Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[talulabelle]

Does your friend go around saying how hard she works, how much she is sacrificing and everything she does is for the kids? Does she go on and on about having to put food on the table, and how she has to work although she would rather be home baking cookies. (while having a staff of nannies, personal assistants, household help and a bodyguard)?

Why is Jon not a responsible parent?

 

[kidshop]

Oh, and I forgot while receiving 20,000 a month from the co-parent.

 

[talulabelle]

I don't understand all this Kate bashing going on. I understand it was very clear years ago that she would never have a nanny and one parent would always be at home. However, haven't all of you voiced your negative view on something and have it come back to bite you? I don't know one person (myself included) who didn't shoot her mouth off before kids, how "my kids will never act like that, etc." Also, I was married for 16 years before my ex walked out on me. In those 16 years I said, "I will never work, my kids won't stay in the afterschool program, I'd never be a working mom, blah, blah" Guess what? Situations change and now I work and my kids are in the program blah blah.

What is different about Kate than say a very successful business woman who is single and has to go out of town on business? That woman relies on a nanny, yet no one thinks poorly of the woman. Why can't Kate be given the same regard? She isn't leaving the kids alone, she isn't in bars, she isn't leaving them with a 12 year old.

Kate got a taste of "the good life" and she is trying to hang on to it. I'm trying to hang on to my life too. I don't live like Kate, but my ex provided for us pretty well. I live in a nice home, with a new car and we vacationed yearly. I'm trying hard not to let that go. I could sell my house and cars, and I may have to someday, but until then I'm hanging on and why, "for my kids" It's not fair to them that we leave their home and friends and move to a smaller house/apartment. Kate feels her kids deserve and need their house/school and she doesn't want things to change.

I applaud her for doing what ever it takes to make a buck. She is doing nothing wrong in my opinion. Jon is a looser. He was when they were filming and he's a bigger one now. Kate should give him temporary custody of those kids. He'd have them back in a heart beat. He just doesn't want to pay for them. He should be the one out there hustling and doing what it takes to provide for those kids.

My rant is over. I can't read this thread anymore because it makes me angry to see how people criticize someone who is down. You don't have to like Kate as a person or the things that she has done. But, give the women some credit for trying to keep it all together.

I do give the woman credit for doing whatever it takes to support the kids (as long as it doesn't involve exploiting the kids) So I have not been critical of her on DWTS (other than her horrible dancing) I actually feel sorry for her, becasue if I was so hard up that I had to embarrass myself like that in order to feed my kids...well...lets just say I feel sorry for her., and I do understand all of the points you have mentioned (shooting mouth off before kids etc) With most people, them changing on what they said wouldn't bother me, but most people would be much more humble about it and admit and say, "guess what, I had no clue what I was talking about" But what makes me nuts about Kate is her absolute void of humility. She doesn't say "well, when I thought we would be married forever that was my goal" and back when she was saying it she wasn't saying "I feel so fortunate that we are able to always have a parent home at all times, not everyone is as lucky as me" She said it very "holier than thou" and acted like she knew more than anyone else. She acted like anyone who didn't have a parent home 24/7 was a lesser parent than her. And she continues that attitude. She is not genuine. She isn't a happy go lucky mom out having fun on DWTS and making money for the family at the same time...she is a sour-pussed know-it-all out scraping up whatever attention she can get before it all goes away, and bossing everyone in her path at the same time.

 

[rileyroosmom]

I would say most working parents do say they would rather be home baking cookies. Most parents would rather be home with their kids, but some one has to pay the bills. Most working parents I know do have nannies, housekeepers and landscapers.

I really don't see Kate saying those things. Yes she says she is a mother, yes she says she has to work. Her "celebrity" is that she is a mother of twins/sextuplets. People are going to ask her about her kids and how she is handling them. Just like people ask actors what their next movie is about.

If a judge told Jon to pay $20,000/month, then that is what he deemed fit based on Jon's income. Is Jon even paying that money? I doubt it. So even though it is said he should pay, Kate is probably not seeing any of that money.

