JonBenet Ramsey - Do you think her Mother murdered her?

[Wishing on a star]

Cleared? Until all the details come out on this "confession," that's --- to be polite -- a rush to judgement. There are still many open issues on this case, particularly regarding authorship the "ransom" note. Hopefully, interrogation of Mark Karr will finally close them.

I agree. In addition to the ransom note, and the way he had to navigate that huge house, carrying a child who would have been resisting, etc... the fact that Karr also lived close to them in GA, and then up an moves to CO... Karr knew way to much information and seemed to be too close to the family.

I don't think that this is an open and shut case just yet.

 

[lillygator]

Does anyone think we will ever know what really happened? I would like to hear his explanation of the ransom note etc...his story thus far doesn't add up (that he picked her up from school, etc)

 

[beachblanket]

I agree. In addition to the ransom note, and the way he had to navigate that huge house, carrying a child who would have been resisting, etc... the fact that Karr also lived close to them in GA, and then up an moves to CO... Karr knew way to much information and seemed to be too close to the family.

I don't think that this is an open and shut case just yet.

Bingo - and just to add more fuel to the "let's not close the book just yet" fire , has anyone else noticed that Karr is picking his words very carefully?

He has not confessed to murdering JonBenet. He is saying he was "there" when she died, and that the death was an "accident." In response to a question from a reporter "are you guilty of the crime?" he stuttered "yes," but that is not a legal confession (he would have to say "yes" to the question "did you murder JonBenet Ramsey?"

Notably, he is also NOT saying that he was the sole "witness" to said so-called "accident."

 

[beachblanket]

Yahoo news is now reporting the Karr's ex-wife (they were still married and together back in 1996) has stated Karr was with her -- in Alabama -- on the night of the murder. If her claim can be proven, we're back to square one, so don't close the book on this case just yet.

Ex-wife gives alibi for JonBenet suspect

 

[sha_lyn]

I just read about the alibi. I doubt there will ever be closure on the case. His story doesn't add up.

 

[beachblanket]

Yet more insight in link below: Karr is definitely a messed up whack-job who is obsessed with the Ramsey case, which adds fuel to the to theory he may just be another example of the classic "confessing crackpot" - or put another way, the people who arrested him (and those who rushed to judgment that Patsey Ramsey is due a posthumous apology) could end up with egg on their faces.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4192717?source=rss

 

[meloneyb21]

This is such a tragic story. To think that a 6 year old little girl, a baby, had to go through all this. Plus the fact that she may have been betrayed by her own mother? This is a devastating thing and it makes me so sad. She would have been beautiful 16 year old girl, living her life and having fun like she should have been doing.....people are insane.

 

[Wishing on a star]

What a better way for Patsy Ramsey to clear her name than to communicate via the computer with an obsessed crackpot like Karr, feed him the secret details that would seem incriminating, and then let the authorities and the media have their field day. If Karr was indeed in GA and not in CO, then there would be no other way for him to know the 'details' unless they were being fed to him.

This is exactly WHY in a case like this, ALL suspects should be considered and investigated as suspects until the truth really comes out.

 

[4cruisin]

When I saw the video of him being taken into the room with the reporters, his demeanor did not see right. I would have been scared being brought into a frenzy and when they were sitting him down in the chair, it seemed like he was almost "enjoying" the energy around him.

If you get a chance to watch the video, watch his face and body language as he sits down in the chair. Just seems strange to me.

None of this is adding up.

 

[ryanally]

You know what I found to be strangely coincidental? John Karr was supposedly sending emails to a Michael Tracey about the JB case. Michael Tracey is said to be a University of Colorado professor of journalism.
Flash back to the last Ramsey Xmas party. The man playing Santa and friend of the family was also a Univ of Colorado journalism professor. I know this is long shot, but what if there was some connnection?

 

[sajetto]

I haven't read this whole thread and I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I just heard on MSNBC that Karr states he drugged JonBenet, BUT her autopsy showed absolutely no evidence of drugs or alcohol in her system.


ALSO, his ex wife, who despises him BTW and says that he has no rights to see his children, states that he was WITH HER that Christmas and never left the home.


This could very well be another crazy confessor. Nothing is adding up here and I am far from convinced considering this information

 

[beachblanket]

Some more news updates:

The Boulder district attorney earlier today said (direct quote here):

"there is much more work to be done in the case against the suspect, and the public should not to jump to conclusions."

That should be taken as a message that no one should be already be making conclusions on Karr's guilt-- or lack thereof.

