Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 8

[DMRick]

I agree, but if someone had just said, she does complain that she is alone, that I would get. I've said that. I've said she shouldn't say it, since she has to know that bugs people. If someone said they do retakes, I agree, that has been metioned as fact, such as Christmas. But this is a real live person always being put down, and if she does enough to anger people, why not just talk about the true things that anger people? What's the point of trying to make it worse than it is? Anyone can say anything they want on this thread as we all know, I'm not suggesting they can't, but if you want people to listen to your side of the discussion, why keep making up such exagerated numbers? And if you do, you should expect someone is going to call you on it.

As I said earlier I am not going to get into it over semantics about a statement that nearly everyone would know was intended as an exaggeration. Besides, if it was said that she complains more than anything else, that would not be received well either. Just like if it was said that they do 3 re-takes of scenes, then it would be asked, "do you know that for a fact? Where did you hear or read that?" The list goes on and on about how each side of this debate will respond to the different posts on this thread and it is all very predictable at this point.

 

[Dee77]

Actually, what I said was:

"because I still believe we see a lot of what TLC wants us to see" . I don't believe TLC is in control of how she is interpreted. They show it, and we get to interpret. I do think TLC wants to keep up the ratings and sometimes, what they show, keeps people talking.

And I do think that she is foolish that she doesn't see how TLC portrays her on the past shows and prob will on new shows. I don't happen to agree with you that we are still seeing a harsh person. What I saw on DWTS was a person doing a job for money, doing something she thought she would enjoy. Someone who got criticized even when she told her kids she loved them. Criticized when she cried when booted (even though other's have as well). I see a person that laughs a lot more than she used to when on non TLC interviews, and even a more tender person on the show about her.

TLC hasn't changed the format at all and Kate hasn't learned anything from the past shows. She was very harsh towards the boys, "hit it like a man", she was very sarcastic with comments about Jon, the sleeping bags and his little "Cupcake party" She clearly has no clue how any of this is affecting her older daughters and at the end of the show she asked the producer if she can still call the tups, "little because 6 is just a bigger baby" or something like that and the person agreed (it is after all their livelihood to agree with Kate) and she turned and said OK. This is all because she needs the impression to be that the little ones are still little in order to have a show that may still bring in the ratings.

 

[mousey]

I have not read a post here where someone has come out and said they HATE Kate! Where is all this hate coming from???

 

[Dee77]

I have not read a post here where someone has come out and said they HATE Kate! Where is all this hate coming from???

Dislike is a better word to describe her since none of us actually know her, although I can say that I "hate" when people have an sense of entitlement, so I guess that is a part of Kate that I hate.

 

[DMRick]

The sleeping bags weren't neccessary, or the gum I agree, (I'd like to see Jon left out of it) but nothing else bothered me. Although I did find the show boring.

TLC hasn't changed the format at all and Kate hasn't learned anything from the past shows. She was very harsh towards the boys, "hit it like a man", she was very sarcastic with comments about Jon, the sleeping bags and his little "Cupcake party" She clearly has no clue how any of this is affecting her older daughters and at the end of the show she asked the producer if she can still call the tups, "little because 6 is just a bigger baby" or something like that and the person agreed (it is after all their livelihood to agree with Kate) and she turned and said OK. This is all because she needs the impression to be that the little ones are still little in order to have a show that may still bring in the ratings.

 

[DMRick]

I have not read a post here where someone has come out and said they HATE Kate! Where is all this hate coming from???

Ok, so you don't hate her. I don't get that from how you post about her at all

By the way, the meaning of hate is intensely dislike. Maybe you don't intensely dislike her either.

 

[mousey]

Nobody forced Kate to put her family on television. When you put yourself out there, you have to put up with the criticism. Not everyone agrees that showcasing your family on national tv is healthy for the kids. It very evident that the twin are fed up with the camera just by the looks on their faces. The tups are too young to realize just whats going on. Its "Mommy" who craves all the attention and will do anything to get it even if it makes a fool out of her. You think she would of learned from past mistakes, but people like her never learn!

 

[mousey]

Ok, so you don't hate her. I don't get that from how you post about her at all

By the way, the meaning of hate is intensely dislike. Maybe you don't intensely dislike her either.