Hollywood actors/actresses pay their spouses outrageous child support monthly. Jon and Kate were getting paid a lot of money at one point. Child support was based on the money they were making at the time of the divorce. Jon should dance/write a book/beg for a tv show, whatever, to provide for his kids. Oh yeah, he'd rather date 20 somethings, spend his money on crap and when it runs out....sleep on his brother's couch. Yeah, he is a MUCH better parent that Kate.

 

[madge]

What is different about Kate than say a very successful business woman who is single and has to go out of town on business? That woman relies on a nanny, yet no one thinks poorly of the woman. Why can't Kate be given the same regard?

the difference?

the business woman is just that, a business woman. She hasn't tried to build an empire on the premise that she's just like all the other moms out there. The business woman has likely not displayed the details of her children's lives to the world.

 

[rileyroosmom]

I do give the woman credit for doing whatever it takes to support the kids (as long as it doesn't involve exploiting the kids) So I have not been critical of her on DWTS (other than her horrible dancing) I actually feel sorry for her, becasue if I was so hard up that I had to embarrass myself like that in order to feed my kids...well...lets just say I feel sorry for her., and I do understand all of the points you have mentioned (shooting mouth off before kids etc) With most people, them changing on what they said wouldn't bother me, but most people would be much more humble about it and admit and say, "guess what, I had no clue what I was talking about" But what makes me nuts about Kate is her absolute void of humility. She doesn't say "well, when I thought we would be married forever that was my goal" and back when she was saying it she wasn't saying "I feel so fortunate that we are able to always have a parent home at all times, not everyone is as lucky as me" She said it very "holier than thou" and acted like she knew more than anyone else. She acted like anyone who didn't have a parent home 24/7 was a lesser parent than her. And she continues that attitude. She is not genuine. She isn't a happy go lucky mom out having fun on DWTS and making money for the family at the same time...she is a sour-pussed know-it-all out scraping up whatever attention she can get before it all goes away, and bossing everyone in her path at the same time.

I'm not saying Kate is necessarily a nice person. I know nothing about her. I too wish she would come across more humble. I will say she seems like a strong headed person who believes she is always right. I think she has hard time admitting she is wrong (although a quote from her new book has her saying she wish she was kinder to Jon and handled things better).

Remember, her parents did not support her decision to have the sextuplets and they were not there for her. How would that change you as a person to have no support from your parents? Her brother and sister in law turned on her and said horrible things about her for all the world to hear. Your marriage falls apart and your ex dates his "soul mate" and tells the world about it. If those things happened to me, I too might be a nontrusting person who puts up walls, therefore coming across as *****y.

She is not the nicest person I have ever seen, but she loves her kids, has stuck with them and is desperate to provide for them.

 

[DVCisME]

She is raising her children! She is gone 3 days a week for DWTS. She has a dance studio in her home. Who sits with their children 24/7? Part of raising your children is providing monetarily for them, that means a job. The funny thing to me is, Kate would still have to have a nanny/day care provider to take care of her kids if she was working as a nurse/McDonald's employee/secretary. What ever she works at, someone has to be with those kids while she works 10 hours (allowing commute time) and all summer and school vacations. That doesn't mean she (and every other working mother, single or not) isn't raising them. She is providing for them best she can.

Honestly, if someone gave me $200,000 to come and dance, I might do it to. For those of you without a spouse/and a job, and kids to raise, thank your lucky stars each night because until you have been there you have no idea about it.

I don't disagree she is proving for them, but parenting... I also think a lot of people find fault in Kate because her and Jon did not reveal all their "help" while showing America their "reality".

 

[rileyroosmom]

I saw their help during the reality show. I saw her interviewing housekeepers. I saw her having mother helpers and friends watching them. I could see that there were other people there. She even said on the Disney trip she was glad the film crew was there to stay with sleeping kids while the brought the kids to their hotel room. I knew there was help.


