Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[madge]

But it will, since one of the things being said is that Kate has sitters there while practicing, rather than being with the kids herself. Of course we saw that he does too even in the most recent photo's (and I assume he must have been writing his book or some other form of work, which is why he needed a sitter), but that is seldom mentioned, that he didn't do it all himself either.

the fact of the matter is that the children spend a lot of time with their nannies, they always have.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/04/photos-jon-kate-battle-over-custody-nanny-picks-kids

But I don't see anything in this complaint that mentions the sitters? Am I missing it?
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/gosselincomp.pdf

 

[kidshop]

the fact of the matter is that the children spend a lot of time with their nannies, they always have.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/04/photos-jon-kate-battle-over-custody-nanny-picks-kids

But I don't see anything in this complaint that mentions the sitters? Am I missing it?
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/gosselincomp.pdf

points 11 and 12 in the court document: Kate sets the custody schedule at her discretion?! How stupid is Jon, umm how many people has she cut out of the kids lives! Why on earth would he agree to that and then be surprised when she does not allow him to see the kids? And then she can complain he is never there, when SHE decides if he can be there or not!

Holy cow! Does #16 say that TLC paid Kate based on Jon not getting paid for any other job than the TLC contract!

Ah, another day, another whole new can of worms. Poor kids; they lose every time.

Parenting classes......heh heh. Yeah they both need that!

 

[madge]

Holy cow! Does #16 say that TLC paid Kate based on Jon not getting paid for any other job than the TLC contract!

it says she received certain payments based on that fact.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

But I don't see anything in this complaint that mentions the sitters? Am I missing it?
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/gosselincomp.pdf

This document makes me sad for the Gosselin kids.

First, why on earth would Jon agree to allow Kate to tell him when he can see HIS kids?? I can't believe it says that, that she is the one to determine when he can spend time with them and will let him know. So bizarre. It sounds like Kate is controlling when Jon is allowed to see the kids.

Second, it appears Kate has not submitted the expense papers for the kids to the arbitrator? Yet they calculated what Jon has to pay each month? That doesn't add up. It sounds like Jon is claiming that Kate has said she needs this much a month for the kids yet hasn't given proof of those expenses.

Third, what on earth does it mean that TLC paid Kate when Jon wasn't breaking his contract? The wording is strange there. It sounds as if TLC paid her extra $ for when Jon went against his contract? Am I understanding this incorrectly?

It's upsetting to think that Kate is in charge of the custody schedule. I don't think that's right. They should've reached an agreement where they both said I have them this time, you have them that time.

It's nice to see that Jon finally has a local lawyer too. This one is based in PA apparently.

 

[madge]

This document makes me sad for the Gosselin kids.

it's just another part of their lives that's been documented for all to see.

and really, I'm picky about piddly stuff Kate does .. but THIS is what makes me so frustrated about Jon and Kate Gosselin. Fame-seeking people who have drug their children into the spotlight. Many (certainly not all) famous people work really hard to keep their kids OUT of the way of the cameras. And they're not always successful, thanks to rabid tabloid media. But with Jon & Kate, they're so concerned about their own self interests (even one that includes providing for the children) that the children are lost in the media shuffle.. it's sad.

 

[DMRick]

But I don't see anything in this complaint that mentions the sitters? Am I missing it?
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/gosselincomp.pdf

I didn't read the complaint. It was in an interview with sources (LOL).

 

[DMRick]

I wonder....sometimes people agree to bizarre situations, in exchange for something. Sometimes in exchange for keeping quiet. Just my thoughts wandering.
I don't get Jon. He said last week that he spent 14 days with the kids when Kate was first off to DWTS and doing the ads, etc. He seemed happy for her. Now she's a bad mom, because she's gone for several days a week.

Also, did the divorce papers mention any of this, such as his living in the guest house? I thought it just said Kate got to live in the house. I don't remember reading then, that Kate got to decide when he would see them. And didn't we see Kate with all the expenses written down? Why would the arbitrator allow those papers to not be entered in when figuring the support?

