JonBenet Ramsey - Do you think her Mother murdered her?

[Luv2Roam]

He just stumbles too much when he is asked direct question too, like what happened in that basement. He is a liar, and not even a very good one, I think.

 

[MAKmom]

NO I do not believe Patsy Ramsey had anything to do with her daughter's death or was involved with a cover-up.

 

[Honu]

Good advice, and that's precisely what I'm doing.

I was referring to your condemnation of the Ramsey's on other threads.

 

[beachblanket]

I was referring to your condemnation of the Ramsey's on other threads.

???? This is the only Ramsey thread on the DIS I have ever posted on.

So enough of that. On the thread subject itself, late yesterday KGO TV news (the ABC affiliate in San Francisco) and CNN both interviewed Michael Rains, a well known Calfornia attorney who has been retained to represent John Karr's ex-wife, Lara Knudson.

In both interviews, he stated that Lara is standing behind her statement that there was no Christmas during their marriage (between 1989 and 2000) where her husband was absent at any time during the holiday season. To support this, she is searching records (as I predicted yesterday) for hard evidence (photos in particular) that will prove John Karr was with her and their children in Alabama on Christmas Day 1996.

And think about this for a minute. I challenge any woman reading this who is or ever was married and the mother of small children to explain how ANY woman could simply "forget" her husband being AWOL at Christmas when the children were young. If that ever happened, it would be BURNED into the woman's (and possibly the children's) memory to the point where she could probably describe the weather that day and what she had for breakfast. So if Karr had actually been missing (ergo, in Boulder, not Alabama) on Christmas Day 1996, that's not something his ex-wife, children or family would have "simply forgotten."

Whatever, the other interesting comment Rains made was the that he is getting Lara ready for a press interview. So get ready for another strong rebuttal to what is increasingly adding up to be a very problematic set of "charges," against a someone who increasingly appears to be nothing more than a pedophile nutcase, who -- desperate either for attention and/or to get out of being put in jail in Thailand (where he wouldn't last five minutes) is engaging in a textbook fake confession.

 

[beachblanket]

Well, as I predicted it might, the "Karr cookie" looks like it's beginning to crumble.

For KGO TV in California just reported that Gary Harris -- a lawyer for Karr's relatives -- said Karr's Father, Wexford Karr, has found a photo showing Karr's three sons at a family 1996 Christmas dinner gathering in Atlanta. Family members are certain that if the sons were there, John Karr would have been, too. Karr's wife says he was never absent during any Christmas season while they were married (1989 to 2000), and the Christmas 1996 date of photo was confirmed because an infant pictured in it was born in December of that year.

The Washington Post also broke this story, and quoted Wexford as saying "If he (John) had flown to Colorado or somewhere at that time, they (the extended family) would have remembered it."

 

[lillygator]

have there been any reports on the DNA matching?

 

[Stepharoonie!]

I personally believe that the brother did it, and the parents helped cover up so they wouldn't lose both children.

 

[beachblanket]

have there been any reports on the DNA matching?

Not yet, which is interesting. Mouth swab samples were taken from Karr last Friday and rushed via air courier to U.S. labs the same day. So the authorities have now had at least three days for testing (an investigation with this much visibility would have had grade A lab staff working 24/7 over the weekend).

And given most forensic diagnostic labs can do a two stage D.N.A. test (general and then specific match) within that timeframe, results are either already available or very close to that.

If there is a match, that will be leaked faster than you can say "weak case that desperately needs some hard factual support."

But if there's no news, it suggests intentional delays, e.g. the Boulder D.A. engaging in more behind the scenes damage control, and planning for related Ramsey P.R. spin. Neither of them want to be blamed for falling for the "confession" of a messed-up nutcase.

 

[Daxx]

OK -- someone help me out here --

Karr says JonBenet's death was accidental, right?! How do you accidentally put a rope around someone's neck and accidentally tighten it (like a garrotte) with a broken paintbrush!? That's all accidental!? Huh? What?

Can someone explain how that is accidental?! I'd be willing to bet that 7 yo JonBenet didn't put the rope around her own neck and ask for Karr to tighten it for the sexual thrill of asphyxiation.

I was in WDW when this whole thing broke and caught bits and pieces on the morning news. Can someone fill me in on the emails between Karr and Patsy Ramsey? This is the first I've heard of them. Thanks!

 

[Daxx]

I personally believe that the brother did it, and the parents helped cover up so they wouldn't lose both children.