Like I said before, this is a discussion board that everyone is allowed to give their opinion about. I'm sorry that it bothers you that I post here. I don't need you to tell me the meaning of words such as hate. I never said I hated anyone but your bound and determined to change my mind. Do me a favor, use the ignore feature that the board provides you or practice what you preach!

 

[Dee77]

The sleeping bags weren't neccessary, or the gum I agree, (I'd like to see Jon left out of it) but nothing else bothered me. Although I did find the show boring.

It didn't bother you that she had the bag of throw up for all to see and the fact that she was so graphic with describing why Alexis couldn't go and the follow up call. That to me is all private stuff that no child would appreciate seeing on National TV.

I also strongly believe that her comments to the boys have always been with a very different demeanor than the girls. Many times she has come across like she would prefer for all the kids to have been girls. I can't pinpoint the exact stuff right now at this late hour, but it's a lingering thought from the old shows and this new one didn't help any.

I also was really bothered by her screeching like a banshee, totally unnecessary and childish. From the moment I had my daughter (I also have several nieces and nephews) I have always tried to be a strong when things are frightening or upsetting for any of them. Considering she was a nurse, I would have thought she would have more self control and a steadiness in times like those.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Sigh, this thread is getting to me. Kate is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. Jon is glossed over even though he should probably win the idiot of the year award. I'm really trying to figure out why I personally spend so much time discussing a family I don't even know. Yes, Kate does things that I might not agree with. But it's like she can't do anything right. She doesn't get credit for anything. Has it occured to any of us that there is not a 24/7 camera or reporter with Kate detailing her every move? We don't live there. Do we see her kissing her kids goodnight, or helping with homework or making the kids a special dessert? Just because we don't see things like this happening, doesn't mean it's not. Her every motive is questioned. It's baffling to me that she can't even wear her clothes without criticism. Do we all think we're such better people? I have made mistakes as a parent, haven't we all? Yes, I know Kate is putting herself out there but it just seems wrong to be so darn critical. Can't we cut her any slack? Do we really think she cares nothing for her children?

Sigh, I'm ready for the rebuttals to what I just wrote.

 

[Dee77]

Sigh, this thread is getting to me. Kate is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. Jon is glossed over even though he should probably win the idiot of the year award. I'm really trying to figure out why I personally spend so much time discussing a family I don't even know. Yes, Kate does things that I might not agree with. But it's like she can't do anything right. She doesn't get credit for anything. Has it occured to any of us that there is not a 24/7 camera or reporter with Kate detailing her every move? We don't live there. Do we see her kissing her kids goodnight, or helping with homework or making the kids a special dessert? Just because we don't see things like this happening, doesn't mean it's not. Her every motive is questioned. It's baffling to me that she can't even wear her clothes without criticism. Do we all think we're such better people? I have made mistakes as a parent, haven't we all? Yes, I know Kate is putting herself out there but it just seems wrong to be so darn critical. Can't we cut her any slack? Do we really think she cares nothing for her children?

Sigh, I'm ready for the rebuttals to what I just wrote.

She makes those soups- there's a redeemable quality!

OK in all seriousness, she loves her kids, she just has a strange way of showing it. She's not overly affectionate but there are lots of people who are like that. I could care less about what she wears, if she has more plastic surgery or anything like that. I feel bad for her, she seems to have major issues with the way she was brought up and things that have happened with her parents and family. To me, I would think that would be a strong motivation to make sure her kids are well balanced and happy above the material stuff, but again, that's just me. It is hard for me to understand that with the birth of the tups and now the divorce, that she and her family are not able to be more supportive of each other. In my family, we never had any major blowouts and especially not a falling out with each other, and in times of stress and sickness we are all there for each other. Maybe that's where my disconnect is with Kate, the fact that we are so fundamentally different.

 

[DMRick]

Yes, that did bother me. I mentioned that in an earlier post. I should have said that that wasn't necessary also. The screeching was annoying, but I didn't think it was an awful thing. Some people can't control what scares them.

It didn't bother you that she had the bag of throw up for all to see

 

[DMRick]

Your posts don't bother me. They sometimes give me a chuckle though. I'll decide who I'll ignore. As far as who you do or don't hate..you may think your posts don't show it, but as you have said, I'm allowed my opinion. Glad to hear you don't hate Kate. That sort of stuff can eat a person up.

