Exactly what I thought! I guess she wanted her payout.
Out of all the things Kate has said or not said about Jon, she has never hinted that he's abusive.
You're right -- I'm pretty sure Kate, or one of her lawyers, would have at least hinted at that by now (especially after the Chris Cuomo interview where Jon said he was abused)
No further statements to the press, ET, The Insider, fence interviews or paps on the property. NO COMMENT 24/7.
Jon buys a house closer to the kids and gets the dogs back. 
This would work for me. But I would allow him to make comments on anything but the marriage/divorce, or to defend Kate when she is unjustly criticized (like with the Leno skit). Also, no talking about the reactions of the kids ala Kate. But I would let him continue with the Rabbi Shmuley stuff if it's no worse than the time he asked the question at the synogogue.
We all seem to agree Jon is crazy ...we do not agree why.
Could Kate have been dealing with this Jon when all this went down? For the sake of augment it was Oct to Jan (or what ever date you like) when it seems the marriage was in real trouble
Does it make her less the villain in anyone's eyes if she was dealing with this crazy Jon?
The big question in my mind is did Kate end it in Oct 2008 & why.
I don't agree -- but I could easily say he lost his direction after Kate filed for divorce. But IMO sometimes people turn out better in the long run when they go through something like this -- it makes them re-focus on their priorities.
Her mother said all this over a month ago and Jon is still around! Can't they come up with any new material? When did Jon and Hailey break up?
I think they were on "a break" mid-summer. That always reminds me of "Friends"-- when Ross and Rachel were on "a break" -- they eventually broke up too.
I can see why you would have the opinion.
I simply cannot agree. I have watched the show for years and I do know of the dynamics change of which you speak.
But too many things that Jon did--are not characteristic things that an abuse victim does. It would be something someone who's getting sick of being bossed around---but not a victim. ("Stick out of your...." His reaction to the Toys R Us incident--don't blame him....but not what a victim does. His little jabs at Kate that she will later see on the show.)
Victims learn to conceal their feelings and hide them...otherwise it will get worse. Sure her behavior got worse--but Jon does not regress like a victim.
And far too much editing for us to say with certainty, that Jon was not party to this escalation.
Abuse victims also don't have public interviews crying abuse (Hailee) while they are still enduring the abuse.
It just doesn't happen.
But I doubt we've witnessed any abuse. Lots of mistreatment--but none that fit "abuse".
***I'm not challenging you---but clarifying my position.
You do realize that that was 1 comment Jon made on 1 show way back in Season 2? And how many times did Kate do exactly what Jon requested she not do to him after the Toys R Us episode? That to me was the big issue -- no matter how many times Jon told Kate something bothered him, it made no difference. Sometimes she laughed at him for bringing it up.
What bothers me even more is that she did this in front of the kids. What is that teaching them? It also bothers me that Jon did little to put an end to that behaviour civilly. So between them, it's as if they're either teaching their kids to be bullies, or teaching them that there is nothing you can do to stop a bully. It probably has had a huge effect on the way the kids treat each other, aside from the fact that neither parent seems to want to stop the kids when they are aggressive with each other.
I can see Kate's behaviour as "abusive" without thinking of her as an abuser. She may not understand, believe, or even care that her behaviour was hurting Jon, but I never thought that she was like that to him just to own him (as a true abuser would).
I don't think Jon was "abused" during his marriage, but he was definitely "controlled".. There is no getting around the fact that Kate is - for lack of a better phrase - a "control freak"..
The behavior we're seeing from Jon now (not condoning it at all) is someone going totally wild after they are no longer under the thumb of the "controller".. Hopefully it will be short lived and his rebellion will come to a halt..
This is so typical -- although IMO the steady girlfriend part is not (unless the man left his wife for that girlfriend)
I was thinking more that she's immature and he doesn't like that. And of course his stress level I Am sure is through the roof and the worst of Hailee's concerns would be which Jimmy Choos will go with her Prada purse.
This I do agree with.
I'm not sure what I believe really went down. One of the big pieces in the puzzle for me is the timing of purchase of the house. They came home from Hawaii in August, and they moved into the new house before Christmas (late November?). That's a span of about 3 months (give or take a week) between when they got home and bought the house. Closing typically take 45 days. So in my mind, they were house hunting before things went south in the relationship. Allegedly, when the family moved to the new house, Jon went straight to living in the apartment over the garage. If that is true, then I believe the marriage was in trouble in October. Was it started by Kate? Maybe. We'll never know.
I don't think Jon was behaving this erratically last year, at the time of the move.
I also can't help but wonder if TLC has any involvement with the purchase of the house... not that it has anything to do with anything, but I'm curious about that.
Does it make her less of a villian to me if Jon was behaving this way? No. The reasons I don't care for Kate have little or nothing to do with her relationship with Jon.
Same here.
We must be right then.
