Electric Personal Assistive Mobility Device" or "Personal Motorized Mobility Device", which are generally defined so as to include Segway PT.) In most cases, state legislation gives local authorities the option of enacting additional laws about Segway PT use.

New York City, New York, San Francisco, California, Key West (Old Town section), Florida, and Sanibel Island, Florida, are several cities that have enacted a ban on Segways. Although the local bans cover the general public, these cities recognize the Segway as an ADA protected assistive mobility device and have specific language allowing persons with disabilities to continue to use their Segways in these cities.

 

[MassJester]

As of July 2009, 44 states and the District of Columbia have enacted legislation to allow use of Segway PTs on sidewalks, bike paths, and certain roads. The laws differ from state to state, so it is important that potential purchasers and Segway PT users carefully review their state regulations and comply with any special requirements. (Many of these laws use the term "Electric Personal Assistive Mobility Device" or "Personal Motorized Mobility Device", which are generally defined so as to include Segway PT.) In most cases, state legislation gives local authorities the option of enacting additional laws about Segway PT use.

New York City, New York, San Francisco, California, Key West (Old Town section), Florida, and Sanibel Island, Florida, are several cities that have enacted a ban on Segways. Although the local bans cover the general public, these cities recognize the Segway as an ADA protected assistive mobility device and have specific language allowing persons with disabilities to continue to use their Segways in these cities.

And yet none of these laws require that they be allowed on private property.

 

[MartinaC]

Thank you everyone for all your great opinions.
Unfortunatly for America we are doomed to stay stagnet and then have to hear complaints and protests about not moving forward.

 

[KYMickey]

Thank you everyone for all your great opinions.
Unfortunatly for America we are doomed to stay stagnet and then have to hear complaints and protests about not moving forward.

America is definitely not staying stagnet! Just because these people can't use their toys where and how they want to doesn't mean America it stagnet. We're constantly developing new and better products and technology just because in certain cases we restrict how they're used we're not stagnet.

Pardon the comparison to automobiles again, but it's kinda like buying a NASCAR race car and complain That you can't drive it on city streets! Just because the product developed doesn't mean it should be used every place because of safety concerns.

 

[Snowgod]

The preceding post listed a number of places where Segways are "banned" but you can still rent them In Key West for a tour of the Fort and on Sanibel Island for a tour of the Island at Billy's Bikes. There are tours in the other cities also. Bans can be manipulated so it is a business advantage.

This all reminds me of when snowboarding first started and it was banned from the ski areas until they found they could make money at it by requiring people to take a lesson or a test before they could ride the slopes. Now they are outnumbering the skiers at many if not most areas.

 

[super_troop]

Disney World is private property. Just like my house is private property. I have the right to tell someone they can not bring a Segway into my home. Disney has this right, as well. If they don't want the Segways in their parks, then everyone should respect their wishes. There are other alternatives available.