Jon and Kate Plus 8. Official Thread!!

[DreaGirl]

My point is, you should really compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. The big bonuses are for professional actors who are trained and paid to memorize and perform a script.

Jon and Kate are regular people who want to document their lives, per their own statements. People who work on documentaries usually aren't paid or are paid very little. If the show is scripted and they are considered actors, then their children fall in the same category. Which means that there are strict rules for child actors.

They can't have it both ways. I could give a flying fig if they get paid or not, but to compare them to real actors is a bit much, don't you think?

 

[madge]

ok, I'm watching the Labor Day show ... I'm not sure how many minutes I'm into it. They're still at the hospital. Anyway, it's obvious to me how meaningful it was for Jon & Kate to be back for a visit. It's clear to me they're enjoying the walk down memory lane. But, I wonder how the doctor's reaction to the visit was like in person vs. on TV. He obviously had a relationship with Jon & Kate, but he seemed almost distant during the show. Now, I am NOT suggesting anything by that. I really think that's just the way the doctor's personality is. He seemed sort of blah to the whole thing. LOLOL.

Now, I've had friends with kids in the NICU, and I'm surprised they're letting all 8 kids go in there.

edited to add: I"m referring to the first doc. The second doc seems more comfortable with the cameras or something. Seems much more familiar with the family.

 

[sha_lyn]

My point is, you should really compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. The big bonuses are for professional actors who are trained and paid to memorize and perform a script.

Jon and Kate are regular people who want to document their lives, per their own statements. People who work on documentaries usually aren't paid or are paid very little. If the show is scripted and they are considered actors, then their children fall in the same category. Which means that there are strict rules for child actors.

They can't have it both ways. I could give a flying fig if they get paid or not, but to compare them to real actors is a bit much, don't you think?

No it isn't a "bit much". The production company and network are not losing $$ on the show.
I'll ask again....who should the money go to then? The excutives at TLC and figure 8? Why do you have a problem with the Gosselins receiving a "share of the wealth" and who should that money go to if not them. They are the ones in front of the camera, Why shouldn't they receive their fair share of the $$ that their show is bring in?

 

[huey duey & luey]

My point is, you should really compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. The big bonuses are for professional actors who are trained and paid to memorize and perform a script.

Jon and Kate are regular people who want to document their lives, per their own statements. People who work on documentaries usually aren't paid or are paid very little. If the show is scripted and they are considered actors, then their children fall in the same category. Which means that there are strict rules for child actors.

They can't have it both ways. I could give a flying fig if they get paid or not, but to compare them to real actors is a bit much, don't you think?

my point is that all of these people are making oney for the networks, and the networks are choosing to give them compensation

If J&K were on public assistance, people would be outraged. I would much rather they get their money from figure 8 (or whatever it's called), then the government. Good for Jon, he found away to financially support his family, and he gets to spend a great deal of time with them as well. I wish my dh had that much time home with us. After seeing wht Kate does all day, I can honestly say I am glad she is not my nurse. I just don't see how she could adequately do both. Maybe, once the little ones are in full day school but not now.

 

[huey duey & luey]

These people are adult actors working on a scripted comedy show. Jon & Kate are doing neither, right?

I am sure Eric Mccormack and Debra Messing could easily afford to buy their own Porsche, why didnt they donate the money to charity instead? People make money in so many different ways, doe s Paris Hilton need 100,000 every time she walks into a club. If people are willing to pay it, why shouldn't she take it. I wouldn't call her a trained professional either. Strike while the iron is hot, fame and money are fleeting

 

[DreaGirl]

No it isn't a "bit much". The production company and network are not losing $$ on the show.
I'll ask again....who should the money go to then? The excutives at TLC and figure 8? Why do you have a problem with the Gosselins receiving a "share of the wealth" and who should that money go to if not them. They are the ones in front of the camera, Why shouldn't they receive their fair share of the $$ that their show is bring in?

I'm not sure why you are getting so defensive with my reply. Like I said in my previous post, I could care less if they get paid. Pay them what you want, give them 75,000 an episode. But, don't compare them to real actors. They are on a reality show. Plus those shows are on major networks, we are talking about TLC here.

Also, if you want to get into it, I think they need to drop the charade of "this is a special treat" or "we saved up for this". It is obvious now that they have money, so don't act like I have half a brain. Also, when they show the store name, you can bet that they are getting a freebie. If you can afford to look at "properties" with a horse barn, then I think you can afford to take your kids out for specials days or a shopping trip to Banana Republic Outlet.

my point is that all of these people are making oney for the networks, and the networks are choosing to give them compensation

If J&K were on public assistance, people would be outraged. I would much rather they get their money from figure 8 (or whatever it's called), then the government. Good for Jon, he found away to financially support his family, and he gets to spend a great deal of time with them as well. I wish my dh had that much time home with us. After seeing wht Kate does all day, I can honestly say I am glad she is not my nurse. I just don't see how she could adequately do both. Maybe, once the little ones are in full day school but not now.

