Jon and Kate Plus 8. Official Thread!!

[madge]

if that is what was said, it is close to, but not over the line for me
It's not the same as saying "you are stupid" IMHO
But then again I don't see stupid as a "dirty word" IE... Many yrs ago DS said some TV show or something was stupid. He must have been about 6. His friend went nuts saying that DS was cursing.

in our house, things can be dumb or stupid, but people can't. I don't say it's a curse word ... but, my kids have been raised to know they're smart enough to choose another word.

 

[Camster0307]

in our house, things can be dumb or stupid, but people can't. I don't say it's a curse word ... but, my kids have been raised to know they're smart enough to choose another word.

I just don't like the word "stupid" period. I tell my DD to find another word that means the same thing - helps to expand her vocab!

 

[sha_lyn]

in our house, things can be dumb or stupid, but people can't. I don't say it's a curse word ... but, my kids have been raised to know they're smart enough to choose another word.

1 I didn't say you said it was a curse word
2 Thanks for implying that my kids aren't smart enough to choose another word.


Looks like I never should have returned to this thread. Its turning back into the "bash kate and anyone who likes her" threac.

 

[madge]

2 Thanks for implying that my kids aren't smart enough to choose another word.

I didn't imply a thing about your children. If you're fine with your children using the word stupid, then that's all that matters. I don't like the word stupid, I also do like to hear my older children say a variety of things ... they're smart enough to choose a word I do like.

Looks like I never should have returned to this thread. Its turning back into the "bash kate and anyone who likes her" threac.

Well, I'm not a fan of Kate ... but I will admit that there is a possibility she's just getting a really bad edit from TLC. We only see what they want us to see. Their reality could be very, very different.

 

[mefordis]

You have got to be kidding me, you would throw out an article of clothing because a stain didn't come out instead of letting them wear them in the yard to play in You apparently have an endless amount of money to buy clothes with. even as an adult, I will keep a stained tee to wear to do yard work, paint, wear around with a pair of sweats. That is wasteful.

Suzanne

I have to admit that I toss stained clothing, too. I have very little since I work on the stain as soon as I take the clothes off my daughter. I can't stand to put stained clothing on her. I wouldn't wear stained clothing myself, either. Nor would dh.

So far I haven't had to throw out that many articles of clothing, but when I do I just use them for cleaning rags.

 

[C.Ann]

It has been mentioned over and over again that Kate is suffering from OCD - and in my estimation I think that is probably true - and a fairly serious case of it.. What people fail to realize though is the long term and everlasting impact this can have on her children - not to mention the potential of ruining her marriage.. If she really "can't help herself" because of her OCD, she should consider therapy and/or medication..

A real life example is the elderly couple down the road from me here - who suffer from severe OCD.. Their adult son also suffers from OCD (even more severe than theirs) - to the point where he can not hold a steady job; has been "trying" to build a house for 15 years now, but has to keep redoing all of the work he contracts out because it isn't "perfect" or "straight" or "neat enough" or the contractors left some saw dust on the floor, etc; is totally over the top when it comes to any kind of dirt, dust, stains, unruly plants, grass that isn't mowed every single day, things being "out of order"; items placed on counter tops; etc.. He married his high school sweetheart and although she would have liked to have children, she has consistently refused to because she will not bring a child into the environment that OCD has caused with not only her DH, but her in-laws as well.. At one point, the adult son tried the medication and it worked - very well - but, he was so used to "not" feeling normal he couldn't accept these new feelings and went off the medication..

OCD is nothing to be taken lightly - it can severely alter the lives of not only the sufferer, but everyone around them.. If Kate truly does suffer from OCD she is doing her family a terrible injustice by not addressing it before it molds the minds of her children.. If she doesn't have it, then possibly there is another reason - something along the lines of someone who needs to control everyone and everything around her to the point of being downright annoying..

I'm not 100% sure which category she falls into, but the one thing I do know is that her behavior will most definitely have an impact on how her children respond to any given situation..

Personally I think they should cancel their television show and spend more time focusing on the truly important issues in their lives..

 

[Camster0307]

I have to admit that I toss stained clothing, too. I have very little since I work on the stain as soon as I take the clothes off my daughter. I can't stand to put stained clothing on her. I wouldn't wear stained clothing myself, either. Nor would dh.

So far I haven't had to throw out that many articles of clothing, but when I do I just use them for cleaning rags.

