Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[kidshop]

Kate talked to Tony like she did Jon and he left her standing in the studio ("I don't understand" (cry, wipe, cry, wipe, etc). They made up "alot of people in my life have left me"(hug it out ).
They danced really badly week 2 to Elton John's I'm Still Standing. Kate didn't know the steps but just kept bouncing. They were safe the next night and Kate screamed like a banshee and nearly took Tony out. Kate's expressions were very, very unusual. Bye bye Shannen

Tony tweets "Paso will be great" Real life Paso= Kate "dances" to Paparazzi for therapy after acting coach in PA determines she's backed up (or was it bottled up?)

Kate is safe, Buzz is out. The hair and makeup people surely were scolded and Kate looked good on results night 2.

Jon is filing a missing mother kind of lawsuit.
Hope this helps .

Backed up? She needed a coach to tell her that? that's funny! I'm guessing it didn't work?

thanks! I'm trying to catch up, I'm interested to learn about Jon's suit.

 

[madge]

new book details:

http://www.popeater.com/2010/04/07/kate-gosslin-book/

 

[OhMari]

Maybe since she is only there for 2-3 nights, it's cheaper to get a hotel room, than rent a trailer? Or because she has Steve and they would have to get him a room anyway?

I can't believe you said that,
I know it is going to come out sometime about her and Steve together.

I was on the treadmill at the YMCA and across Fox's ticker, it said Kate Gosselin is fighting back and saying Jon spent weeks at a time gone the last two months and was not with his kids. Jon was suppose to go to court today to get better custody and lower his child support. This was Kate's counter attack.

 

[DMRick]

Oops..What did I say? The each have a room, so I assume if they gave her a trailer, they would still have to pay for his room, so they might as well pay for both. As in, they wouldn't both stay in a trailer..they only have one bedroom.
I have never thought her and Stever were a romantic pair. He seems to be happily married.

I can't believe you said that,
I know it is going to come out sometime about her and Steve together.

I was on the treadmill at the YMCA and across Fox's ticker, it said Kate Gosselin is fighting back and saying Jon spent weeks at a time gone the last two months and was not with his kids. Jon was suppose to go to court today to get better custody and lower his child support. This was Kate's counter attack.

 

[DMRick]

How long was she there for?
Do you think Steve is like a wedding planner..everything goes through them, so as to not upset or confuse the bride (or Kate in this case)? And he would make decisions on what things she had to be concerned with?

I've heard (so take it FWIW, after all .. it was a year ago) similar stories about when she was here.

 

[madge]

How long was she there for?
Do you think Steve is like a wedding planner..everything goes through them, so as to not upset or confuse the bride (or Kate in this case)? And he would make decisions on what things she had to be concerned with?

I don't think that's it ... the wedding planner analogy, at least not when she was here. It might be for DWTS. I have no idea.

I'm not going to get into the specifics that I've heard about Kate's speaking engagement. I'm not naming my sources, because they're not "sources" to me .. they're friends .. and I don't have their permission to share what's been said. I will say that when I read articles about Kate's behavior in other places, it's not unlike what I've heard here. And I know it was a year ago, but with Kate on DWTS, people are talking about her speaking engagement here just like it was last week. (it's a small town, her visit was big doin's ... what can I say? ) And a year later, it's still mostly not good. I know one person -- a mom at my DD's dance class -- who liked Kate before and still likes her now. I'm certain she's voting for her on DWTS. LOL.

Here's one thing. I don't specifically remember Steve being with her when she was here. She wasn't alone (which I know is factual from several people) but I didn't see Steve, so I'm not sure that he was with her that day. I'm pretty sure I'd remember seeing him or hearing he was here. LOL

 

[DMRick]

How long was she there for, that people would need to go through someone? I'm not asking for specific's, because you and I have talked privately about our 'sources' and I understand where you are coming from. I'm more curious about what types of things (like autographs?) people wanted from her, but had to go through someone else.
I know when the beach Boys were in Syracuse last year in a small venue, we were talking to one of them, just like they were friends, but along came a guy, and grabbed him, and told us if we wanted anything to see him and led him away. We thought that was strange since they had set up an area just for visiting. Some of the people around us were angry and said with what they paid for the tickets, they should have been able to chat with them. Of course once the concert was over, neither of the two Beach Boys seemed all that coherent and we couldn't have had a conversation with either of them. We did get some nice pictures though before the bodyguard came.
Unlike at Disney, when they talked to all of us right up to the next show in Epcot.

I don't think that's it ... the wedding planner analogy, at least not when she was here. It might be for DWTS. I have no idea.

I'm not going to get into the specifics that I've heard about Kate's speaking engagement. I'm not naming my sources, because they're not "sources" to me .. they're friends .. and I don't have their permission to share what's been said.

