Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[DMRick]

the speaking engagements that were canceled were ones scheduled by Jon and Kate when they were handling their events themselves. I don't know how structured they were and whether or not there were stipulations about cancelations.

While this isn't a contract (and we have seen this before), this does show the nature of what was expected to book Jon & Kate at a church:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-kate-speak-your-church-you-better-read-first

They obtained professional representation, and appearances were canceled shortly thereafter. Coincidence? We'll never know.

I've seen that in the past. But as you said, that isn't a contract. If you are talking April 2009 or whenever, that speeches were canceled, weren't things pretty hairy at that time (maybe that's why they got professional representation..to help sort out the mess they were in with speeches Jon was supposed to appear at with Kate)? I thought the first photo's came out in February. Wasn't it mentioned that she was a hyprocrite for speaking of her good marriage at churches on this thread? Maybe that's why she canceled..the marriage was quickly going downhill and she thought it was no longer wise to speak of it. Or maybe churches no longer wanted her. You're right in that we'll never know.
She does enough (in some people's eyes) we can blame her for, for me, I'll give her a pass on this one.

 

[madge]

I've seen that in the past. But as you said, that isn't a contract. If you are talking April 2009 or whenever, that speeches were canceled, weren't things pretty hairy at that time (maybe that's why they got professional representation..to help sort out the mess they were in with speeches Jon was supposed to appear at with Kate)?

the cancelations came last year ... the local speaking engagement (in March) was rumored to be one of them, but it wasn't. In fact, Kate didn't do many churches after the one here.

one of the emails I shared was dated October 2008.

 

[C.Ann]

the cancelations came last year ... the local speaking engagement was rumored to be one of them, but it wasn't. In fact, Kate didn't do many churches after the one here.

Maybe she feels a little odd doing church engagements since her family no longer attends church..

 

[walden]

the speaking engagements that were canceled were ones scheduled by Jon and Kate when they were handling their events themselves. I don't know how structured they were and whether or not there were stipulations about cancelations.

While this isn't a contract (and we have seen this before), this does show the nature of what was expected to book Jon & Kate at a church:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-kate-speak-your-church-you-better-read-first

They obtained professional representation, and appearances were canceled shortly thereafter. Coincidence? We'll never know.

Wow. That radaronline.com link is fairly amazing. Here is the text (my bolding for emphasis where I went or Huh?). I'm not going to comment other than that due to lack of time. Draw your own conclusions as to why I went or Huh? and feel free to discuss/

Also note that the agreement (not contract) dates back to 2008 and these agreements were canceled after the hiring of Julie May.

It's expensive raising eight kids and now buying or renting separate places to live so it's no wonder Jon and Kate Gosselin do everything they can to maximize their earning power.

Endorsements, books and speaking engagements (in addition to the TLC show) all help keep the kids in new clothes and provide Jon with spending money for all his new girlfriends!

But now a big-hearted RadarOnline.com reader has generously donated to us, a document she says she received from the Go$$elins when she asked for "church speaking info back in February 2008."
This, of course, was before the divorce announcement and is filled with gems including calling a "speaking fee" a "love offering." Of course, with the passage of time the line, "Ours is a story that is encouraging to everyone who hears it" doesn't really hold up so well.

Here's the document:

WE ARE NOW BOOKING INTO MID 2009. DATES ARE GOING FAST AND ARE VERY LIMITED!!!!!!

Logistics info: First, Jon and I always travel together for safety reasons.

Second, we don't bring our children anymore due to safety/security issues.

And third, we speak to an audience of 100 or more!

We typically ask that the church/organization cover our travel and accommodations (airfare, hotel, car transport to/from the airport on this end and rental car on that end). As far as a 'speaking fee' goes, we ask for a 'love offering' for church services (which averages around $3000-3500 just to give you an idea, but is by no means a set 'fee'-- we let that up to God to fulfill our needs whether that amount be higher or lower!).

Other groups (evening church sponsored events, non church affiliated programs etc) are charged a fee of $3500 for events scheduled in 2009.

For a Mops (Mothers of Preschoolers) group, we charge by the person.... a $ 15 fee per person with a minimum of 100 people. Additionally, we ask that we also be scheduled to speak at a church service while we are there.

As mentioned above, if you are scheduling a Saturday night event the fee is $3500. If you also want to schedule Sunday morning church services, we ask for a love offering in whatever amount is collected to cover Sunday. We want to let God provide for us want to be able to continue to travel and speak!
These fees are incorporated to cover our time, babysitting and time away from work!
In the past, churches, MOPS groups, organizations have charged admission or provided free tickets and covered our 'fee' in other ways.

It is up to you how it should be handled in your situation.