I thought this from the get-go. I think the brother might have pushed her hit her on the head but I don't think he did it w/murder on his mind ... I think he did it accidentally or unintentionally. Didn't realize that smacking her on the head thing would result in her death. I know he was cleared ... but what does that mean, really, on a case that was so botched?

 

[lillygator]

I thought this from the get-go. I think the brother might have pushed her hit her on the head but I don't think he did it w/murder on his mind ... I think he did it accidentally or unintentionally. Didn't realize that smacking her on the head thing would result in her death. I know he was cleared ... but what does that mean, really, on a case that was so botched?

but then wouldn't his DNA match what was found under her nails?

 

[Becky2005]

If my daughter was killed by an intruder, I would cooperate with the police.

I wouldn't immediately hire a lawyer and a publicist before my child was even buried, and refuse to cooperate.

I don't know...before a situation in our extended family happened, I would have agreed with this. HOWEVER, *after* the situation...the very first thing I would do is get a lawyer before I said or did *anything* (probably NOT a publicist though but definitely a lawyer!) I was shocked at things we thought were trivial & normal for family life became scrutinzed as since this is not normal, XYZ must be why (and it wasn't). I was paranoid for a while to explain my life situation to everyone just in case something happened the police would know we lived our life like this normally & no it's not unusual such as DH usually sleeps in a different room because we keep each other awake otherwise. It's NORMAL in our household to not be in the same room but if something bad ever happens I know that will get ripped to shreds.

I don't know who did it & doubt we will ever know 100% for sure who did.

 

[Daxx]

but then wouldn't his DNA match what was found under her nails?

I don't know. I'm v. foggy on the whole thing as it was so long ago. But couldn't the DNA be from someone else she only had contact w/? Say that she grabbed onto a friend's wrist at the Christmas party too tightly and the friend pulled away ... then that would leave that person's DNA under her nails and not necessarily have to be the killer's DNA. Maybe I'm overthinking it?! I don't know. Were there chunks of skin under her nails (as in a struggle)? I'm fuzzy on that since it happened what, 10 yrs. ago?!

 

[mtblujeans]

DH thinks the father did it. Something about the psychological background of the way she was murdered.....

 

[Daxx]

DH thinks the father did it. Something about the psychological background of the way she was murdered.....

Please elaborate -- sounds interesting!

 

[jsmith]

hmm my sister in law is a CSI-in colorado-colorado who hold the orginal samples to which a DNA match would be made did get any til this moring-a good result takes consideralbe time-and the orginal samples are 10 years old and we not handled well-it may be inconclusive

 

[Freyja]

I haven´t followed the case since it happened, but I can´t even begin to describe how terrible I feel for her mother and the whole family, if they were innocent. I can not imagine how it must have felt for her mother to know that people thought she had killed her daughter and never getting any closure before she died.

If Karr is guilty, which I think he is, I hope JonBenets mother can rest in peace.

 

[spazzyjazzy]

Yes, I think she did. She has taken to the secret to the grave.

 

[beachblanket]

If Karr is guilty, which I think he is, I hope JonBenets mother can rest in peace.

Karr is guilty? We have yet to see any hard evidence that:

• Ties him to the crime scene in any way.
  
  
• Proves he has ever been in Boulder at any time in his life.
  
  
• Can explain why he has already made statements that we know are not true, specifically:
  
  
  A. Karr has stated he 'picked up JonBenet from school before the murder." Problem is, she wasn't in school on Christmas Day 1996.
  
  
  B. Karr has stated he "drugged" JonBenet. Problem is, the toxicolgy analysis in her autospy showed no evdience of any drugs in her body.
  
  
  C. Karr has stated he had sex with JonBenet before she died. Problem is, her autopsy showed no evidence of her being sexually assaulted.
  
  
  D. Karr has stated that her death was an "accident." Problem is, her autopsy showed the cause of death was being brutually choked to death; her body was found a garrotte next to it, which left deep marks on her neck. As a prior poster put it, that's not "accidental."
  
  

 

[beachblanket]

Well, it looks like the damage control in Boulder I predicted is already begin to erupt. Fingers are already pointing at the Colorado University Professor who led the D.A.'s office on this whole wild goose chase after Karr:

JonBenet Flimsy - As the case against John Mark Karr disintegrates, attention turns to CU prof Michael Tracey, who's fingered false suspects in the past