Madge: I don't consider their tv exploiting their kids. Once upon a time, someone thought it was an interesting tv idea. Gosselins went along with it, exposing their lives. I don't see it as exploiting. Would I have agreed to it? Probably not, but to each their own. How come Gosselins are exploiting, but the Duggars, Roloffs, the other couple who had sextuplets (jenny and ?), the show where the parents are dwarfs but their baby isn't all those families aren't exploiting? I think people just generally don't like Kate and therefore attack her. What about those ridiculous shows Wife Swap and the Nanny show? Those people are exploiting their kids. The premise of those shows are look how horrible our kids are and look what a ridiculous parent I am. Those shows should be off the air.

 

[kidshop]

the difference?

the business woman is just that, a business woman. She hasn't tried to build an empire on the premise that she's just like all the other moms out there. The business woman has likely not displayed the details of her children's lives to the world.

This. It's that simple and you state it so well.

Can we please not forget that Kate kicked Jon out in Oct 2008? She told him it was over and they have both concurred to this.

 

[madge]

Madge: I don't consider their tv exploiting their kids. Once upon a time, someone thought it was an interesting tv idea. Gosselins went along with it, exposing their lives. I don't see it as exploiting. Would I have agreed to it? Probably not, but to each their own. How come Gosselins are exploiting, but the Duggars, Roloffs, the other couple who had sextuplets (jenny and ?), the show where the parents are dwarfs but their baby isn't all those families aren't exploiting? I think people just generally don't like Kate and therefore attack her. What about those ridiculous shows Wife Swap and the Nanny show? Those people are exploiting their kids. The premise of those shows are look how horrible our kids are and look what a ridiculous parent I am. Those shows should be off the air.

I don't think I said that the Gosselins are the only family who exploit their children. I think they all are. Don't get me started on the Duggars... LOL

I also did not use the word exploit. I used the word displayed.

 

[kidshop]

I saw their help during the reality show. I saw her interviewing housekeepers. I saw her having mother helpers and friends watching them. I could see that there were other people there. She even said on the Disney trip she was glad the film crew was there to stay with sleeping kids while the brought the kids to their hotel room. I knew there was help.


Madge: I don't consider their tv exploiting their kids. Once upon a time, someone thought it was an interesting tv idea. Gosselins went along with it, exposing their lives. I don't see it as exploiting. Would I have agreed to it? Probably not, but to each their own. How come Gosselins are exploiting, but the Duggars, Roloffs, the other couple who had sextuplets (jenny and ?), the show where the parents are dwarfs but their baby isn't all those families aren't exploiting? I think people just generally don't like Kate and therefore attack her. What about those ridiculous shows Wife Swap and the Nanny show? Those people are exploiting their kids. The premise of those shows are look how horrible our kids are and look what a ridiculous parent I am. Those shows should be off the air.

I do think all of those people are exploiting their kids, and that kids on reality show should be highly regulated and the kids should be paid as individuals at the very least. I think the Duggar's have turned the corner to equal the G's in the exploitation department when they filmed the life or death birth of Josie. They are selling their kids just the same.

 

[rileyroosmom]

I can't stand the Duggars! What a train wreck those people are!

 

[madge]

I can't stand the Duggars! What a train wreck those people are!

and what they're doing to their children is no different than Jon and Kate.

 

[DMRick]

She does say she wishes she had more time to be with them. but their medical needs and adoption costs come at a high cost. Maybe Kate feels she is sacrificing. Do you know that she isn't, or that she wouldn't like to be home making cookies with her children? Do you know their financial needs right now, or how much money is left?

I see Jon as a person who is finally free to live his life, those 20's he missed out on. At least that was what he said. Until he lost it (or gave it up, depending on which rag mag is to be believed), he chose to live in NY, instead of close to his children. He chose to hang with unsavory people, the likes I would not want near my children. To me (and ymmv) that is irresponsbile.