I wonder how much is lawyering..trying to get the support lowered. I also wonder if he tried having the lawyers discuss this first, and was there no way to keep this quiet? I can understand Jon wanting to change the support, but is this usual in PA? In NY, I think you can only come before family court once every two years.

And whatever happened to his TLC case..I thought they agreed to drop it and he would allow the kids to be taped again in exchange (I've just been thankful that that didn't seem to happen).

 

[WaltD4Me]

Why can't Jon seem to find a real lawyer, interested in his best interests? The new guy was on Nancy Grace last night. He does appear to be better than the ever skeezy Mark Heller, but he took the first opportunity to show up on TV and filed for full custody. Something that would make the most news. Wouldn't it have been smarter, make more sense and have been more reasonable to request a change in the custody agreement, ie, Jon's visitation? Instead he files for something he knows isn't going to happen and throws in the part about Jon wanting support payments lowered. The support payments are figured out by a formula, it isn't like they pulled a number out of the air. Is $21,000 a month ALOT of money, yes, it is, but as someone else said there are people out there getting $425 a week for one child, that's $1,700 a month, multiply by eight, that's almost $14,000 right there. Quite a chunk of change too.

 

[Buckalew11]

I'll tell you what---since my sister and her H are going through a separation right now, I'm mighty glad it isn't in the spotlight of every move being "out there" and every word being "out there". So much drama, so much deceit, so many things said that can't be taken back--it is something new everyday. And weird stuff--my BIL is actually doing some really weird stuff. Divorce really brings out the worst and strangest in people (most of the time) I suppose. This is our first divorce in my family and it is as dramatic as J&K+8 imho. Whoa!

 

[DVCisME]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20359149,00.html

Saw this on People about her new shows. Cannot say I will be watching, but I thought it interesting that it states she never considered talk shows.

 

[talulabelle]

I read in one of the articles posted that Kate is being paid $200,000 to do DWTS (I dunno, but that would not be enough money for me to embarrass myself and my children like that) - Does anyone know if it is just a flat payment? and it doesn't matter how far she advances in the competition? Or, does she make more money for each week she is on? If it was $200,000 an episode, then I would embarrass myself like that.

What do you think there will be for her after this? I can't imagine anything she would be able to do that is not invoving her kids. For some reason the View still has her from time to time (which I don't get at ALL). But I don't see that becoming a job for her - there are too many people that are actually qualified that would love to have that job.

 

[talulabelle]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20359149,00.html

Saw this on People about her new shows. Cannot say I will be watching, but I thought it interesting that it states she never considered talk shows.

Oh, well there you go, you were answer my second question before I could type it. Ok Twist of Kate sounds INCREDIBLY boring. I used to hate having to listen to Kate repond to letters on the couch. This sounds painful. I also think it is really sad to keep the ball rolling, she will be selling out her brood again for specials. There must be someone at TLC that really likes Kate to keep her floating like this.

 

[DMRick]

So the kids will be back on TV is specials. tsk tsk to that.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20359149,00.html

Saw this on People about her new shows. Cannot say I will be watching, but I thought it interesting that it states she never considered talk shows.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

it's just another part of their lives that's been documented for all to see.

and really, I'm picky about piddly stuff Kate does .. but THIS is what makes me so frustrated about Jon and Kate Gosselin. Fame-seeking people who have drug their children into the spotlight. Many (certainly not all) famous people work really hard to keep their kids OUT of the way of the cameras. And they're not always successful, thanks to rabid tabloid media. But with Jon & Kate, they're so concerned about their own self interests (even one that includes providing for the children) that the children are lost in the media shuffle.. it's sad.

No kidding. I cannot imagine how much animosity or embarrassment I'd have felt if my parents acted this while divorcing. Granted, divorce is very painful but to have splashed all over, especially court filings?? J&K are a pair of fools if they think this isn't going to affect their kids.

We shouldn't be surprised though that J&K choose media venues to get back at each other in regards to the kids. They probably think of them as having already been in the spotlight, media, etc. and their lives have been invaded already so it doesn't occur to them that one day their kids will see this. Heck, Cara and Mady may already be seeing things we'd wish no child of divorce would see.