Like I said before, this is a discussion board that everyone is allowed to give their opinion about. I'm sorry that it bothers you that I post here. I don't need you to tell me the meaning of words such as hate. I never said I hated anyone but your bound and determined to change my mind. Do me a favor, use the ignore feature that the board provides you or practice what you preach!

 

[DMRick]

Nicely said.
Now this post I can understand. So much of it is hard to understand, since we don't know what happens when they aren't on camera. As was said above, who knows what nice stuff we are missing? That TLC would rather not show, because let's face it, the show is pulling in the numbers just as it's shown and that's what they want.

Her mom and sister did come to DWTS, so why don't we see them at other times? Do they come and we don't see it, or do the paps just not take pictures of them there? Does Kate visit them and we just don't know it? Stuff to wonder about.

Careful Dee, I'm seeing a soft side of you

Edited to add, Dee, have you read on this CB especially around Mother's Day just how many families don't get along? Or have no support? I'm always amazed at the MIL and mom stories. It's sad how many don't connect well with their families. I can't imagine how bad that must make people feel.

She makes those soups- there's a redeemable quality!

OK in all seriousness, she loves her kids, she just has a strange way of showing it. She's not overly affectionate but there are lots of people who are like that. I could care less about what she wears, if she has more plastic surgery or anything like that. I feel bad for her, she seems to have major issues with the way she was brought up and things that have happened with her parents and family. To me, I would think that would be a strong motivation to make sure her kids are well balanced and happy above the material stuff, but again, that's just me. It is hard for me to understand that with the birth of the tups and now the divorce, that she and her family are not able to be more supportive of each other. In my family, we never had any major blowouts and especially not a falling out with each other, and in times of stress and sickness we are all there for each other. Maybe that's where my disconnect is with Kate, the fact that we are so fundamentally different.

 

[MAKmom]

so who said anything about going out to dinner without the kids being wrong. If you need help because you work, fine. Also going out to dinner around here without you r kids is very normal, we do it all the time. Still don't know what that has to do with having help with 3 kids.

I'm not sure how long you have been on this thread but it irritates some of the ladies here if Kate is out without her kids. She gets bashed for tanning & having lunch etc.

If you go out to dinner all the time you must also have help with your children, unless they are alone when you go out.

 

[mhsjax]

I'm not sure how long you have been on this thread but it irritates some of the ladies here if Kate is out without her kids. She gets bashed for tanning & having lunch etc.

If you go out to dinner all the time you must also have help with your children, unless they are alone when you go out.

Oh ok, My apologies. No it doesn't irritate me in the least. I actually think all moms should get away and do things for themselves. My kids could care less when I go and get my nails done, Lunch, well as long as I bring them something back that they want, I am cleared to go. lol

Actually, when my kids were little no we didn't go out to dinner, hubby's schedule wouldn't allow it, so only on very special occasions. My oldest is now old enough to stay here with the little ones.

Sorry but having help is a little of a sore spot with me, because of friends that we have who use their parents as baby sittters all the time, so they can continue their pre child lifestyle and then sit there and claim having children really doesn't change anything. I now of a couple that flew to europe when the child was 6 months old for 3 weeks then came back and took another week long trip after 1 week at home. Guess it strikes a nerve.

 

[walden]

Officially it's 63.5986% of the time Kate is whining about how hard life is for her overall. The 90% refers to the percentage of time she is on camera or in a written form that she is sharing about her specific difficulties in life.

Thank you for correcting that, it is imperative that ONLY FACTS be expressed on this thread. Although it feels like 90% of the time she is in "pity me" mindset.

Yes, thank you for correcting that. Now is that 63.5986% include the instances of the dreaded "low blood sugar" that is the justification for the meltdown??

You ladies were on a roll yesterday! I think the word that was needed was hyperbole - a figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect!

I also think that the accusation of hating or loving Kate is tossed around far too frequently by some people on this board. We don't divide neatly into those categories, and I find being called a "hater" quite insulting.

