Jon sues Kate for the Eight?

[Dee77]

I am not on either side here except to hope that everyone involved makes the children a priority, that includes the parents, lawyers, TLC network and the judge/arbitrator. I think Kate showed her true colors when the show was on and it seems like she hasn't changed. As for Jon, I think he was in a bad marriage and went wild when it was over. Neither is right in their actions but I think Kate is the one who drives the decisions to make the big bucks and with that she sacrificed a lot of what is beneficial for the children. Did she not watch any of the episodes??? Her stint on DWTS shows that she hasn't changed, she still comes across like she is entitled and can walk all over people. My comment about the custody and child support being re-evaluated is driven by the fact that Kate is making a great deal of money right now with the dancing show and her new book that's coming out and apparently she is not allowing him to see the kids while she is away which I feel is sad.

 

[DMRick]

apparently she is not allowing him to see the kids while she is away which I feel is sad.

He said he spent 14 days with them when DWTS was first starting and she had to be there so much. There are also pictures of him staying with them after Kate flew back last Saturday. He's seeing them and spending time with them. At one point he said he would be with them when she went to CA. Apparently he wants to pick when, and not have Kate tell him when. He wished Kate luck, and seemed happy that she was doing DWTS.

 

[princessmom29]

My two cents:

Both of them are selfish and just out for the money here. Kate is a tyrant who wants to control everyone and everything around her. She had a huge fight with her partner the first week of DWTS because he didn't just roll over and take it like Jon did all those years. She was actually trying to tell him that HE, THE PROFESSIONAL DANCER, was doing it wrong, and started the whole crying, my life is so tough bit when he called her on it and told her to shut it and take direction. It has been an ongonig problem from what I am seeing from rehersal footage. She is always bossing, and then crying when she is not allowed to run the reherasl. She has got to learn to let go and stop trying to tell everyone around her what to do, and when and how to do it. That is at least part of what ended her marriage. Jon needs to stop chasing tail and trying to be famous and get a real job. He spent entirely too much time buckling to Kate and just taking it before he lost it completely. Taht doen't entitle him to a second childhood. He needs to get over himself, grow a backbone, and start being a man. Both of them need to step OUT of the spotlight, downsize their lives, and try to live like normal people. If not for their own sakes, then for their children. Thise children really do not need to be on tv any more. They have enough to deal with. The problem is that they have gotten too used to living the way they do. I think they feel like they cannot give up the multimillion dollar house, designer clothes for all of them, $8000 hairdo's ect. They have to come to grips with the fact that they can and need to give up those things and try to live a normal life for the sake of their children.

 

[Dee77]

DMRick- you definitely seem to have a lot more info regarding them than I do and I sense you are on team Kate so I will only clarify this point I made:
It was made very clear when she was announced as a participant on DWTS that she said the kids would be with the nannies while she is in LA for the live shows. I feel that is a power play and not with the children's best interest at heart. She has publicly stated that she feels Jon is a good father so why is it even a question who is watching them while she is away.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

DMRick- you definitely seem to have a lot more info regarding them than I do and I sense you are on team Kate so I will only clarify this point I made:
It was made very clear when she was announced as a participant on DWTS that she said the kids would be with the nannies while she is in LA for the live shows. I feel that is a power play and not with the children's best interest at heart. She has publicly stated that she feels Jon is a good father so why is it even a question who is watching them while she is away.

Actually--from a legal perspective, there is no side.

There simply is a custody agreement and Kate is not obligated to deviate from that.

Jon can make the case that he should be able to see them when she is out of town, but legally he has no right and a court will not require her to deviate her custody arrangement just b/c she has other plans away from the children.

Sometimes--being the good guy can bite you in the butt later on, so her keeping to the letter on custody is actually a good thing. A good thing for any parent.

We can whine about how it isn't fair, but that is something that he should have been considered when he gave up primary custody in the first place.

The only "fair" thing to do is to obey the custody arrangement.

As for Jon--he's trying to take it away for an illegitimate reason. How is that in the best interest of the kids.


(FWIW--post-divorce, I am Jon and Kate neutral...my comments are not a reflection of favortism for either side.)