Does your friend go around saying how hard she works, how much she is sacrificing and everything she does is for the kids? Does she go on and on about having to put food on the table, and how she has to work although she would rather be home baking cookies. (while having a staff of nannies, personal assistants, household help and a bodyguard)?

Why is Jon not a responsible parent?

 

[DMRick]

You are bringing up some really good points.

I guess for me, I never believed she was doing it all herself, so it never bothered me that she wasn't LOL.

I know I have said, (at the top of my lungs LOL) I have to do everything in this house, but in reality, I should have been saying, if I wanted everything to be done right, I should have done it myself LOL. Bu tif someone heard me, they would think I do everything, but even though it felt that way when I had 3 teens at the same time, I didn't.

I saw their help during the reality show. I saw her interviewing housekeepers. I saw her having mother helpers and friends watching them. I could see that there were other people there. She even said on the Disney trip she was glad the film crew was there to stay with sleeping kids while the brought the kids to their hotel room. I knew there was help.

 

[DVCisME]

I don't remember them showing a cook. The housekeeper she highered di not work out on tv...
There are other ways to make a living where she could be home more. Maybe they are not choices she likes. The same can be said of Jon.
I don't see it as just Kate bashing. I think that people are critical of them because they not only put it out there, they wave it in one's face.

 

[DMRick]

She said on the days they filmed, the food was provided by TLC, so I knew she wasn't cooking every night. Many here said they filmed some each day, so I guess she didn't have to worry about cooking, except the times we saw her, such as the grill night. I assumed she had a housekeeper, and I thought at one time she said she did (not the one that did a lousy job) but I don't remember seeing one.

I don't remember them showing a cook. The housekeeper she highered di not work out on tv..

 

[talulabelle]

I would say most working parents do say they would rather be home baking cookies. Most parents would rather be home with their kids, but some one has to pay the bills. Most working parents I know do have nannies, housekeepers and landscapers.

I really don't see Kate saying those things. Yes she says she is a mother, yes she says she has to work. Her "celebrity" is that she is a mother of twins/sextuplets. People are going to ask her about her kids and how she is handling them. Just like people ask actors what their next movie is about.

If a judge told Jon to pay $20,000/month, then that is what he deemed fit based on Jon's income. Is Jon even paying that money? I doubt it. So even though it is said he should pay, Kate is probably not seeing any of that money.

Hollywood actors/actresses pay their spouses outrageous child support monthly. Jon and Kate were getting paid a lot of money at one point. Child support was based on the money they were making at the time of the divorce. Jon should dance/write a book/beg for a tv show, whatever, to provide for his kids. Oh yeah, he'd rather date 20 somethings, spend his money on crap and when it runs out....sleep on his brother's couch. Yeah, he is a MUCH better parent that Kate.

Didn't say he wasn't a loser at life, just that he isn't an unfit parent. When he is with the kids, he is a good father from what we have seen anyway. Not unfit anyway. Not as nasty as Kate used to be to them. As far as being unemployed, I think he was sort of unitentionaly set up for that by Kate. He had a job. She had them begging all over for stuff when she was expecting the 6 and looking for handouts and he was laid off. Then she wanted him home because we all know she has never been able to do it all herself. She made the show his job and he said he didn't want that. Then out of desperation and some sort of mid-life crisis and freedom from Kate he makes a @$$ out of himself and now he is basically unemployable. However, I woudl LOVE to see him on DWTS next!

 

[talulabelle]

I can't stand the Duggars! What a train wreck those people are!

SO funny, because even though they have their kids on TV, I can't help but love them! I have learned so much from them about frugality. I don't want to live life as they do, but I think it is so neat they way they live. I just feel they are genuine.

 

[talulabelle]

the difference?

the business woman is just that, a business woman. She hasn't tried to build an empire on the premise that she's just like all the other moms out there. The business woman has likely not displayed the details of her children's lives to the world.

nor does a business woman need to exploit her children to "provide" for them. I personally feel the providing is for Kate...but whatever way you look at it, the kids were horribly exploited.