So while we are discussing semantics --

From Merriam Webster: Hate
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English hete; akin to Old High German haz hate, Greek kēdos care
Date: before 12th century
1 a : intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury b : extreme dislike or antipathy : loathing <had a great hate of hard work>
2 : an object of hatred <a generation whose finest hate had been big business — F. L. Paxson>

Now, I had I ever met Kate, I might dislike her. I dislike over-cooked brussels spouts, but I don't *hate* them. I don't *love* properly cooked brusssels spouts either, I just like them.

However, I do intensely dislike many of her behaviors as she has demonstrated them on film and in the media, and her over-dependence on filming her children to support her in a fairly extravagant life-style. I wouldn't describe my feelings as intense hostility or extreme dislike, and they fall definitely short of loathing her as a person.

So, for the record, I really "over-cooked brussels sprout" many of Kate's behaviors. If I met her in person, I suspect I might "over-cooked brussels spout" her too, so am making no plans to meet her.

 

[mousey]

Your too funny Walden!
There definately are some people on this board who are so quick to defend Kate that merely mentioning something and "overexaggerating" causes an uproar! I just remember that it is a discussion board and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Now I think I will go and enjoy my "low blood sugar" moment!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

She makes those soups- there's a redeemable quality!

OK in all seriousness, she loves her kids, she just has a strange way of showing it. She's not overly affectionate but there are lots of people who are like that. I could care less about what she wears, if she has more plastic surgery or anything like that. I feel bad for her, she seems to have major issues with the way she was brought up and things that have happened with her parents and family. To me, I would think that would be a strong motivation to make sure her kids are well balanced and happy above the material stuff, but again, that's just me. It is hard for me to understand that with the birth of the tups and now the divorce, that she and her family are not able to be more supportive of each other. In my family, we never had any major blowouts and especially not a falling out with each other, and in times of stress and sickness we are all there for each other. Maybe that's where my disconnect is with Kate, the fact that we are so fundamentally different.

I agree, this post was nicely worded! Yes, some moms aren't overly affectionate. My grandmother was like that with my mom yet with us, she was always hugging and kissing us. Go figure. Maybe Kate will be that way with her grandkids?

I do tend to think there is some kind of unresolved issue with her family as well. She has (not so tactfully) made comments about how things that happened in her past upset her. Things about her dad and unfinished projects, etc. Who knows what those family dynamics were. But I do find it sad that for whatever reasons, both sides seem to be missing out. Especially, as you said, given the birth of the sextuplets and divorce.

Kate and I are different as well. But I can appreciate the fact that she has way more kids than I do and is doing (in her mind) what she thinks is best for her family. And I think she loves those kids dearly. Sure she's made mistakes with the kids (gumgate comes to mind) but the difference is hers are broadcasted on tv. I remember on Larry King Live she said that she and Jon have no control over what is shown unless it's something detrimental to the kids. Once it's in the can, it's airable. How good would we moms look during one of our mistakes with our kids? It wouldn't be my finest moment I'm sure but it also doesn't mean I don't love my kids because I love them more than anything.

 

[mousey]

I agree, this post was nicely worded! Yes, some moms aren't overly affectionate. My grandmother was like that with my mom yet with us, she was always hugging and kissing us. Go figure. Maybe Kate will be that way with her grandkids?

I do tend to think there is some kind of unresolved issue with her family as well. She has (not so tactfully) made comments about how things that happened in her past upset her. Things about her dad and unfinished projects, etc. Who knows what those family dynamics were. But I do find it sad that for whatever reasons, both sides seem to be missing out. Especially, as you said, given the birth of the sextuplets and divorce.

Obviously its not important to her to mend past relationships!--Mousey's opinion


Kate and I are different as well. But I can appreciate the fact that she has way more kids than I do and is doing (in her mind) what she thinks is best for her family. And I think she loves those kids dearly. Sure she's made mistakes with the kids (gumgate comes to mind) but the difference is hers are broadcasted on tv. I remember on Larry King Live she said that she and Jon have no control over what is shown unless it's something detrimental to the kids. Once it's in the can, it's airable. How good would we moms look during one of our mistakes with our kids? It wouldn't be my finest moment I'm sure but it also doesn't mean I don't love my kids because I love them more than anything.

What is frustrating is her saying that they can't control what is broadcast on tv, however, they put themselves out there even knowing that private momemts, etc, could be shown to the entire world! If you truly loved your family, would you jeopardize their privacy? That's what I don't understand.