 

[Dee77]

His lawyer was on Nancy Grace last night and the impression I got was that Kate has the full discretion of if and when he can see the kids. I also got the impression that his hand was forced with what he "agreed" to with the divorce settlement since she had the TLC network on her side.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

His lawyer was on Nancy Grace last night and the impression I got was that Kate has the full discretion of if and when he can see the kids. I also got the impression that his hand was forced with what he "agreed" to with the divorce settlement since she had the TLC network on her side.

That smells fishy to me.

That would mean that his attorney was not acting in his best interest. Sounds like he should sue his original attorney.

I really doubt that Kate has full discretion. Visitation is usually spelled out in the decree.

It's as though he has an ambulance chaser type of a family lawyer.

Out of curiosity, what was NG's opinionated opinion on the topic?

 

[luvsJack]

Actually--from a legal perspective, there is no side.

There simply is a custody agreement and Kate is not obligated to deviate from that.

Jon can make the case that he should be able to see them when she is out of town, but legally he has no right and a court will not require her to deviate her custody arrangement just b/c she has other plans away from the children.

Sometimes--being the good guy can bite you in the butt later on, so her keeping to the letter on custody is actually a good thing. A good thing for any parent.

We can whine about how it isn't fair, but that is something that he should have been considered when he gave up primary custody in the first place.
The only "fair" thing to do is to obey the custody arrangement.

As for Jon--he's trying to take it away for an illegitimate reason. How is that in the best interest of the kids.


(FWIW--post-divorce, I am Jon and Kate neutral...my comments are not a reflection of favortism for either side.)

Not having custody does nto mean he doesn't get visatation. A visatation agreement could have said that he is to have the kids when she is out of town.

He could very well be suing for custody as a way fo getting her to obide by the visitation agreement. Many non-custodial parents have done the same thing, its a way to get it all back in court and laid back out before the judge.

 

[kidshop]

Who here thinks Kate is/was a stay at home mom? I overheard on Extra (I think) that Brooke referred to her as a 'housewife". People don't really believe that do they? They are still selling the "I do it all alone" spiel? Dang people are gullible.

I read the court documents and it does say that Kate has sole discretion on when or if Jon sees the kids. And surprise surprise, she is abusing this mandate. Of course then she can complain Jon isn't around, when it is her not letting him be there. perfection!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Not having custody does nto mean he doesn't get visatation. A visatation agreement could have said that he is to have the kids when she is out of town.

He could very well be suing for custody as a way fo getting her to obide by the visitation agreement. Many non-custodial parents have done the same thing, its a way to get it all back in court and laid back out before the judge.

Fair enough.

But why is he just now speaking up? The timing is...interesting.

 

[Dee77]

His current lawyer made it seem like for the arbitration he didn't have representation then Nancy Grace made a comment like "well at least you are local and are known for being a good lawyer" Maybe that means that his previous lawyer only handled certain things and was from another area which may have been an issue with local laws and family court matters.

Nancy's overall opinion was that he made a jerk out of himself once he started chasing tail around the country. I don't think she appeared to have any recollection of either of their actions from more than 12 months ago which is the timeframe when his behavior was outrageous. She also wanted to know if it was true that he is staying on his brothers couch in Maryland and what happened to the apartment in NYC.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Who here thinks Kate is/was a stay at home mom? I overheard on Extra (I think) that Brooke referred to her as a 'housewife". People don't really believe that do they? They are still selling the "I do it all alone" spiel? Dang people are gullible.

I read the court documents and it does say that Kate has sole discretion on when or if Jon sees the kids. And surprise surprise, she is abusing this mandate. Of course then she can complain Jon isn't around, when it is her not letting him be there. perfection!

Hmmm...that is weird.

He does have many documented "not being around moments" when he was frolicking around with his "soulmate".

He isn't going to get primary though. He signed off on all of that--so if he wants enforced visitation that is one thing. But no way will she get custody rescinded.

 

[Mermaid02]

He was too busy enjoying himself with Hailey Glassman when they divorced, he wasn't thinking about his kids at all. Whose fault is that? It's Jon's. How many men would sit back and agree to such a thing?