 

[madge]

How long was she there for, that people would need to go through someone? I'm not asking for specific's, because you and I have talked privately about our 'sources' and I understand where you are coming from.

she was here overnight.

much of the planning took place via email, before she ever arrived. other than the room temp Fiji water, I'm not sure what was required for Kate's visit. Kate's visit was arranged while Jon & Kate were still doing their own publicity. I don't know that an outside party was involved.

once she was here, it's my understanding that Kate was not really approachable/accessible without someone (Kate's travel companion, whoever that was) with her. that's where I see the similarity in the Us Weekly article.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

she was here overnight.

much of the planning took place via email, before she ever arrived. other than the room temp Fiji water, I'm not sure what was required for Kate's visit. Kate's visit was arranged while Jon & Kate were still doing their own publicity. I don't know that an outside party was involved.

once she was here, it's my understanding that Kate was not really approachable/accessible without someone (Kate's travel companion, whoever that was) with her. that's where I see the similarity in the Us Weekly article.

Really? That's pretty ridiculous IMO. If that's true (not saying that it isn't) then she is/was exhibiting diva behavior. She sounds like one of those other celebs who would demand white flowers in her hotel room. Talk about over the top. I'm guessing you have a lot of dirt on Kate then Madge. She obviously left a poor impression when she was visiting your town!

 

[DMRick]

So did she speak both in the evening, and then the next morning, or do a book signing? I don't remember although I know you talked about it.
Actually, as I think more about this I think most celebs (she was invited to talk there, so even if we don't consider her a celeb, in some ways she was) have items they want on a list. Other than room temp water, Madge isn't sure if there were other demands. And as for the unaproachable unless someone was with her..is that really unreasonable, for someone in a strange town, where many might go up to her for autographs, ask questions, take pictures, want to talk to her (if she talked to the first 10 or 20, and not the next 30-40 would some be upset etc? In any case, the article in the make up trailer painted a different picture. So who knows who the real Kate is.

The Beach Boys were actually supposed to be at the gathering with us..and still they didn't stay.

Heck, when Ty P built the house for a family here, lots of people were not happy that he was unaproachable (but then a lot of people were not happy about the family he built a house for either). But he was busy..very very busy. So he didn't have time to talk to the 10-20,000 who showed up over the week LOL.

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Really? That's pretty ridiculous IMO. If that's true (not saying that it isn't) then she is/was exhibiting diva behavior. She sounds like one of those other celebs who would demand white flowers in her hotel room. Talk about over the top. I'm guessing you have a lot of dirt on Kate then Madge. She obviously left a poor impression when she was visiting your town!

 

[madge]

I'm guessing you have a lot of dirt on Kate then Madge. She obviously left a poor impression when she was visiting your town!

a lot of dirt? not really, I've pretty much shared much of what I know and have heard about Kate's visit here with this thread.

the impression she left was not positive, it's true...

and as I said, I know people who were fans before and fans after and remain fans today. I also know some who were staunch supporters after she was here, but as time went by realized what they were hearing around town (mostly about how Kate treated people) may be true and are fans no more. I just read negative comments today from a facebook friend of mine who thought Kate could do no wrong and has now come to the dark side. LOLOL.

is it possible we got a bad visit from Kate? maybe. her appearance here was the first after the tabloids uncovered Jon's partying at the college. It's possible that her actions were a direct result of that. who knows?

 

[madge]

So did she speak both in the evening, and then the next morning, or do a book signing? I don't remember although I know you talked about it.
Actually, as I think more about this I think most celebs (she was invited to talk there, so even if we don't consider her a celeb, in some ways she was) have items they want on a list. Other than room temp water, Madge isn't sure if there were other demands.

she arrived on Saturday night and spoke twice on Sunday morning. she went to Ruby Tuesday & Target before the book signing. From what I understand, some people stalked her outside the bathroom at Target (they couldn't get tickets and didn't know about the book signing) and asked for a picture, and said Kate was nice to them. they were thrilled.

I didn't go to the book signing, but it was as I've seen many other people describe about other visits .. pleasant, but detached and impersonal. honestly, that's what I'd expect from any well-known person.

and you're right about the list of needs, that's not unusual for any speaker ..

 

[OhMari]

Jon Gosselin wants a place to call his own – Kate Gosselin’s home.

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Jon filed court papers Wednesday requesting physical custody of the couple’s eight children. He also wants the right to live in Kate’s guest house and says that he should be allowed to live there per the terms of their divorce settlement.

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RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively that Jon has been staying with his brother. And one source told us: “That’s not going so well.”

Jon has accused Kate of being an absentee mom because she is appearing on Dancing With The Stars in Los Angeles.

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But as RadarOnline.com reported exclusively, Jon has spent far more time away from the children, simply to be with his then-girlfriend.

RadarOnline.com has documented that Jon has spent several weeks away from his children this year only to hang out with his girlfriend and not for employment reasons.

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In the new court papers Jon asks that the child support order be revisited.

Jon also says that his divorce settlement gives him the right to live in Kate’s guest house when he doesn’t have physical custody. He charges that Kate abuses the right she was awarded to set the custody schedule.

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The former reality TV star is trying to get out of his child support payment and argues in the court papers that Kate is paid by TLC but her contract specifies she could be paid only by TLC.