Must admit - me too!

But, then again, I have no real use stained clothing; DDs are not really "play in the dirt" kind of girls.

 

[Camster0307]

It has been mentioned over and over again that Kate is suffering from OCD - and in my estimation I think that is probably true - and a fairly serious case of it.. What people fail to realize though is the long term and everlasting impact this can have on her children - not to mention the potential of ruining her marriage.. If she really "can't help herself" because of her OCD, she should consider therapy and/or medication..

A real life example is the elderly couple down the road from me here - who suffer from severe OCD.. Their adult son also suffers from OCD (even more severe than theirs) - to the point where he can not hold a steady job; has been "trying" to build a house for 15 years now, but has to keep redoing all of the work he contracts out because it isn't "perfect" or "straight" or "neat enough" or the contractors left some saw dust on the floor, etc; is totally over the top when it comes to any kind of dirt, dust, stains, unruly plants, grass that isn't mowed every single day, things being "out of order"; items placed on counter tops; etc.. He married his high school sweetheart and although she would have liked to have children, she has consistently refused to because she will not bring a child into the environment that OCD has caused with not only her DH, but her in-laws as well.. At one point, the adult son tried the medication and it worked - very well - but, he was so used to "not" feeling normal he couldn't accept these new feelings and went off the medication..

OCD is nothing to be taken lightly - it can severely alter the lives of not only the sufferer, but everyone around them.. If Kate truly does suffer from OCD she is doing her family a terrible injustice by not addressing it before it molds the minds of her children.. If she doesn't have it, then possibly there is another reason - something along the lines of someone who needs to control everyone and everything around her to the point of being downright annoying..

I'm not 100% sure which category she falls into, but the one thing I do know is that her behavior will most definitely have an impact on how her children respond to any given situation..

Personally I think they should cancel their television show and spend more time focusing on the truly important issues in their lives..

I'm not posting to disagree with you, but once again, I have to ask: how do you know that Kate doesn't get help -- or is not taking steps to try and minimize the effects of her OCD?

And one final thing I'd like to point out - from reading all these posts, it seems that we all agree that the kids are adorable, sweet, and polite. Well, who do you think is teaching them those virtues? Those kids are the product of pretty good parenting, IMO. I mean, afterall, many people claim that Kate has scared off all the help; and has barred most family members from being around the kids, so where else are they learning their good behavior?

 

[PrincessSuzanne]

I have to admit that I toss stained clothing, too. I have very little since I work on the stain as soon as I take the clothes off my daughter. I can't stand to put stained clothing on her. I wouldn't wear stained clothing myself, either. Nor would dh.

So far I haven't had to throw out that many articles of clothing, but when I do I just use them for cleaning rags.

Well, even that makes a difference, you are still using them. I guess I come by it honestly, my grandmother didn't throw much away, and if you had looked at my attic, you would understand. I just can't fathom throwing out clothes that can be used for dirty work around the house.

Suzanne

 

[C.Ann]

I'm not posting to disagree with you, but once again, I have to ask: how do you know that Kate doesn't get help -- or is not taking steps to try and minimize the effects of her OCD?

And one final thing I'd like to point out - from reading all these posts, it seems that we all agree that the kids are adorable, sweet, and polite. Well, who do you think is teaching them those virtues? Those kids are the product of pretty good parenting, IMO. I mean, afterall, many people claim that Kate has scared off all the help; and has barred most family members from being around the kids, so where else are they learning their good behavior?

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I don't know - but I would assume that if she were getting help and/or on medication, there would have been some change in her demeanor for the length of time that show has been on.. If anything, she seems to be getting worse - not better.. But again, it could just be a "control" thing - not OCD..
People on this thread have mentioned OCD and I was simply commenting on that..

I agree that her children are adorable, sweet, and polite.. So was the adult son that I mentioned in my previous post - although raised in a household with two parents who suffer from severe OCD.. Manners and OCD are in no way connected.. Just because someone suffers from OCD does not mean they will have "bad" behavior - such as being bratty, rebellious, etc.. I think we're talking about two different things here..

Regardless, I just don't think this television show is helping whatever the situation is..

 

[brittsmum1998]

Well, I'm not a fan of Kate ... but I will admit that there is a possibility she's just getting a really bad edit from TLC. We only see what they want us to see. Their reality could be very, very different.

