Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread--Part 7

[madge]

Just pointing out that there is not necessarily the schedule conflict that you believe there is.

I don't know that anyone believes there's a schedule conflict. Just a conversation about whether or not Kate will appear in court or make the scheduled appearance at the California event.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Thanks to the DIS, I learned what a "horrible" mom I had. She rarely played with us. We had our game nights and stuff, but when I came home from school I eitehr went to my room and played with my barbies and played records or I was outside playing until dinner time or playing with friends. And that's the way I liked it. I dated a guy who had a kid and he needed constant attention from an adult. "watch me do this. watch me do that." I just found that to be very needy and not very independent.

When I see J&K not hovering and just letting the kids do their thing. I find it refreshing.

Mothers didn't play with children when I was a child, my mother didn't nor any of my friends mothers. They were too busy working and being a mom, I had my own friends and didn't even think about it.

Today we see kids that don't know what to do by themselves. They are lost if they are not being entertained by someone. I saw this in my own children when they were younger as we spent a great deal of time playing with them.

I wonder if the paps shout stuff to Jon & Kate when the children are with them, like they do when they're alone.

They certainly didn't have a problem snapping all those pics of the kids when Jon invited the paps along on the twins birthday, though I think it comes and goes where the children are concerned. They're not old enough to be out (and followed) on their own, but I also think that the paps wouldn't turn down a chance for a shot if it presented itself.

Yes, they shout to J & K no matter what. I have seen them do it many times and even on the twins birthday. They are pond scum, IMO.

I wonder how that will all play out... how important is it for her to be in court, regardless of whether or not she's required to do so?

Maybe she can arrange to do both. Court will most likely be first thing in the morning, does anyone know what time the conference starts?

 

[madge]

To be fair to the paparazzi and the rest of the media, it really didn't seem like life at home was any different than life on the show -- it really didn't look like there was a story there (and it's the best kind of story -- one where they can prove that things really are not as they seem). So, until it all started to unravel, there was nobody covering the behind-the-scenes aspect of their lives.

Maybe things are different now -- maybe they're not.

there were a few behind the scenes articles written about the Gosselins before the tabloids took over in March, and there was Julie's blog. until things started leaking about Jon's extracurricular activities ... you're right, the show was the behind the scenes glimpse at their life.

 

[madge]

Kate is in LA.

Jon is with the children .... and Kevin and Jodi visited them yesterday.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/jon-gosselin-reconciles-kates-estranged-brother

 

[kidshop]

Kate is in LA.

Jon is with the children .... and Kevin and Jodi visited them yesterday.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/jon-gosselin-reconciles-kates-estranged-brother

I don't even care if it is a stunt! Those kids loved Jodi!

 

[DMRick]

Kate is in LA.

Jon is with the children .... and Kevin and Jodi visited them yesterday.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/jon-gosselin-reconciles-kates-estranged-brother

I don't even know what to say about that. With them going on TV and saying what they did against Kate (and Jon, sicne at the time he had no problems with their kits on TV), I would have rather they worked it out with Kate..since it is her brother. I can't imagine good feelings can come from this. They'll just have more amunition to talk about.
I think it would have been better to wait until the dust settled. The older kids have to know there are hard feelings and may have to feel they have to chose sides between their uncle and aunt and their mom.

 

[kidshop]

I don't even know what to say about that. With them going on TV and saying what they did against Kate (and Jon, sicne at the time he had no problems with their kits on TV), I would have rather they worked it out with Kate..since it is her brother. I can't imagine good feelings can come from this. They'll just have more amunition to talk about.
I think it would have been better to wait until the dust settled. The older kids have to know there are hard feelings and may have to feel they have to chose sides between their uncle and aunt and their mom.

Do you think Kate would be willing to work it out with them? Maybe they would like to be in the kids lives before they are 18. Family is imporant and the only one who would make the kids choose sides would be IMO, Kate. Adults can generally work stuff like this out for the sake of the kids, so they can have as many adults who love them in their life as possible. This is about the kids and what is best for them not Kate.

Jon did not have nice things to say about Jodi either, but he seems to be able to admit when he is wrong, admit making mistakes and try to do better.

 

[madge]

I would have rather they worked it out with Kate..since it is her brother. I can't imagine good feelings can come from this. They'll just have more amunition to talk about.
I think it would have been better to wait until the dust settled. The older kids have to know there are hard feelings and may have to feel they have to chose sides between their uncle and aunt and their mom.

While I think it's safe to assume that Kate is/was unaware of this visit, maybe she knew. Maybe she & Kevin have cleared the air or reached an understanding that they could visit if she wasn't home.

Or maybe they didn't... and this may create more problems.

Jodi sure looked happy to be there, though... and like Kidshop, I'm glad that they're able to see the kids. I'm hesitant to go much further than that.

One thing I think is interesting ... there have been several family members at the house when Jon is staying at the house. His mother, brother, Kate's brother ... and those are just ones we know of. Whether that has always been the way and we're just being made aware of it now, I am not sure that it matters. What we're seeing is that the children do, in fact, see their extended family from time to time. And that's a good thing. I hope there are many more around that the media doesn't tell us about, as well!