Kate is earning $200,000 for appearing on Dancing With The Stars.

Jon filed for custody this afternoon.


In a way, I have a small bit of faith in Jon.
We will never know why Jon and Kate broke up. We've speculated and saw what Jon did publicly within the last year.
But I hope he really hit rock bottom-and realizes what he gave up and truly wants the custody of those kids. If it is just to get out of child support

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Jon filed for custody this afternoon.


In a way, I have a small bit of faith in Jon.
We will never know why Jon and Kate broke up. We've speculated and saw what Jon did publicly within the last year.
But I hope he really hit rock bottom-and realizes what he gave up and truly wants the custody of those kids. If it is just to get out of child support

His intentions may be genuine, but legally--I side with Kate on this one. He threw in the towel and any attempt to take over custody...he doesn't really have anything valid to provide.

Just b/c someone "wins the right" to set the custody schedule, doesn't mean they are stuck at being at their children's beck and call the entire time they are with the custodial parent. That's just crazy talk.

Heck--am I abusing my rights as a mom if I opt to go away for the weekend from the kiddos with my hubby.

Same logic.

"Judge--my ex-wife has a job and I don't like her very legal and very accomodating employment arrangement. That makes her a bad and absentee mom. Shame. Shame. Shame. I feel that since I have no job and thus can be at my kids beck and call (until I find the need to sow my wild oats)--that I am a better parent and thus she should lose custody and I should have it."

Seriously--there are much worse custodial/visitation agreements where a parent is so truly crappy and you would think they should get their rights reduced or taken away and it just does not happen.

While father's seem to be able to win custody more easily than in the past--taking away what has already been granted is an entirely different ball of wax.

I have known families that are dealing with "drugged" parents--and that was a pain in the rear to prove and took a very long time.

I haven't once met any parent that won the argument of absentee parent due to a job debate.

Jon's an idiot and he doesn't "need" primary custody in order to be a good father. They are his children...not property.

 

[FINFAN]

in cse anyone missed it.....
http://www.popeater.com/2010/04/07/...7/jimmy-fallon-kate-gosselin-dance-paparazzi/

 

[kidshop]

His intentions may be genuine, but legally--I side with Kate on this one. He threw in the towel and any attempt to take over custody...he doesn't really have anything valid to provide.

Just b/c someone "wins the right" to set the custody schedule, doesn't mean they are stuck at being at their children's beck and call the entire time they are with the custodial parent. That's just crazy talk.

Heck--am I abusing my rights as a mom if I opt to go away for the weekend from the kiddos with my hubby.

Same logic.

"Judge--my ex-wife has a job and I don't like her very legal and very accomodating employment arrangement. That makes her a bad and absentee mom. Shame. Shame. Shame. I feel that since I have no job and thus can be at my kids beck and call (until I find the need to sow my wild oats)--that I am a better parent and thus she should lose custody and I should have it."

Seriously--there are much worse custodial/visitation agreements where a parent is so truly crappy and you would think they should get their rights reduced or taken away and it just does not happen.

While father's seem to be able to win custody more easily than in the past--taking away what has already been granted is an entirely different ball of wax.

I have known families that are dealing with "drugged" parents--and that was a pain in the rear to prove and took a very long time.

I haven't once met any parent that won the argument of absentee parent due to a job debate.

Jon's an idiot and he doesn't "need" primary custody in order to be a good father. They are his children...not property.

I don't Jon has a chance in heck of gaining (more) custody. BUT, he was the primary caregiver for quite a while and Kate does seem to like and maybe need to be out working or whatever. She will have another book tour soon. She is not there for her 50% of the time either.

I think he mostly wants to live in the house.

 

[DMRick]

BUT, he was the primary caregiver for quite a while

How long was he the primary (with help) caretaker? Do you remember? I remember how much he didn't like it, but I can't remember how long it lasted, from when his job ended, until he stopped being the primary caretaker. I didn't think it was that long a time.

 

[madge]

How long was he the primary (with help) caretaker?

they've never not had help. it shouldn't even factor into the equation.

 

[OhMari]

I don't Jon has a chance in heck of gaining (more) custody. BUT, he was the primary caregiver for quite a while and Kate does seem to like and maybe need to be out working or whatever. She will have another book tour soon. She is not there for her 50% of the time either.

I think he mostly wants to live in the house.

Not in the house, but the guest house. I guess he is living with his brother, and that isn't working out. One of the tabloids said, that he could live there, but Kate got the house and she can choose who lives there. Didn't we once read that the house belongs to the kids, and when one is with the kids, they can stay there. Things must have changed and Kate did end up with the house.

 

[DMRick]

they've never not had help. it shouldn't even factor into the equation.

But it will, since one of the things being said is that Kate has sitters there while practicing, rather than being with the kids herself. Of course we saw that he does too even in the most recent photo's (and I assume he must have been writing his book or some other form of work, which is why he needed a sitter), but that is seldom mentioned, that he didn't do it all himself either.