I never said that they should get paid for their jobs, I could care less. I just hate when people miss represent themselves. When they say things like we are "documenting" our lives, that puts a certain spin to the show. Plus, when you go asking for "love offerings" you are putting it out there that you need money. If they are getting paid for the show, then they don't need money, right? If people want to hand over their hard earned money to them, that is their business, but then Jon and Kate should go on TV and claim poverty.

 

[DreaGirl]

I am sure Eric Mccormack and Debra Messing could easily afford to buy their own Porsche, why didnt they donate the money to charity instead? People make money in so many different ways, doe s Paris Hilton need 100,000 every time she walks into a club. If people are willing to pay it, why shouldn't she take it. I wouldn't call her a trained professional either. Strike while the iron is hot, fame and money are fleeting

I agree, no one needs that sort of present when you make that large amount of money. How do you know that they didn't donate them to charity or a large money amount after they received the cars.

Paris Hilton is an adult that is making her own choices. She doesn't have 8 kids that walk around with her while she makes her money.

Like I said in a previous post, pay them. Give them money. It doesn't change my life at all.

 

[sha_lyn]

I'm not sure why you are getting so defensive with my reply. Like I said in my previous post, I could care less if they get paid. Pay them what you want, give them 75,000 an episode. But, don't compare them to real actors. They are on a reality show. Plus those shows are on major networks, we are talking about TLC here.

Also, if you want to get into it, I think they need to drop the charade of "this is a special treat" or "we saved up for this". It is obvious now that they have money, so don't act like I have half a brain. Also, when they show the store name, you can bet that they are getting a freebie. If you can afford to look at "properties" with a horse barn, then I think you can afford to take your kids out for specials days or a shopping trip to Banana Republic Outlet.




I never said that they should get paid for their jobs, I could care less. I just hate when people miss represent themselves. When they say things like we are "documenting" our lives, that puts a certain spin to the show. Plus, when you go asking for "love offerings" you are putting it out there that you need money. If they are getting paid for the show, then they don't need money, right? If people want to hand over their hard earned money to them, that is their business, but then Jon and Kate should go on TV and claim poverty.

Freudian slip?

I'm not getting defensive, but I would like for you to answer my question.

 

[DreaGirl]

Did you not see me answer your question? I COULD CARE LESS who gets paid. Give the money to Jon and Kate, give it to the producers, the executives, give it to the bum on the street. I COULD CARE LESS about the money.

Again, why so defensive, it's like you are friends with these people or something.

I'm not sure what you mean by a Freudian slip.

 

[huey duey & luey]

I agree, no one needs that sort of present when you make that large amount of money. How do you know that they didn't donate them to charity or a large money amount after they received the cars.

Paris Hilton is an adult that is making her own choices. She doesn't have 8 kids that walk around with her while she makes her money.

no just those poor defenseless dogs.

As far as the offerings I agree, they should not be passing a plate around. There was a post awile back, stating that those offerings maybe to cover the church cost. I have to say in the later episodesI dont think they have been saying that this is a special treat, that we have saved up for. I dont recall hearing that during the beach episodes or the Utah episode

My whole point is this, I worry now about putting 3 kids theough college at the same time. I can't even imagine doubling that. If someone offered me a way, to secure that, you bet I would jump all over it

 

[DreaGirl]

no just those poor defenseless dogs.

My whole point is this, I worry now about putting 3 kids theough college at the same time. I can't even imagine doubling that. If someone offered me a way, to secure that, you bet I would jump all over it

I do feel bad for those little dogs. They never asked to be dressed up and paraded around.

I worry about college costs too. I have a 2 year old DD and one due any day, so they will be in college at the same time. But, imagine the financial aid they will receive with 8 kids in college. My roomate was one of 4 in college (her siblings were triplets) and they all got a free ride from scholarships, loans, and federal aid.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

Just a quick point...TLC runs the reruns all the time. If you look at just the new episodes, Jon and Kate don't talk anymore about saving for things and they are pretty up front about parks and places making special arrangements for them.

Also, I watched the check drama again...I'm pretty sure Kate torn the check from a checkbook. I guess if I were a conspiracy theorists I would say TLC gave them a checkbook.

I'm surprised by the pp that said he/she couldn't believe that people on this post wouldn't believe things that have been posted and "facts" circulated by many people. Really? I mean it is the internet. How do we know this isn't someone sitting in their underwear in the basement, typing away at their computer. I mean wasn't it on the Disboards a few years ago that some chick had invented a whole identity around being a super rich author. It turns out that wasn't true.

 

[longstangetrip]

My point is, you should really compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. The big bonuses are for professional actors who are trained and paid to memorize and perform a script.

Jon and Kate are regular people who want to document their lives, per their own statements. People who work on documentaries usually aren't paid or are paid very little. If the show is scripted and they are considered actors, then their children fall in the same category. Which means that there are strict rules for child actors.

They can't have it both ways. I could give a flying fig if they get paid or not, but to compare them to real actors is a bit much, don't you think?