 

[DMRick]

Hmm..I wonder if Jon is starting to get a custody battle going, and thought it wise to align with these two.
I know the kids love them..but in thinking of the kids, do they need more confusion thrown into their lives? Think if this was your family, your ex-husband bringing in your family that is against you..would you want one more thing for your children to have to try and figure out? If it was Jon's brother, it would be a no brainer for me, but since it's Kate's brother and the twins have to have some thoughts as to what went on, how would this be comforting to them? I don't know..I just have a bad feeling about it.

 

[DMRick]

I have no idea if he's admiting he's wrong or lining up sides.

Family is important, but not if the kids get hurt in the long run. This couple went on national TV saying what bad parents J & K were, even though they thought they were OK when they were on the show. It had to cause some very hurt feelings. The kids love their mom, and I can't say this is something I would put them through at this time. If they have any idea of went they said about their parents, they are the ones who may feel they have to choose, or feel guilty for loving their aunt and uncle. Kids are funny little things, even if they have no reason to feel guilty, they may. I don't think this is helpful to the kids or K & J. We'll definately have to agree to disagree on this.

We have no idea if, once the dust settles, if Kate and her family would heal. I think this will certainly put them back a few steps. Jon had to know that.

Do you think Kate would be willing to work it out with them? Maybe they would like to be in the kids lives before they are 18. Family is imporant and the only one who would make the kids choose sides would be IMO, Kate. Adults can generally work stuff like this out for the sake of the kids, so they can have as many adults who love them in their life as possible. This is about the kids and what is best for them not Kate.

Jon did not have nice things to say about Jodi either, but he seems to be able to admit when he is wrong, admit making mistakes and try to do better.

 

[madge]

Hmm..I wonder if Jon is starting to get a custody battle going, and thought it wise to align with these two.
I know the kids love them..but in thinking of the kids, do they need more confusion thrown into their lives? Think if this was your family, your ex-husband bringing in your family that is against you..would you want one more thing for your children to have to try and figure out? If it was Jon's brother, it would be a no brainer for me, but since it's Kate's brother and the twins have to have some thoughts as to what went on, how would this be comforting to them? I don't know..I just have a bad feeling about it.

didn't Kevin & Jodi have pretty harsh things to say about Jon, too? I know that they revealed some of Jon's claims (of the marriage being over, etc) in one of their interviews ... but weren't they also critical of him for not ending the show? I didn't watch all of their interview on RadarOnline.

 

[newtodis]

Jodi sure looked happy to be there, though... and like Kidshop, I'm glad that they're able to see the kids. I'm hesitant to go much further than that.

What we're seeing is that the children do, in fact, see their extended family from time to time. And that's a good thing. I hope there are many more around that the media doesn't tell us about, as well!

I agree with you! I'm glad they're able to spend time with family and friends. I hope it's not with alterior motives on either side but only time will tell with that.

 

[DMRick]

... but weren't they also critical of him for not ending the show? I didn't watch all of their interview on RadarOnline.

Yes they did, and Jon has commented on that and disagreed with them. Either he really changed his mind, or the custody case is building. I'm sure both sides are seeing what they can do to make them look like the best. I just hope they remember the kids are in the middle.

And who knows..maybe Kate knows about it.

 

[madge]

I do love me some Z on TV ...

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/10/kate_gosselin_tlc_answers_ques.html

 

[KathyTX]

We get more reports of rude and attacking behavior on this thread than any other on the whole site. And we delete a lot of rude posts here.

What is it about a family on a television show that brings out the urge in several people here to be rude to one another?

Because this show/subject seems to inspire such frequent rude behavior, I'm *very* close to simply closing this topic and not permitting it to be restarted.

 

[kidshop]

We get more reports of rude and attacking behavior on this thread than any other on the whole site. And we delete a lot of rude posts here.

What is it about a family on a television show that brings out the urge in several people here to be rude to one another?

Because this show/subject seems to inspire such frequent rude behavior, I'm *very* close to simply closing this topic and not permitting it to be restarted.

It's a shame, but the thread being closed would probably make some people very happy! I will miss you guys if it gets closed. I have enjoyed hearing everyone's opinion and debating with all different viewpoints.

 

[DMRick]

It's a shame, but the thread being closed would probably make some people very happy!

I don't know who would be happy (other than Kathy) to have it closed. I too enjoy most opinions and would miss everyone. Heck, a couple of times kidshop, we have even agreed LOL! It would be nice though, if we all watch the personal attacks, so it doesn't happen.

 

[madge]

We get more reports of rude and attacking behavior on this thread than any other on the whole site. And we delete a lot of rude posts here.

What is it about a family on a television show that brings out the urge in several people here to be rude to one another?

Because this show/subject seems to inspire such frequent rude behavior, I'm *very* close to simply closing this topic and not permitting it to be restarted.

I'll be bummed if this thread is closed.... we've made it through thousands of posts without that happening ...

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't know that anyone believes there's a schedule conflict. Just a conversation about whether or not Kate will appear in court or make the scheduled appearance at the California event.

I misunderstood then. My apologies.

I think she'd rather be adored by fans at a speaking engagement than abhorred by Jon in a courtroom. Just sayin'.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I don't even care if it is a stunt! Those kids loved Jodi!

Too bad she didn't love them enough to handle her issues with those two privately.


What is good for the goose is good for the gander.