We typically use our presentation entitled 'Six (in honor of our 6) Lessons We Have Learned' where we start with a video montage set to music of our family and then do our presentation. We tell our story from the beginning while we weave our points into it- including the pertinent Bible verses that came alive to us during those times and continue to be our guide today (you can request an email copy of our outline for review)! We usually end with about a half hour of questions from the audience which brings our total presentation time to about 1 1/2 hours in length. Ours is a story that is encouraging to everyone who hears it!

It is a story of God's hope, grace and love in a time when there was a lot of uncertainty, fear and doubt! Anyone who listens can apply these same lessons in their own lives!

The only other thing we require is a $150 deposit to hold the date you have chosen!

Additionally, please note that we are appearing as Jon and Kate Gosselin and this is aside from our show. TLC owns the rights to our show, we don't and so any advertising about our appearance may say 'from TLC's hit show 'Jon & Kate plus 8' but it may not use any logo or TLC owned print. Also, we cannot do ANY media interviews/ appearances related to our speaking event in order to remain in accordance with our TLC contract.
I hope this information helps! We enjoy speaking but are still surprised at the demand! We know it is what God is asking of us!!!!

Please reserve your date quickly! We are booking daily now and the dates are going fast! And please plan on having more people inquire about coming than you planned! Most events are now sold out due to lack of enough seating before the inquiries stop coming!!!! It is amazing--not what we ever had planned for our lives but we enjoy what we do!

Because of God's grace!

Kate Gosselin for all ten of us

And final note: Kate Gosselin has a real affinity for !!!!!! and over use of !!!.

 

[DMRick]

the cancelations came last year ... the local speaking engagement (in March) was rumored to be one of them, but it wasn't. In fact, Kate didn't do many churches after the one here.

one of the emails I shared was dated October 2008.

Well then, there goes my theory. I have no idea if she broke contracts last year or this.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Maybe she feels a little odd doing church engagements since her family no longer attends church..

In all fairness, we don't know that. She very well could be going to church.

 

[redrosesix]

Jon outright violated the conditions of his contract while remaining under contract which is the basis for the lawsuit.

As for Kate--no evidence to the language of the contract, so there is no evidence to support whether or not her comment was "hypocritical".


Please know that I am not "defending" Kate--but when folks start talking "contract", there is a whole segment of law dedicated to that field.

Those who enter into contracts are wise to have proper advisement and guidance in the event you may not be able to follow through with the contract.

I think we should leave the legal decisions up to the judge (and jury, if it gets that far). There is no such thing as an iron-clad contract. It is, so to speak, simply the rules of engagement determined by 2 parties for a business transaction.

Not all contracts are upheld in court. For example, I could make an oral contract with you to sell you my home for $1. but if your state specifies that all real estate contracts must be done in writing, it would be declared void. Likewise, since $1 would not be considered enough for a house (insufficient consideration) it would be declared void. Yes, you can make a deal with the devil, but there really is no court of law on earth that would uphold that contract.

That is a good point, Marsha.

According to Kate, she filed to protect the assets. Jon had withdrawn a large amount of money back in July and that caused her to go ahead and file.

Interesting justification, considering she filed for divorce in June.

 

[DMRick]

In all fairness, we don't know that. She very well could be going to church.

She did say that she isnt attending at this time. She found that one of the harder things to do, take the kids to church as a family without Jon. I'm sure she would feel a little strange right now, giving the type of speech she gives at a church. Can you imagine this thread if she dared to give a speech in a church..with her affair and times in bars, and trip to France and all, with someone other than her spouse. Oops..that's right, that wasn't her LOL.

 

[DMRick]

Interesting justification, considering she filed for divorce in June.

I didn't think Kate ever said, other than to protect her children (or somethign similar to that), why she filed when she did. Or if she did, I missed it.

 

[DMRick]

Also, we cannot do ANY media interviews/ appearances related to our speaking event in order to remain in accordance with our TLC contract.

I think we did discuss this in the past, that they could have speaking engagments but not talk to the media about the non TLC speaking engagements. This is not unusual. I don't think she did any advertising for instance for the Maria Shriver gathering.

Because of God's grace!

Uhh..there is a lot I could say to some of the bolding about God, but we aren't allowed to talk about religion on the Dis. Hopefully I'm not breaking the rules by saying, many are thankful for God's grace..and who would I be to judge her belief in it? I really wouldn't want to get into a discussion on if she relies on God..I personally think that would be over the top of judging this person.

 

[redrosesix]

I didn't think Kate ever said, other than to protect her children (or somethign similar to that), why she filed when she did. Or if she did, I missed it.

No, she never did -- it is one of the great mysteries of our time.