I agree. Each time the laws that protect minors are mentioned, someone points out the Gosselin children aren't working. There is financial protection for minors who work too; trusts, etc. Parents have to be the child's advocate or this power is taken away. Are the kids working actors or participants in a reality show, which use to be a documentary, but is now completely contrived? I don't know.

 

[MichelleVW]

well, the starstruck lady on the plane: you really can't go by how Kate acted with her, because there was a camera crew in tow .

Well apparently the camera doesn't make a difference since people say she is rude to people on every episode. Is it that hard to believe that she was nice to a lady who said she enjoyed watching her show?

I'd be more inclined to say that they find the little speech patterns cute and that's why they mimick the kids. I've read threads right here on the DIS where parents share the cute things their kids say, and they write it the way the kid says it. It sounds cuter when it actually sounds the way the kid said it.

I think the way they mimic there speech is cute. I don't see it as making fun of them either . People just want to bash them so they will complain about anything!

 

[huey duey & luey]

just because it is on I have to say, I feel ALOT worse for the poor kids on supernanny, than I do for any of teh Gosseleins. Talk about a tape you don't want your future partner to see

 

[madge]

chick had invented a whole identity around being a super rich author. It turns out that wasn't true.

OMG. Now that's a blast from the past ...

 

[allison443]

just because it is on I have to say, I feel ALOT worse for the poor kids on supernanny, than I do for any of teh Gosseleins. Talk about a tape you don't want your future partner to see

You are right about that!!

 

[rebecca305]

I'm a newbie here so I can't post the link. If you go to Wiki answers and ask "What happened to Kate Gosselin's friend Beth Carson?", the answer is very interesting. Could someone here look it up and post it for me? Thanks! It sounds a lot like what happened to Aunt Jodi.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

That's true. And the reality shows like The Apprentice, Survivor, Big Brother, etc are show-specific.

I still think that's quite an expense for a production company to build a home for a family of 10, without expecting quite a commitment on the part of the Gosselins. I can't imagine that the show has made them so much money they're doing this out of kindness. It's a cable show that's popular... but it's hardly American Idol, M*A*S*H, or the Cosby Show. KWIM?

I've had several friends on American Idol and one who made it to the top three (George Huff...we did opera together!!). They get their perks, too (in response to some stuff regarding "reality tv" vs "real actors"), and they're not "real actors" either.

I've read 3 actual accounts from people, not including Aunt Jodi/Julie's blog and the occasional post from someone who has bumped into JK8 out in public.

One was from the lady that was so starstruck and thrilled to be on the flight with them to Utah. She had very nice things to say about her experience.

The other two were people from Pennsylvania - this new blog and an entry on GWoP last month. Both of them said one thing I thought was interesting ... that they were only sharing parts of their experience. That there were things that have happened that are worse than we've read and it seems as though they are afraid to post any more (they've all but said that) because they know what the consequences are if Jon & Kate find out what they've posted. If you're going to say things like that and have gone as far as to post some things ... why not go ahead and post it all? It's all adding fuel to the fire either way. If someone posting this stuff is that concerned, then maybe they shouldn't be posting anything at all.

I'm wondering what the consequences would be?? What, Kate cuts them out of the family's life? She'll be mean to them? If they're posting the truth, then that's probably already happened. I don't know what you're referring to, of course, but just sayin'...

well, the starstruck lady on the plane: you really can't go by how Kate acted with her, because there was a cameral crew in tow .

As far as why they don't post other things: I would think that people who want to go unnamed (this blogger) would not want ot tell a story that would make it obvious to J&K who the person was. They only tell storied that could be one of many people reporting on.

Then you can't really go by how Kate is any time the camera crew is in tow, which pretty much leaves the "insider" info that no average joe knows is true.

Make the show ONLY about the parents and it works for me. Throw in small children who have no say in the matter and it makes me a little bit ill. Heck lets see J & K on the potty, talk about their "tempers" , mimick their speech stutter etc. and they would deserve it. "Pimping" your kids out like that is just lousy and somewhat selfish. Just my opinion of course.

OK, I'm pretty sure they showed potty time when they were potty training. If you're talking about potty training, there will probably be some potty footage. I saw no more of them than I see of the kids at DS's school when they go potty. Actually, I probably see more of those kids. They're all potty training and like to run around with their pull-ups around their ankles.

Just a quick point...TLC runs the reruns all the time. If you look at just the new episodes, Jon and Kate don't talk anymore about saving for things and they are pretty up front about parks and places making special arrangements for them.

Also, I watched the check drama again...I'm pretty sure Kate torn the check from a checkbook. I guess if I were a conspiracy theorists I would say TLC gave them a checkbook.

I'm surprised by the pp that said he/she couldn't believe that people on this post wouldn't believe things that have been posted and "facts" circulated by many people. Really? I mean it is the internet. How do we know this isn't someone sitting in their underwear in the basement, typing away at their computer. I mean wasn't it on the Disboards a few years ago that some chick had invented a whole identity around being a super rich author. It turns out that wasn't true.

Mental image.

I must have missed that drama!! That's too funny!

 

[ClarabelleCowFan]

Anyone for a game of duck, duck, goose?