Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[3prettyprincesses]

I would love for someone to pay for my family to go to Disneyworld, but I wouldn't love being taped the entire time for the whole world to see.

Good point and one that perfectly illustrates how bizarre Kate and the kids lives are. Yes, they get a free trip to Disney but they have to film it for an episode in order to get it. I wonder if the kids are going to grow up thinking they can go anywhere for vacation so long as mom pitches it as a future Kate+8 episode. I just can't imagine a camera crew following me around on vacation and acting normal. It's weird, isn't it?

 

[mousey]

I'll never forget the episode of J & K when they went to the Globetrotters game. One of the twins was called out on the floor and you knew by Kate's expression that she wanted all the kids out there. Later when they did a meet and greet she kept repeating what one gets they all get--in otherwards, when you give us our free stuff, make sure everyone (the 8) gets it. That was when I realized it wasn't fun to watch anymore. Greed had taken over

 

[DMRick]

Maybe it's because the other family is moving away, that prompted them to do the TV show.

I don't understand what you are saying.

They taped a couple of interviews, a special and 5-6 episodes last year. I think they also taped when she was pregnant from what I've read. That was before they moved. The move away from family, against family wishes was this year. This isn't a new show.

As I said before, let's give it some time before we connect the dots between Bryan and Jenny to J&K. It did take a couple of seasons before J&K became so outrageous with their behavior. But that's JMHO, I would rather be the type of person who gives this new show/couple the benefit of the doubt rather than make assumptions.

The thing is, I've already seen this show, and already they seemed to be so much like the J & K that people didn't like. The picking on him for his weight, the remarks she makes, how (not) thrilled he has seemed about having all these kids (I can't remember..did she have eggs inplanted? If so, just how many did they inplant?).

I'm not sure what the benefit of the doubt is about. You either think the kids are being exploited if the parents are making money off them, or you don't IMO. It shouldn't have anything to do with if the parent thinks they are talented, if it's about if the kids should be on tv. It seems to me that you don't like Kate, so you don't think any of the G's should be on TV. Most others here who are against the show don't think the kids should be on, period. Or at least that's what I thought this was about..all the disagreeing. Now that I see for some that perhaps it's just because of Kate and how you perceive her, and not the kids privacy for you, I understand where you are coming from now.

I don't care if either show is on..I was just curious why someone would think one show was ok over the other. I happen to think they are both very very similar. If I had to say a show was different, in how they act, I'd take the Duggers over either of these, but again, it comes down to the reasons you (this one is a general you) think the G's should not be on the air. If it's just because you don't like Kate, that's different from the kids privacy issues.

 

[DMRick]

I'll never forget the episode of J & K when they went to the Globetrotters game. One of the twins was called out on the floor and you knew by Kate's expression that she wanted all the kids out there. Later when they did a meet and greet she kept repeating what one gets they all get--in otherwards, when you give us our free stuff, make sure everyone (the 8) gets it. That was when I realized it wasn't fun to watch anymore. Greed had taken over

I didn't like when one kid was singled out..and it wouldn't have mattered to me if it was K & J, or the Duggers. I felt bad for the other kids. I had three kids, and I would have felt bad if one had been singled out, although I'm sure some would say it was a life lesson. Wouldn't have stopped me from feeling bad for those not called out.

 

[DMRick]

Do you think they are filmed the entire vacation on these vacations? 24/7?

I hope they get some time when it's just them. I thought they were there for several days..did they film both Disney (I know they were there too) and Discovery Cove for the show? How about the Disney Land vacation..was that taped as well?

Good point and one that perfectly illustrates how bizarre Kate and the kids lives are. Yes, they get a free trip to Disney but they have to film it for an episode in order to get it. I wonder if the kids are going to grow up thinking they can go anywhere for vacation so long as mom pitches it as a future Kate+8 episode. I just can't imagine a camera crew following me around on vacation and acting normal. It's weird, isn't it?

 

[southernbohemian]

Do you think they are filmed the entire vacation on these vacations? 24/7?

I think it might vary a bit. When they went to Disney it seemed like they just showed them arriving at the hotel and going the first day, but they stayed for a bunch of days after that off camera. I think that is fine. But then when they went to the beach, it seemed like they made 4 episodes out of that one vacation, so they were probably never off camera.

 

[Dee77]

I don't understand what you are saying.

They taped a couple of interviews, a special and 5-6 episodes last year. I think they also taped when she was pregnant from what I've read. That was before they moved. The move away from family, against family wishes was this year. This isn't a new show.