Also, some more details on Lara, Karr's ex-wife. According to news reports here in California on KGO TV:

• Their divorce was apparently very ugly, and the interview with Lara clearly showed she has -- to put it poiltely -- a less than amicable relationship with her ex-husband ,which raises her credibility, e.g. she has absolutely no motive to be helping him, but is still adamantly stating that he was with her in Alabama on the night of JonBenet's murder.
  
  
• Lara also stated her ex-husband spent a lot of time studying the cases of not just Ramsey but also Polly Klaas, who was abducted from her Petaluma, Calif., home and slain in 1993, going on to imply he had an obsession with notorious pedophle murder cases.
  
  
• She also said she had no knowldedge of her ex-husband having had any relationship whatsoever with the Ramsey family or JonBenet.

 

[TheDoctor]

I am so glad that the mother died knowing that there was a suspect and that she would vindicated.

 

[beachblanket]

I am so glad that the mother died knowing that there was a suspect and that she would vindicated.

Hmmm, I must have missed something in crimminal law 101
I thought those under suspicion weren't declared innocent
until someone else was convicted

Ooops, I forgot about the good 'ole

 

[FranP]

I think it could be a little "fishy" that they find this guy what 6 weeks after Patsy dies and is sort of "removed" from the suspect list. Again, we will probably never know what actually happened to JonBenet - I hope the poor kid can rest in peace. And if Patsy didn't do it, I hope she can, too.

 

[Honu]

Hmmm, I must have missed something in crimminal law 101
I thought those under suspicion weren't declared innocent
until someone else was convicted

Ooops, I forgot about the good 'ole

Always best to practice what you preach.

 

[Luv2Roam]

The return of the DNA will be interesting.
Many experts and news sources are already claiming False Confession. (No drugs, no penetration of rape, ex spouse saying he was not in CO, no Ramsey connection so far, and says intent was to kidnap from the start yet does not bring a ransom note and has to use items at the scene and write it there even practicing the note.) Only time will tell of course.
The entire situation has been very suspicious, and still is. That is why it captures our attention so strongly.
He is looney.

 

[bigmerle1966]

I haven't had the chance to really watch anything about this, but it seemed a little fishy to me that they would "find" her killer so close after Patsy's death. I think that if the parents didn't do it they know who did and are trying to protect that person and themselves.

 

[beachblanket]

Always best to practice what you preach.

Good advice, and that's precisely what I'm doing. I've neither claimed Karr is innocent or guilty. Pointing out (as Luv2Roam excellently did) that there are major potential holes in a case against him (which I have also done) is a lot different than walking is here and stating that his mere arrest "vindicates" someone else.

But back to the intriguing subject of Lara Karr's "alibi." Of all the potential problems presented so far with the evidence against Karr, this is the one that -- if proven accurate -- will immediately destroy the case against him.

Which is why I'm very intrigued that the Boulder D.A. hasn't rebutted it yet (confirming a full nest family father's whereabouts on the major holiday a decade isn't going to take a good detective more than half a day...Lara, can we see any photos taken that day (duh...do people with small kids takes pictures on Christmas) ....you also call the cops in Alabama, they interview the local friends and families who were networked with the Carrs and ask the same question, this isn't rocket science).

Consequently, the longer things go without Lara Karr's alibi being publicly rebutted, the more I begin to smell yet another massive screw up/cover up in the Boulder D.A. office ("we've got our man, let's put on a massive press show...ooops, his ex-wife can place him hundreds of miles away from the scene of the crime....oh, crap, what do we do now.....I'm not making the annoucement we did a big investigation and missed that little fact...you do it...no, you do it...."

 

[Luv2Roam]

The Boulder D.A. office already looks bad, and has for the last 10 years. So other than getting in trouble with the FBI, etc, what more harm can come to their integrity?
I always suspected the family members. Not saying they did do it, as there were always unanswered questions on that too IF they did it. (Why was a stun gun necessary if it was someone she trusted?)
And I always wondered how much is truth and how much is fiction. Very suspicious the home alarm system just happened to be off that night, the family dog just happened to be elsewhere that night, the way the parents acted from day one. But it would be heart breaking to think any parent would be falsely accused for their child's death.
But unless the State of CO comes up with something more concrete -- I don't think this nut job murdered JonBenet. His arrest brings up more questions than answers.
This is one time I am glad the media is digging in. They will find out what this guy even had for lunch that Christmas!