Thats the thing w/ me, I watch Reality shows all the time. They can edit all they want but the words that come out of their mouths regardless of when its said is different. They are still words out of their mouths. Those can't be edited.

The more I watch of this show the more I'm not liking her. I'd love to see the "behind scenes" people write a book someday. Even if I were to believe 1/2 of what I read me thinks that would be a doozy

 

[madge]

The more I watch of this show the more I'm not liking her. I'd love to see the "behind scenes" people write a book someday. Even if I were to believe 1/2 of what I read me thinks that would be a doozy

there's a couple of blogs out there you'd probably like, then. LOL.

 

[luv2nascar]

I never really disliked her or the show until last night. The cupcakes was too much and the bear was unbearable. If she threw it out I was going to cry. One of the twins had him by the hand and was smart enough to comfort him.

 

[DisneygirlTeacher]

I am another fan of the show and agree the children are adorable. To me, Jon is a saint and Kate is an awesome mom. Granted, she is so organized and a cleaning fanatic about her laundry...lol..but I admire her. I have only one child and when she was little I remember thinking how in the world was I going to fit in a shower or cook dinner with her running all around?! Jon and Kate even talked about "not being perfect"...that they were sure perfect parents were out there but it sure wasn't them. I can't imagine doing what they are doing and I'm sure they are tired beyond tired most days. I love the show and can't wait to get their book when it comes out, too.

 

[corkery719]

Get off Kate! She has all of those kids to deal with everyday, Do you? How do you think you would react to 8 sets of clothes that have icing all over them. And that is just 1 set! How many clothes do your kids go through in one day? She is doing the best she can for her kids and loves them each as their own. I love Jon, too. What they show us is real, how they feel at any given moment in THEIR house. I will continue to watch until they get married, if they are GRACIOUS enough to ALLOW me to!!!!Get a grip, and know that we all have things that we don't want people to see in our own house, if you don't like it.....Turn the channel!

 

[phamton]

Kate is SO obsessed with stains...I think part of it is that she always wants the clothes to match....it one girl ruins her dress and the others don't, I bet none of them would be worn again.

That is so true. If she didn't insist on always dressing them alike, then it would be easy to change one kid's clothes if he/she got messy. Now if one child gets messy, they all have to change. Everyone knows that they are multiples so she doesn't have to prove it by dressing them alike. I am the mother of twins and I never thought it was necessary to dress them alike. If one baby spit up or got messy, I only had to change that baby. I can guarantee you that if I had that many babies at once, I wouldn't be wasting time with matching outfits. OK, I'm off my soapbox.

 

[MichelleVW]

Finally had time to sit down last night and watch Monday's shows. Personally I would have let them eat a cupcake at the bakery and then taken one home, but that's just me. I didn't think she was rude to the bakery woman though.

I thought she did flip out a little about the gum, but since I am anti gum for little kids, I can bet I would have done the same. My girls weren't allowed gum until age 6 or 7 and I would not have been happy if someone gave my 6 3 year old's gum!

 

[Embel]

I have been watching this show since day 1 & I have a theory about Kate's OCD behavior. I think she is a neat freak & control freak, for sure. But, I also think that Kate realizes that this is a huge part of her TV persona- one of the things people love to hate her for. And, I think she is smart enough to give the people what they want so that she can continue to have a show. Not that she doesn't already have these qualities...I just think she & TLC magnify them to make for good TV.

 

[lucas]

Why couldn't they have made the cupcakes at home?

 

[eh24fan]

I don't have OCD but I never would have let my kids play in mud! That is disgusting! I am very fussy with clothes though so if anything is stained I will spend hours trying to get it out. Stained clothes never became play clothes, if I couldn't get those stains out I would toss them in the garbage before I let my kids wear clothes with stains.



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Wow...seriously? I wish I had the money to throw away clothes that are stained! My kids only wear stained clothes at home to play in, or with my family of course. When we go out, they wear nice stuff. I don't want my kids looking like ragamuffins either. I let my kids get messy and dirty sometimes though. They are kids! I remember how much fun it was to get really messy as a kid! We have a picture of me and 3 of my cousins in the bathtub at our grandparents after our fathers were supposed to be "watching" us. It turned out they were too busy chatting to notice we were all playing in the big mud puddle. We had fun! Our mothers were less than thrilled. I was about 4 and I was the oldest, so the others were about 2. I remember it clear as day and it was FUN!