The thing is, I've already seen this show, and already they seemed to be so much like the J & K that people didn't like. The picking on him for his weight, the remarks she makes, how (not) thrilled he has seemed about having all these kids (I can't remember..did she have eggs inplanted? If so, just how many did they inplant?).

I'm not sure what the benefit of the doubt is about. You either think the kids are being exploited if the parents are making money off them, or you don't IMO. It shouldn't have anything to do with if the parent thinks they are talented, if it's about if the kids should be on tv. It seems to me that you don't like Kate, so you don't think any of the G's should be on TV. Most others here who are against the show don't think the kids should be on, period. Or at least that's what I thought this was about..all the disagreeing. Now that I see for some that perhaps it's just because of Kate and how you perceive her, and not the kids privacy for you, I understand where you are coming from now.
I don't care if either show is on..I was just curious why someone would think one show was ok over the other. I happen to think they are both very very similar. If I had to say a show was different, in how they act, I'd take the Duggers over either of these, but again, it comes down to the reasons you (this one is a general you) think the G's should not be on the air. If it's just because you don't like Kate, that's different from the kids privacy issues.

My point about the move possibly being a factor in doing a series on TV is influenced by several factors. Bryan took the Series 7 exam which to me seems like a new career chapter, I only read about it on the fact sheet that was posted, so who knows when he committed to a career choice like this. They also lived with her parents and that also was explained on the fact sheet, I would think they chose to do this for financial reasons. To me, with the resources they had available to them where they previously lived must have been outweighed by the benefits of moving to a new state. Moving is not a decision that is made overnight so my interpretation is that it was planned a while ago and the TV series certainly offers a lot of advantages either way.

As for the Gosselins exploiting their children and me believing that children should not be on TV period well that's an exaggeration. You clearly do not know where I am coming from. I could care less if every family in America got a TV show. What I have a problem with is the history of how J&K got started with all of their high expectations for people carrying the burden of supporting their family (which was not brought out publicly until well into the series) and the fact that they still do not have a clue how all of this is affecting the children or seem to be concerned about it. I also take issue with the overwhelming degree to which caring, loving people who were a huge part of the kids lives have been yanked away from them, all because J&K had no use for them anymore or because they started expressing their disgust with what was going on.. Also- if they were not forced to stop filming last year, they would have continued showing the most vulnerable aspects of the children's lives, the coping with divorce, that I have a problem with. And guess what, it was short lived, what with the new series and her over the top book. Couple all of this along with Kate's attitude of how she did/does everything on her own and how she believes that no one could possibly understand because no one else has 8 kids yada, yada, yada, it doesn't help her cause in my book. Looking at how someone else speaks to their husband and drawing a distinct parallel to Kate and Jon well to be honest, I think that's just reaching. Let's compare Kate to Kate, her tone with Jon was ironically similar to Tony on DWTS, seems like she still hasn't realized just how poorly she treats people. So that in a nutshell is my opinion on the matter.

 

[C.Ann]

I could care less if every family in America got a TV show. What I have a problem with is the history of how J&K got started with all of their high expectations for people carrying the burden of supporting their family (which was not brought out publicly until well into the series) and the fact that they still do not have a clue how all of this is affecting the children or seem to be concerned about it. I also take issue with the overwhelming degree to which caring, loving people who were a huge part of the kids lives have been yanked away from them, all because J&K had no use for them anymore or because they started expressing their disgust with what was going on.. Also- if they were not forced to stop filming last year, they would have continued showing the most vulnerable aspects of the children's lives, the coping with divorce, that I have a problem with. And guess what, it was short lived, what with the new series and her over the top book. Couple all of this along with Kate's attitude of how she did/does everything on her own and how she believes that no one could possibly understand because no one else has 8 kids yada, yada, yada, it doesn't help her cause in my book. Looking at how someone else speaks to their husband and drawing a distinct parallel to Kate and Jon well to be honest, I think that's just reaching. Let's compare Kate to Kate, her tone with Jon was ironically similar to Tony on DWTS, seems like she still hasn't realized just how poorly she treats people. So that in a nutshell is my opinion on the matter.

Excellent post.. There are many, many people who feel exactly the same way that you do - thus the strong desire for the Gosselin kids to be off the air and left to live in peace and privacy - rather than having to be the sole source of the family income..