I completely agree that J&K are more concerned about their own interests than what seems to be best for the kids. What's so upsetting is that without those sweet little 8, they'd never be famous at all!

You hear about other celebs who've quietly divorced. There aren't documents flying around regarding expenses, child custody issues, accussations of stealing money and so on.

 

[DMRick]

You hear about other celebs who've quietly divorced. There aren't documents flying around regarding expenses, child custody issues, accussations of stealing money and so on.

Obviously we are still very interested in that stuff. If we weren't (and I'm talking about me, not the general) it wouldn't keep being published. As long as this stuff is talked about, it will be on. I could care less about the other celebs..I don't even look at the mags to hear about them. If we (geneeral) did, then they would keep publishing stuff about them. It's too bad the mags have the right to publish what I think should be private forms.

 

[Toad_Passenger]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20359149,00.html

Saw this on People about her new shows. Cannot say I will be watching, but I thought it interesting that it states she never considered talk shows.

Seriously? The first paragraph likens Kate to Lucille Ball? I think I felt another earthquake from Ms. Ball turning over in her grave so violently!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20359149,00.html

Saw this on People about her new shows. Cannot say I will be watching, but I thought it interesting that it states she never considered talk shows.

Oh good grief! So, it's true then that Jon allowed the kids to be back on tv. I guess the almighty dollar is more important. I wonder how many 'specials' Kate +8 will have. My guess is quite a few and then based on ratings, the show will go full force. Now I know why Jon wants primary custody because Kate is going to be rolling in the dough with these 2 new shows. With him as the primary parent, she'll have to pay him for expenses.

Twist of Kate sounds ridiculous. Sorry but it does. She's going to inspire other moms by reading their letters and then working at their jobs? I don't get it. What a weird concept.

Well, Gosselin 8, hope you enjoyed your little break from working on set. Get ready, put that homework aside, put your little playdates and friends aside because it's time to get back to work. Ugh. Can you tell I'm annoyed?

 

[DVCisME]

I wonder if in Jon's battle with TLC he did actually have some pull. Wasn't Kate +8 supposed to just take over Jon & Kate +8? If so maybe that is why it is only specials. I also wonder if TLC had a say in the divorce, ie with Kate's lawyers, since everything determined favors scheduling.

Her other show sounds like something she will bomb at. I can already picture her hearing someone's story and rolling her eyes, making a horrific face. I would feel bad for the people that are picked. I think she would make it a lot worse when she was done "helping".

 

[kidshop]

Oh, well there you go, you were answer my second question before I could type it. Ok Twist of Kate sounds INCREDIBLY boring. I used to hate having to listen to Kate repond to letters on the couch. This sounds painful. I also think it is really sad to keep the ball rolling, she will be selling out her brood again for specials. There must be someone at TLC that really likes Kate to keep her floating like this.

who exactly finds Kate 'inspiring' and what has she ever 'learned from others' or helped others in any way?

"I want to be out there learning from others, helping to provide insight whenever I can, though I don't consider myself an expert on anything."

She is an insult to real struggling single moms who don't have a full staff of household help and nannies not to mention a 24/7 bodyguard since the beginning; contrary to all the church begging on crying poor on national TV.

A twist of Kate is too much Kate. Have these people seen her 'dance' LOL? This is how she is as a person...flat, stiff, weird and scary faces. No life, no joy, no warmth. I guess if that is what people want....

I just feel sick that the kids will be on shows still. Probably slow at first and then back to full time filming if ratings are good.

 

[DMRick]

Seriously? The first paragraph likens Kate to Lucille Ball? I think I felt another earthquake from Ms. Ball turning over in her grave so violently!

Ahh..things didn't go so well for Lucy and Ricky. There was lots of stuff flying around about them also. They had their share of rag mags, infidelity, gossip, drinking, divorce, etc. We just didn't have the instant internet back then. By the time it was published, it was often glossed over.