 

[DMRick]

I read the postings put on the original J & K board and I also look/listen to at the interviews of Jon. Usually, when I hear it out of his mouth (and he is the one that said he spent 14 days with the kids), I figure at least about when he's with the kids, he's telling the truth. Plus the paps are back, so the pictures have started, and well, he's in them, at their house and Kate is in CA when they are taken.
I try to be on team kids, but I do admit my team Jon went bye bye the day he came in form work and said how glad he ws that he didn't have to stay home with the kids. And then he became a SAHD for a short period of time..which he wasn't fond of again according to him. I am not happy that Kate (and Jon, since he is allowing it again too) will be putting the kids back on TV, but I see that really, it doesn't matter what she does, what type of show, if she's pushing out a book, dancing, doing some stpid Twisted show, people say she's doing it wrong. So I assume she figures (and I don't know this with any facts), the kids like it (her words, not mine) she might as well do what she does know.
Jon agreed to the document, and now IMO, he see's an easier way to get money, by becoming the primary custodial parent and hoping for support money. He had his chance to fight for them, he gave it up. I don't get at all why regular agreements of when visitation should be was not settled, unless that was somethign he gave up, perhaps for more money. Maybe to keep something quiet. I have no idea.
I actually, except for what they say in interviews have no idea how much time they each are with the kids, if they have friends and family over, if they are on the phone with them often when they are away. The kids appear to be happy and healthy. I don't care what the parents do, I just wish they would not make it public. If Jon wants to sue for something, why not sneak to court and do it. Why publicize it and have your lawyer on TV, if he was (I didn't see it, so it's just what I read). I haven't heard Kate say much of anything against Jon..I thought it had quieted down. I do think he's got next to zero chance of changing the decree as far as primary custody, before the two years are up, but if he's broke they may need to revist the support.

DMRick- you definitely seem to have a lot more info regarding them than I do and I sense you are on team Kate so I will only clarify this point I made:
It was made very clear when she was announced as a participant on DWTS that she said the kids would be with the nannies while she is in LA for the live shows. I feel that is a power play and not with the children's best interest at heart. She has publicly stated that she feels Jon is a good father so why is it even a question who is watching them while she is away.

 

[cheermom1]

He was too busy enjoying himself with Hailey Glassman when they divorced, he wasn't thinking about his kids at all. Whose fault is that? It's Jon's. How many men would sit back and agree to such a thing?

I can tell you my dh didn't, theirs went on for almost 6 months b/c she wanted it in the papers that he get them ONLY IF she thinks he should. Plus a lot of other crap that had NOTHING to do with the kids but all about her! IF a dad wants to see his kids he would NOT have signed the dang papers that way! But with that aside I do feel as though he is being made to pay WAY too much CS, and this maybe a way to get all this back in front of the judge to correct his mistake of signing the papers they way they were. Maybe he is have a lawyer and he may not have known he didn't have to sign them, wouldn't surprise me. But yeah I feel this is just Jon's way of getting all this back in court. However I also feel this is his way of "trying" to stay in the lime light was well.

 

[Mermaid02]

I can tell you my dh didn't, theirs went on for almost 6 months b/c she wanted it in the papers that he get them ONLY IF she thinks he should. Plus a lot of other crap that had NOTHING to do with the kids but all about her! IF a dad wants to see his kids he would NOT have signed the dang papers that way! But with that aside I do feel as though he is being made to pay WAY too much CS, and this maybe a way to get all this back in front of the judge to correct his mistake of signing the papers they way they were. Maybe he is have a lawyer and he may not have known he didn't have to sign them, wouldn't surprise me. But yeah I feel this is just Jon's way of getting all this back in court. However I also feel this is his way of "trying" to stay in the lime light was well.

He's not really "paying" it. It was set aside out of community property and is paid automatically. The court decided on the amount.

 

[cheermom1]

He's not really "paying" it. It was set aside out of community property and is paid automatically. The court decided on the amount.

But what happens when that runs out??? How in the world is he going to be able to pay that amount? He will NEVER find a job that will pay him that much plus enough to live on. It is an insane amount and he may feel that he needs to get this addressed before it does run out.

 

[pweyl36]

That whole family is just messed up. Maybe a responsible adult will sue for custody and those kids might have a chance at a normal life

Let the grand parents get the kids.

 

[Mermaid02]

But what happens when that runs out??? How in the world is he going to be able to pay that amount? He will NEVER find a job that will pay him that much plus enough to live on. It is an insane amount and he may feel that he needs to get this addressed before it does run out.

I have no idea how much $$ was actually set aside. He is within his rights to go back and have that revisited. The chance of him holding ANY job and contributing is slim. How much does Celebrity Fit Club pay??

 

[Mermaid02]

Let the grand parents get the kids.

Yeah, but they raised Kate and Jon.........