If Kate - or Jon - could be successful at something - anything - that didn't include their children having to work in order for the family to survive, I would be all for it.. They (J&K) could each have ten shows - movie deals galore - write hundreds of books - anything that doesn't include using/selling their kids - and I would never have another word to say about them.. My concern is for the kids.. I have no concerns for 2 adults who "should" be able to take care of themselves and provide for their children via their own employment..

For those of us who are opposed to the Gosselin children being put up for sale yet again, the best we can do is to not watch the show; contact TLC and the sponsors to voice our displeasure; and pray that the show will be a huge failure.. Don't forget that old saying - "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.." Make sure your voice is heard..

 

[southernbohemian]

Like Kate's appearance on Dancing with the Stars?

 

[C.Ann]

Like Kate's appearance on Dancing with the Stars?

I didn't watch it (although I caught a short clip on The View or something), but if she earned money without those poor little kids having to work, she can dance her heart out from now until doomsday..

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Do you think they are filmed the entire vacation on these vacations? 24/7?

I hope they get some time when it's just them. I thought they were there for several days..did they film both Disney (I know they were there too) and Discovery Cove for the show? How about the Disney Land vacation..was that taped as well?

I don't know if they're filmed the entire vacation. But the fact that they're only there because of the film crew, I'd find that annoying and difficult to ignore. It's weird to me but maybe it's more that I'm a private person and the idea of having a film crew trailing behind me at Disney seems ludicrous. Imagine the check list for such a thing:

Kids in the van, check!
Suitcases, check!
Snacks, check!
Film crew, check, check!

Don't you wonder how the kids feel about that? I do. It's like, come on kids we're going to Disney but make sure you all smile, look cute and say what the director tells you. I have a feeling it takes a whole lot of filming to get one episode. Didn't Michelle Duggar say something to that effect, that she was surprised how long you have to film and then only end up with a 1/2 hour episode? I don't know, it just makes me wonder too if the kids are able to be themselves. We know they get directions from the film crew/director, the Dept. of Labor even acknowledged that. Wouldn't it be nice for them to be on vacation and not worry about the cameras?

 

[DMRick]

You are correct, I did not know where you are coming from. Most people on this thread, have lead me to believe they did not want the children on a tv show. Not just these children, but any child that was put under what they felt was pressure to 'act' in a tv show.

That you don't care if any family's were on TV tells me a lot. That's way different from what I have been reading from many others.

Your problem appears to be with Kate and Jon, and their interaction with their families - of which we really know very little, but even what we did know, only included Jody and Kevin, right from the begining - and not if the kids are paid, have breaks, are shown during private times, are overworked (because on the other show I was discussing, those are the same issues that I would be worried about on this other series, and I did watch the entire other series and there is a distinct parallel to Kate and Jon and I am far from being alone in seeing this.)Those are the issues I have with kids on TV, and anyones kids, not just the kids of someone that people may hate. I am hoping that there will be people overseeing this new show of the G's. That's something I agree with others on this thread about. I am glad that PA stepped up to the plate and wish they had made it a rule that the kids needed an independent person there to oversee while taping.

And Many many people have posted that the kids, not Kate and Jon are the issues they have. There really are some people on this thread that don't agree with you, that believe that no child should be on TV without protection.

And just like the new show, the G's kids are not the sole source of their income anymore. But even when Kate tries to do something without the kids, some people are not happy. I am, and I hope she is successful in another field.

In the shows of the other tups, I never saw them living with the mother's parents, the parents would come to their house to babysit. I must have missed one of the series, although I thought I saw them all.

As for the Gosselins exploiting their children and me believing that children should not be on TV period well that's an exaggeration. You clearly do not know where I am coming from. I could care less if every family in America got a TV show. .

 

[DMRick]

I Wouldn't it be nice for them to be on vacation and not worry about the cameras?

Yes it would be. I understand the vacations for the show, but I do think it would also be nice if they also had private vacations. I don't know if they had any before the media blitz started last February, but I'm pretty sure if they tried to have one now, we would know about it.

 

[DMRick]

Excellent post.. There are many, many people who feel exactly the same way that you do - thus the strong desire for the Gosselin kids to be off the air and left to live in peace and privacy - rather than having to be the sole source of the family income..

So, would it be ok if they aren't the sole source..such as if, well, maybe one of their parents brought in $500,000 by going on DWTS? Or started a TV series, maybe with the name of oh say, a Twist of Kate (without the kids)? That's a lot more than the parents bring in working in the other series (which is what we were discussing, that there is now another series with 6 kids and why is that ok) but do most here think that show is ok, even though it also shows some personal moments of the kids and those kids are being followed around?