 

[walden]

I think we should leave the legal decisions up to the judge (and jury, if it gets that far). There is no such thing as an iron-clad contract. It is, so to speak, simply the rules of engagement determined by 2 parties for a business transaction.

Not all contracts are upheld in court. For example, I could make an oral contract with you to sell you my home for $1. but if your state specifies that all real estate contracts must be done in writing, it would be declared void. Likewise, since $1 would not be considered enough for a house (insufficient consideration) it would be declared void. Yes, you can make a deal with the devil, but there really is no court of law on earth that would uphold that contract.

ITA.

Does anyone have a link to the TLC lawsuit? I can't find it although I thought I'd saved it. I'm trying to remember what it said.

Interesting justification, considering she filed for divorce in June.

That made me because I think it was in response to someone saying that Jon withdrew the $$ in July. Yes Kate did file for divorce in June . . .

I have a life quite apart from the Gosselin debacle, and should get back to it. But the Gosselins are interesting. In such a sad way. As is this thread. See you all soon, but I have to take a short break.

Take care.

 

[madge]

In all fairness, we don't know that. She very well could be going to church.

Kate said in her interview that they pretty much don't go to church anymore.

And here's where I will give Kate a pass.

It's been implied on other blogs/sites that Kate isn't able to get the children ready, which is why she isn't going to church. And it's true, she did suggest that it's hard to get it together to go. But she also said it was something "they" did together (or something like that) and it would be hard to go.

Because I can understand that logic. Not that it's physically difficult to get the children ready (and it may be) but that it's emotionally hard to go to as a family of 9, since the church was such a big part of their lives.

 

[mhsjax]

In all fairness, we don't know that. She very well could be going to church.

Shje said on her interview MOnday night that she hadn't been going to church.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Kate said in her interview that they pretty much don't go to church anymore.

And here's where I will give Kate a pass.

It's been implied on other blogs/sites that Kate isn't able to get the children ready, which is why she isn't going to church. And it's true, she did suggest that it's hard to get it together to go. But she also said it was something "they" did together (or something like that) and it would be hard to go.

Because I can understand that logic. Not that it's physically difficult to get the children ready (and it may be) but that it's emotionally hard to go to as a family of 9, since the church was such a big part of their lives.

I stand corrected! I can agree with this too, the emotional part. I suppose it would be difficult to sit in a church pew with your kids minus your husband when the whole congregation surely knows why he's absent. Awkward.

 

[redrosesix]

ITA.

Does anyone have a link to the TLC lawsuit? I can't find it although I thought I'd saved it. I'm trying to remember what it said.




That made me because I think it was in response to someone saying that Jon withdrew the $$ in July. Yes Kate did file for divorce in June . . .

I have a life quite apart from the Gosselin debacle, and should get back to it. But the Gosselins are interesting. In such a sad way. As is this thread. See you all soon, but I have to take a short break.

Take care.

Here's the link you asked for -- hope you're not already gone -- I had to bookmark this one because it basically has most of what we know about the TLC contract:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/16/jon-gosselin-kate-jon-and-kate-plus-eight-lawsuit-tlc/

Yes, my post was in response to somebody saying that Kate filed for divorce because Jon took money out in July

I've mostly been lurking the last week -- the H1N1 thing has taken over here. But my DD finally got her vaccination tonight -- one of the first groups of high risk kids to get the vaccine in Nova Scotia. Even more important now since the bug is also now here. I'm relieved.

 

[MAKmom]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ell-witnesses-against-jon-gosselin-court-case

Click here to find out more!
EXCLUSIVE: TLC Lines Up Bombshell Witnesses Against Jon Gosselin In Court Case

 

[madge]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ell-witnesses-against-jon-gosselin-court-case

Click here to find out more!
EXCLUSIVE: TLC Lines Up Bombshell Witnesses Against Jon Gosselin In Court Case

things move quick around here ... I posted that on page 208 earlier today

 

[WaltD4Me]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ell-witnesses-against-jon-gosselin-court-case

Click here to find out more!
EXCLUSIVE: TLC Lines Up Bombshell Witnesses Against Jon Gosselin In Court Case

Anyone know if that a recent picture of Jon and Hailey? If it is, they look pretty happy for two people who were just talking about breaking up on ET and Jon walking out on her in the interview.

In that ET interview, Mary Hart asked them something about the papparazzi or being in the tabloids or something and Jon said "Well, I understand for me it's good for marketability, but Hailey doesn't need that." Marketability for what is what I want to know? What is Jon trying to "market" himself for?

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Interesting justification, considering she filed for divorce in June.

Sorry for my mistake. June.

No, she never did -- it is one of the great mysteries of our time.

On a morning interview she did about a month ago, Kate alluded to going ahead and filing because Jon withdrew a large sum of cash in JUNE.