My concern is for the kids.. I have no concerns for 2 adults who "should" be able to take care of themselves and provide for their children via their own employment..
For those of us who are opposed to the Gosselin children being put up for sale yet again, the best we can do is to not watch the show;

So, since you said her post was excellent, are you saying that it's just the Gosselin kids who shouldn't be providing money to their parents by being on TV? She said she didn't care if other families were on TV.

Some of you folks are sure confusing me tonight, although I do agree and have said it myself. Don't watch the show if you object. And I have always added to that, that I believe as long as the sponsors see that people are still talking about K & J and the kids, and writing about them on all the blogs, they will continue the show and the interviews. If more people stop watching and paying attention than those that watch and talk about it, it will die. But that just isn't happening. Way too much interest in Kate, which I just don't get, from those who don't like her.

 

[Dee77]

You are correct, I did not know where you are coming from. Most people on this thread, have lead me to believe they did not want the children on a tv show. Not just these children, but any child that was put under what they felt was pressure to 'act' in a tv show.

That you don't care if any family's were on TV tells me a lot. That's way different from what I have been reading from many others.

Your problem appears to be with Kate and Jon, and their interaction with their families - of which we really know very little, but even what we did know, only included Jody and Kevin, right from the begining - and not if the kids are paid, have breaks, are shown during private times, are overworked (because on the other show I was discussing, those are the same issues that I would be worried about on this other series, and I did watch the entire other series and there is a distinct parallel to Kate and Jon and I am far from being alone in seeing this.)Those are the issues I have with kids on TV, and anyones kids, not just the kids of someone that people may hate. I am hoping that there will be people overseeing this new show of the G's. That's something I agree with others on this thread about. I am glad that PA stepped up to the plate and wish they had made it a rule that the kids needed an independent person there to oversee while taping.

And Many many people have posted that the kids, not Kate and Jon are the issues they have. There really are some people on this thread that don't agree with you, that believe that no child should be on TV without protection.

And just like the new show, the G's kids are not the sole source of their income anymore. But even when Kate tries to do something without the kids, some people are not happy. I am, and I hope she is successful in another field.
In the shows of the other tups, I never saw them living with the mother's parents, the parents would come to their house to babysit. I must have missed one of the series, although I thought I saw them all.

If there weren't any kids on TV acting whatever would people discuss!!!

As for the Gosselins kids not being the sole source of income anymore, it has to be said that the entire basis for Kate's income is the children. Both of them stopped working and made it very clear that they made the show and all that went with it, their jobs!! Someone with that mentality along with her less than redeeming personality is not someone I wish success, and I am so pleased that her embarrassing stint on DWTS only lasted a few weeks.

 

[DMRick]

If there weren't any kids on TV acting whatever would people discuss!!!

As for the Gosselins kids not being the sole source of income anymore, it has to be said that the entire basis for Kate's income is the children. Both of them stopped working and made it very clear that they made the show and all that went with it, their jobs!! Someone with that mentality along with her less than redeeming personality is not someone I wish success, and I am so pleased that her embarrassing stint on DWTS only lasted a few weeks.

Well, there we definately differ. I do wish her (and Jon, if he comes up with a job) success in her endeavors. I'm not sure when Kate stopped working, since I'm sure the show was work for her, and I hope she does find her niche, and will be able to support her children without a lot of changes in their lives, once the show is off the air, which unless people keep talking it up, will prob not be too far in the future. Yes, they did make this show their job, just like others on TV have done. This show was successful, and apparently the money doing the show was more than the money they earned at their jobs. 8 kids is a lot of kids to leave at home while two people work...and since they did have the show, they made choices. Maybe different from what you would have made, but it was their choice. If they had gotten along better, and respected each other, if no one had strayed, if things had been different and the show continued to be successful, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But I think that is what reality shows do to people. And it's a shame.

The new tups mom has also stated that she would like to stay home. If they keep having their children on TV, her wish will prob come true, because they will have earned enough money by taping the kids. Although I think a lot of people are on to this type of show now, and unless people watch it for the train wreck affect, I doubt it will last long. Heck she doesn't even have organizational skills to share with us, although I did think the idea of tossing the kids food directly on the table and skipping the paper plates can be a money saver LOL.
(I couldn't find anything that showed during the show that they lived with the parents, not that it matters, since I"m not sure what that woudl have had to do with anything)

 

[mousey]

Children and animals don't fare well after a show has ended (this also includes movies). I don't know a child star who isn't scarred in someway. When all the shows were filmed involving live monkey's they ended up in some sanctuary (because of the kindness of people who felt they were exploited)because they were not pets. Some had miserable lives in a circus.
Haven't the Gosselin children been filmed enough for kids their age? Why does their fame driven mother realize that she is suppose to support them and not vice versa. J & K had its run and its over. We don't need Kate +8. Write a book and tell how life is after a tv show ends and a divorce. I don't care if the Gosselin's go to Disney or Discovery Cove. I don't care if their mother has less clothes on than a stripper at Discovery Cove. Give us all a break and just fade away. TLC is a loser network anyways and 90% of these shows won't last.

 

[Dee77]

Well, there we definately differ. I do wish her (and Jon, if he comes up with a job) success in her endeavors. I'm not sure when Kate stopped working, since I'm sure the show was work for her, and I hope she does find her niche, and will be able to support her children without a lot of changes in their lives, once the show is off the air, which unless people keep talking it up, will prob not be too far in the future. Yes, they did make this show their job, just like others on TV have done. This show was successful, and apparently the money doing the show was more than the money they earned at their jobs. 8 kids is a lot of kids to leave at home while two people work...and since they did have the show, they made choices. Maybe different from what you would have made, but it was their choice. If they had gotten along better, and respected each other, if no one had strayed, if things had been different and the show continued to be successful, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But I think that is what reality shows do to people. And it's a shame.

The new tups mom has also stated that she would like to stay home. If they keep having their children on TV, her wish will prob come true, because they will have earned enough money by taping the kids. Although I think a lot of people are on to this type of show now, and unless people watch it for the train wreck affect, I doubt it will last long. Heck she doesn't even have organizational skills to share with us, although I did think the idea of tossing the kids food directly on the table and skipping the paper plates can be a money saver LOL.
(I couldn't find anything that showed during the show that they lived with the parents, not that it matters, since I"m not sure what that woudl have had to do with anything)

Your tone about how the on the new show, the Mom doesn't even have organizational skills to share comes across like a major dig at her. Kate certainly did have some mad organizational skills but then again she also has a less than desirable personality. Remember the new houskeeper that worked for literally one day and was fired because she didn't wipe down the TV stand and behind a hallway hamper??? I guess Kate could have had another career choice to fall back on with this but who would want to hear how to keep house when it would be quickly followed by a "and you don't even have 8 kids!!"
As for the Masche family living with her parents, that was posted by you on the fact sheet several pages ago. It is anyone's guess why they did that, I would imagine it had to do with finances.

 

[Dee77]

Children and animals don't fare well after a show has ended (this also includes movies). I don't know a child star who isn't scarred in someway. When all the shows were filmed involving live monkey's they ended up in some sanctuary (because of the kindness of people who felt they were exploited)because they were not pets. Some had miserable lives in a circus.
Haven't the Gosselin children been filmed enough for kids their age? Why does their fame driven mother realize that she is suppose to support them and not vice versa. J & K had its run and its over. We don't need Kate +8. Write a book and tell how life is after a tv show ends and a divorce. I don't care if the Gosselin's go to Disney or Discovery Cove. I don't care if their mother has less clothes on than a stripper at Discovery Cove. Give us all a break and just fade away. TLC is a loser network anyways and 90% of these shows won't last.

It is few and far between that you find a child star that isn't adversely affected by their childhoods in the media spotlight. Only time will tell, the difference between child actors and reality show children, since reality shows starring children who eventually become the spectacle for paparazzi, the internet etc is only prevalent in recent years.

 

[DMRick]

Not a dig..just the truth, as you will hear her say, when you watch it, or maybe it was one of the interviews she held. She said she wasn't into organization, but more free throw. She really doesn't have a lot to share (and I'm not saying Kate has more, just that it is what it is).

I went back and looked at the fact sheet. I apologize if it is there, that they lived with Jen's mom, but I couldn't find it. How far down the fact sheet is it, do you remember? I totally missed it. In any case, if it said they lived with her parents, that was not during the show. Perhaps when the kids first came home? Did it say when?

Your tone about how the on the new show, the Mom doesn't even have organizational skills to share comes across like a major dig at her.
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As for the Masche family living with her parents, that was posted by you on the fact sheet several pages ago. It is anyone's guess why they did that, I would imagine it had to do with finances.